Hackett

[Lupz27]

This is a A Rodgers trade or bust signing no?  I mean he doesn’t work with any other QB as we just saw him turn a HOF QB into mush.

[GangGreened]

It’s a bad hire

[TommyT]

Great hire, I am 70% sure.

[JetsAddict]

The guy kind of reminds me of Gase. He excelled grabbing coffee for Aaron Rodgers. 

[JetsFanatic]

17 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

It’s a bad hire

Thats as HC not OC

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

23 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

It’s a bad hire

[NIGHT STALKER]

2 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Thats as HC not OC

Yep, as OC for AR, Packers were 13-3 ('19), 13-3 ('20) and 13-4 ('21).  

[Larz]

[jetsons]

1 minute ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Again???... That's been most of this organization's existence.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

3 minutes ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

Yep, as OC for AR, Packers were 13-3 ('19), 13-3 ('20) and 13-4 ('21).  

he never called a play in GB

[Barry McCockinner]

These are all the years he was an OC or HC.

year	team	dvoa	ppg	ypg
2013	bills	25	22	19
2014	bills	26	18	26
2016	jags	27	25	23
2017	jags	15	5	6
2018	jags	30	31	27
2019	packers	8	15	17
2020	packers	1	1	9
2021	packers	2	10	10
2022	broncos	29	32	21

^ linked to roster of each team above

• 5 of 9 years with bottom 10 dvoa
• 3 of 9 years with top 10 dvoa - all with Aaron Rodgers
• even split of top 10, bottom 10, middle of the pack ppg & ypg 
• 2018 Packers were 7th in dvoa, 12th in ypg, 14th in ppg

Seems like a guy you can trust to steer the ship and maybe even elevate a good offensive roster w/a good QB but probably isn't going to elevate an average or below average roster w/avg -> below avg qb.

Hopefully the broncos debacle had more to do with him being clueless as a head coach.

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

These are all the years he was an OC or HC.

year	team	dvoa	ppg	ypg
2013	bills	25	22	19
2014	bills	26	18	26
2016	jags	27	25	23
2017	jags	15	5	6
2018	jags	30	31	27
2019	packers	8	15	17
2020	packers	1	1	9
2021	packers	2	10	10
2022	broncos	29	32	21

^ linked to roster of each team above

• 5 of 9 years with bottom 10 dvoa
• 3 of 9 years with top 10 dvoa - all with Aaron Rodgers
• even split of top 10, bottom 10, middle of the pack ppg & ypg 
• 2018 Packers were 7th in dvoa, 12th in ypg, 14th in ppg

Seems like a guy you can trust to steer the ship and maybe even elevate a good offensive roster w/a good QB but probably isn't going to elevate an average or below average roster w/avg -> below avg qb.

Hopefully the broncos debacle had more to do with him being clueless as a head coach.

Jags QB 2016,17 and 18 was Blake Bortles.  

Bills QBs in 2013/14 were EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton.

Maybe he needs Aaron Rodgers to succeed or maybe he just needs a QB that isn't absolute garbage. 

 

[Paradis]

@mods we need a subforum for ppl who wake up at 7pm

[Barry McCockinner]

 

[bgivs21]

44 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

This is a A Rodgers trade or bust signing no?  I mean he doesn’t work with any other QB as we just saw him turn a HOF QB into mush.

Not a fan of the hire. But let's be real, he didn't turn Russell Wilson into mush, Wilson was already a steaming pile of mush, that's why the Seachickens got rid of him

[Hex]

39 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

It’s a bad hire

1) That’s as an HC, not an OC.

2) The Broncos only played 2 games without him, and not exactly against a murderer’s row of defenses. Chiefs always play in shootouts and Chargers are mediocre. That’s not a great metric as it compares 15 games to 2

[Hex]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

Did Connor Hughes actually say something both interesting and not Douchy at once?

[undertow]

I'm thouroughly enjoying people falling over themselves over Nate Hacket...It's going to age about as well as gaslighting about Zach Wilsons playing well throwing 150 yards and Adam Gase being a offensive genius.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

6 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

He took the job because his nfl coaching career was effectively all but over. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

34 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Thats as HC not OC

He called the plays for Denver in 2022.

[JETS SB]

Blake Bortles and the Jags went to an AFC Championship game with Hackett as the OC. Yeah having Aaron Rodgers would be great, but I am not judging him for his Broncos disaster. That wasn’t all him. Russell Wilson is terrible. And he isn’t coming here to run the team. Don’t downplay the Keith Carter hire. Two experienced offensive coaches. Imagine. 

[Barry McCockinner]

9 minutes ago, undertow said:

I'm thouroughly enjoying people falling over themselves over Nate Hacket...It's going to age about as well as gaslighting about Zach Wilsons playing well throwing 150 yards and Adam Gase being a offensive genius.

Where are these people? I don't see any 8n this thread?

[Embrace the Suck]

13 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

That's actually a pretty interesting point. He could have taken time off, and still collected a hefty sum. Instead he signed for a position that isn't exactly the apple of most's eye. For the first time in a long time the Jets have talent on offense, but are uncertain at QB, and in the end it's still the Jets until they earn / deserve a better rep as a team / org.

[Mogglez]

41 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

It’s a bad hire

I don’t even love the Hackett hire without Rodgers being a guarantee but, having said that, I’m not ignorant enough to ignore the fact that being a HC, with all the extra responsibilities, is massive different between being a coordinator focused on one single objective.  

Also, that “surge” is heavily skewed by the small sample size.  The Broncos played the Chiefs two weeks before he was fired and dropped 28 points, 4 more points than they did in the game post-firing.  The last game of the year the Chargers kinda half-assed it, even though they sorta-kinda played their starters for a lot of the game, because they had absolutely nothing to play for, but didn’t want to rest anyone.  Season long issues never fall one person, and they are never fixed by firing one person.

[defensedoesntgetyoulaid]

Hall better heal well because Hackett loves to run, especially on 3rd and 7

[Dunnie]

Hall better heal well because Hackett loves to run, especially on 3rd and 7

BAM is salivating too

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[Paradis]

51 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

that’s a flashy editorial narrative that Connor has going, and there very well may be some reasonable common sense to it… But it doesn’t check out as bulletproof. You don’t stay relevant forever in this business. For some there’s a very short window to maximize your income. Yes you want to make smart choices about where you work and who you work with, but after going down in flames in Denver, the opportunity to pocket a fat seven-figure salary again (double your income) is not something you shrug off flippantly in the manner that Connor is suggesting. Any financial advisor would say take the money while it’s being offered

[HighPitch]

Jet fans: enough with these first year coaches with no experience!

also jet fans: what… he has a lot of experience at that position? BAD HIRE!!!!

[HighPitch]

If you guys think russel became crap overnight because of hacket then i have a bridge to sell

[Beerfish]

6 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

If you guys think russel became crap overnight because of hacket then i have a bridge to sell

The issue is Rodgers is on that same path.  The same signs that wilson displayed his last year in seattle.

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

If I understand coaches salaries he gets the OC salary from NYJ then the rest of it he's owned from the broncos. He's not really turning down any money he's either choosing to work or not 

[Facts]

1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

he never called a play in GB

Wait, seriously?

bahahahahhahahahaha

[JetsAddict]

56 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

That's actually a pretty interesting point. He could have taken time off, and still collected a hefty sum. Instead he signed for a position that isn't exactly the apple of most's eye. For the first time in a long time the Jets have talent on offense, but are uncertain at QB, and in the end it's still the Jets until they earn / deserve a better rep as a team / org.

He’s also very close to Saleh and Matt LaFleur. Probably took the job because nobody else wanted it and he felt bad for his friend. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

23 minutes ago, Paradis said:

that’s a flashy editorial narrative that Connor has going, and there very well may be some reasonable common sense to it… But it doesn’t check out as bulletproof. You don’t stay relevant forever in this business. For some there’s a very short window to maximize your income. Yes you want to make smart choices about where you work and who you work with, but after going down in flames in Denver, the opportunity to pocket a fat seven-figure salary again (double your income) is not something you shrug off flippantly in the manner that Connor is suggesting. Any financial advisor would say take the money while it’s being offered

Except, that's not how NFL coaching Contracts generally work. 

Hackett isn't making any more, or less money, by taking the Jets job. Any money  he makes from the Jets just reduces the amount the Broncos have to pay him. So if he was set to get 4 million from the Broncos this year and the Jets give him 1 million a year, the Broncos only have to give him 3 million a year. https://www.outkick.com/broncos-fire-coach-nathaniel-hackett/ From the Article "Hackett signed a four-year deal with the Broncos in January and will be paid the entire contract if he doesn’t land another job. If he returns to the NFL in another capacity, he’ll get paid for that work from his new employer and the Broncos will make up the difference to pay his head coach salary.

So he is literally making zero dollars and zero cents to work for the Jets this year when he could have, ala Kliff Kingsbury, just moved to Thailand and collected a monster contract for a year or two without having to work. 

So we go back to motivation. What is his motivation to sign with the Jets if it isn't the money?  I assume to prove that he is still a good OC. Well, do you risk that without some assurances that the Team will sign/trade for a really good QB? It would be idiotic to to do so if your QBs are Zach Wilson, Mike White and Jacoby Brissett. He'd be better off using the next 3 years to find a softer landing spot than the Jets. 

[Darnold's Forehead]

1 hour ago, Hex said:

Did Connor Hughes actually say something both interesting and not Douchy at once?

idk "discount double-check this" still kinda douchy...