56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said: Blaming LaFleur for the overdrafted mistake that is Zach Wilson is like blaming a fish for not being able to fly. His offense looked like crap with no creativity the last couple weeks with the season on the line , games with ZW sitting in street clothes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, TommyT said: Rodgers is a means to a beginning. If we want stability, we must get a long term answer at the qb spot. As much as I dislike Zach, having Rodgers mentor him is our Hail Mary. Or if it fails a means to an end or the nteenth rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: ???? The jets had 309 and 279 yards in Mike white’s final two starts, respectively. They scored 18 total points in those two games. But remember when he once beat the Bengals in 2021 or the mighty Bears this season. Most over hyped Jet QB since Tebow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Titan24 said: Correct, but seems like Woody is ready to shell out big $$$. If it’s Rodgers he will have to cut a roster bonus check of $60 mil this year. That’s a lot of scratch. If that happens would have to give him credit. I don't get this cheap narrative. There's a salary cap in the NFL Woody and the Jets have never balked at spending to the cap. How they manage the cap $$ is the GM and FO purview. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: an historic Lady Mountbatten over here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 52 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Yeah, if there was one hallmark of that Broncos team, it was how much fun Jerry Jeudy and Cortland Sutton were having playing in Hackett’s offense. Didn't help that Russ couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. You would think Jet fans watching ZW could recognize that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, TommyT said: Rodgers is a means to a beginning. If we want stability, we must get a long term answer at the qb spot. As much as I dislike Zach, having Rodgers mentor him is our Hail Mary. EXACTLY !!! THIS !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 46 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Wins against Mark Rypien, Skylar Thompson (and a loss), Brissett in a miracle, Simien, Trubisky/Pickett. Lost 6 in a row to finish the season. The Jets are not a QB away. Douglas 3 year rebuild did not work. It’s ok. What’s not OK is not recognizing there needs to be a reset with a new voice picking players. The entire offensive line needs to be revamped and we’re likely looking at AVT playing tackle. There’s still no edge rusher either. Not exactly promising heading into next season off of a 6 game skid. I agree they are not a QB away but this team has vastly more talent than even 2 years ago. Let jd finish the build before rebooting again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Taking this job in itself is a good opportunity to get your foot in the door, and if Saleh was to be fired, you have a leg up on the Head Coaching Job. Any reports to not wanting this job due to fear of a lame duck coach and GM are absolutely silly. There are 32 jobs. That's it. Hold off to save face , you might just get passed by during the next cycle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 46 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: Also worth noting that Bevel and Brady are not taking interviews with any team. Shhh don't ruin the narrative. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, Dunnie said: EXACTLY !!! THIS !!!! Who are the other QBs Aaron Rodgers has mentored and gone on to have successful NFL careers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, hawk said: Taking this job in itself is a good opportunity to get your foot in the door, and if Saleh was to be fired, you have a leg up on the Head Coaching Job. Any reports to not wanting this job due to fear of a lame duck coach and GM are absolutely silly. There are 32 jobs. That's it. Hold off to save face , you might just get passed by during the next cycle. On the flip side, if you’re a young upcoming coordinator and there are an unprecedented number of OC jobs available, why would you take the one without a QB and the GM and HC under pressure to save their jobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Who are the other QBs Aaron Rodgers has mentored and gone on to have successful NFL careers? Exactly the narrative that Rodgers is going to mentor ZW is a bigger stretch than him coming here. I want to see ZW given a chance under competent mentorship but if the Jets are relying on AR for that they are wasting their money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 According to a report I read, They spoke to 15 people. Not sure what level of “official “ those discussions were. Hackett could have sat out a year or more so it was going to take some selling to get him unless it was a perfect situation. Honestly I thought they might get 5 people to come in and they would have to settle for a total no name long shot. Hackett fits the profile of what they were looking for. The jets didn’t take no for an answer. the senior assistant and the QB coach will matter too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 10 hours ago, BurntDice said: What does woody have to do with anything? No crap he’s clueless when it comes to the nfl (all other owners are too) he actually acknowledged that with hiring a 3p agency to help him search for gms. Most owners don’t do that We've seen this situation time and time again with the Jets putting themselves in stupid situations that are failures before they're even made. It's transcended multiple coaches and GMs. The common denominator is Woody. So to answer your question; it has everything to do with Woody. The coaches and front office can all be fired and nothing will change. Woody is and always has been the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 51 minutes ago, jetswin said: im not buying this sourceless bs. another guy trying to make a name for himself by bashing the Jets. Another thing I'm not a fan of the Hacker Jr. hiring but how can the supposed fact that Saleh was able to convince him to take the job not be looked at as a positive for the team in that they got the guy the wanted? You have to admit, the story sounds like one we've all seen before with this org. P.S. - Good to see you on here, j-dub. I hope you're doing well. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswin Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, sourceworx said: You have to admit, the story sounds like one we've all seen before with this org. P.S. - Good to see you on here, j-dub. I hope you're doing well. ? thanks source! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 11 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: They were finding an OC not HC. Having a massive hole at QB is kind of off putting for the guy who has to run the offense no? Until and unless you promised a certain candidate that he would be coaching Aaron Rodgers... again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 26 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Exactly the narrative that Rodgers is going to mentor ZW is a bigger stretch than him coming here. I want to see ZW given a chance under competent mentorship but if the Jets are relying on AR for that they are wasting their money. they wouldn't be expecting Aaron Rodgers to provide any "mentorship" to Wilson. If or when Woody opens the vault for Aaron Rodgers, there are several reasons: Win games. Sell tickets. Make Playoffs. Sell tickets, Advance to Superbowl. Sell tickets. Start Zach Wilson: STH cancel subscription. Less attractive ticket sales market. Triple the empty seats already there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: The difference is he’d just won another MVP award. I can’t recall that ever happening, where a player was traded after being voted NFL MVP the prior two seasons. That's a good point. Why did everybody think he was going to move then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 12 hours ago, doitny said: we won those 7 games WITH a backup QB. Wilson, White and Flacco are not NFL starters. so backup vs backup we did pretty well. means our roster except the QB position is pretty good. The one non-backup is the guy most everyone on this site is now begging JD to break the bank for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 58 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Who are the other QBs Aaron Rodgers has mentored and gone on to have successful NFL careers? Oh .. dont get me wrong any veteran QB is NOT going mentor anyone ... you could think of them as a resource to watch and learn from ... no ... especially Aaron ...he is not going to mentor anyone. Brady wouldn't either. TBH they shouldnt be expected to ... this is a job ..not a nursery school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 12 hours ago, Matt39 said: No one wanted the job because the roster stinks. 7 wins against backup quarterbacks doesn’t move the needle. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I like Zack Blatt but he (and the rest of the beat) seemed very out of the loop during this process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Oh .. dont get me wrong any veteran QB is NOT going mentor anyone ... you could think of them as a resource to watch and learn from ... no ... especially Aaron ...he is not going to mentor anyone. Brady wouldn't either. TBH they shouldnt be expected to ... this is a job ..not a nursery school. Exactly, that is what you pay offensive assistants and QB coaches for. It's not like a Sanchez/Brunell situation where Brunell was happy to hold the clipboard and mentor MS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: We've seen this situation time and time again with the Jets putting themselves in stupid situations that are failures before they're even made. It's transcended multiple coaches and GMs. The common denominator is Woody. So to answer your question; it has everything to do with Woody. The coaches and front office can all be fired and nothing will change. Woody is and always has been the problem. Are you saying that woody hand picked Hackett? You guys must bring him in!!! What franchise altering things do you put sole blame on woody? This blaming the owner thing people preach is so ridiculous. All fanbases do this it isn’t exclusive to this one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said: If it were up to Saleh, LaFleur would still be here. This is all Woody/JD. Damn shame - he’s probably the best OC we’ve had since I became a fan in ‘99, but Zach Wilson ruined it and the owner and GM needed a escapegoat. The players hated his ass. They know suck when they see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Green Ghost said: On the flip side, if you’re a young upcoming coordinator and there are an unprecedented number of OC jobs available, why would you take the one without a QB and the GM and HC under pressure to save their jobs? There will always be up and comers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 39 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Are you saying that woody hand picked Hackett? You guys must bring him in!!! What franchise altering things do you put sole blame on woody? This blaming the owner thing people preach is so ridiculous. All fanbases do this it isn’t exclusive to this one No I'm not saying he picked Hackett. I'm saying he created the no-win situation that forced Saleh to settle for Hackett because no one else wanted the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, sourceworx said: No I'm not saying he picked Hackett. I'm saying he created the no-win situation that forced Saleh to settle for Hackett because no one else wanted the job. Which was? I’m assuming you are thinking playoffs or fired. Many of the fans here were calling for heads to roll last season. Fire Ulbrick!! Woody and the jets in general have been fairly patient with giving coaches/gms time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Those guys probably didn’t want the job because it’s a lateral move. It’s not like a qb coach moving up to coordinator or a fired head coach moving down. Delete Pete took a coordinators job after he was launched by the jets and then a college job when he was launched by the patsies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: Yeah, if there was one hallmark of that Broncos team, it was how much fun Jerry Jeudy and Cortland Sutton were having playing in Hackett’s offense. You’re probably right. Barring us getting Rodgers, I think this was a bad decision and the whole staff, along with Douglas are getting fired by this time next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, More Cowbell said: I still can't understand how anyone judges MLF with a QB as bad as Zach. Because he had Mike White and Joe Flacco who, while not being great, were legends compared to Zach, and he couldn’t score a single touchdown with 3 games to go and the season on the line. Also, like I said, the players still hated his abrasive and egotistical approach to coaching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 9 minutes ago, Mogglez said: You’re probably right. Barring us getting Rodgers, I think this was a bad decision and the whole staff, along with Douglas are getting fired by this time next year. Honestly, if they’re firing people to placate Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore, they should be right behind them out the door. Getting pushed around by a rookie is unconscionable, no matter how talented that rookie might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 If you can't look a man in the eye and tell him what he's doing wrong, you probably shouldn't be the offensive coordinator. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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