Interesting nuggets from Rosenblatt on Jets OC search

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, nj meadowlands said:

LOL

The Jets didn’t lose 6 games to end the season apparently.  We have the most delusional fanbase in sports.

[Mogglez]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Honestly, if they’re firing people to placate Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore, they should be right behind them out the door. Getting pushed around by a rookie is unconscionable, no matter how talented that rookie might be. 

The problem with that is doing things to piss off young and talented players that we drafted, just so Robert Saleh can employ his best friend’s little brother, who was/is clearly in over his head, is a sure fire way to further damage our already “stellar” reputation amongst players around the league, almost ensuring that we only get free agents who are of the Trumaine Johnson-esque ilk.

[dbatesman]

23 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Honestly, if they’re firing people to placate Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore, they should be right behind them out the door. Getting pushed around by a rookie is unconscionable, no matter how talented that rookie might be. 

I was iffy on firing LaFleur for a lot of reasons, but this is a pretty stark way of putting it. If what Mogglez and FG say is true, LaFleur wasn’t doing any actual coaching; he just spent every week holed up in his office drawing up plays on his giant monitor. 

[NYJCAP2]

4 hours ago, Titan24 said:

Correct, but seems like Woody is ready to shell out big $$$.  If it’s Rodgers he will have to cut a roster bonus check of $60 mil this year. That’s a lot of scratch. If that happens would have to give him credit.

It’s a salary cap league, i don’t think the owner should be getting any credit for paying bonus money up front.

His cash flows will grow with Rodgers anyway.

[peekskill68]

3 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

Who are the other QBs Aaron Rodgers has mentored and gone on to have successful NFL careers?

I'm not sure this is being looked at properly.  I would consider sitting in the QB room with a guy like Rodgers, seeing how he prepares, listening to how he and the coaches review tape, practicing side-by-side, watching his game management, etc.  would all be positive learning experiences.  This is whether Rodgers spends any one-on-one time with a young QB or not.  Maybe a guy like Matt Flynn wouldn't have been good enough to even make an NFL roster without studying how Rodgers does things.  Who knows?

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

I was iffy on firing LaFleur for a lot of reasons, but this is a pretty stark way of putting it. If what Mogglez and FG say is true, LaFleur wasn’t doing any actual coaching; he just spent every week holed up in his office drawing up plays on his giant monitor. 

Honestly, I think it’s bullsh*t. If LaFleur was as disconnected as these guys are saying, you’d see a million false start and illegal formation, pre-snap penalties. This narrative that LaFleur is a big meanie has to be in reference to him trying to get Wilson, Mims, and Moore to do their jobs at a fundamental level. The team is mentally soft from the top down, and I’m sure LaFleur was overcompensating because he wants to be a head coach ASAP, but this idea that he was locked in a room hiding from his players is a bit much

[32EBoozer]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Honestly, I think it’s bullsh*t

So glad Joaquin Phoenix face is gone!

[greenwichjetfan]

8 hours ago, Mogglez said:

LeFleur isn’t gone because of Zach Wilson; he’s gone because the players, particularly the WRs, f*cking hated him, in addition to the fact that he sucked at calling plays over the course of a game.  

The dude may learn and change under McVay, but that doesn’t mean for one second that he didn’t earn his firing.

I don’t think anyone is saying LaFleur was without his faults. He was a first time OC.

What we were saying even before the firing is that he was our best option. That he just got hired to Sean McVay’s staff while we just hired Paul Hackett’s son coming fresh off of being fired in less than one season for turning a borderline HoF QB into garbage on a pretty loaded offense should cement that.

Obviously if Hackett is just a step towards getting ARod comfortable here, then fantastic. Anything short of that makes the LaFleur firing a desperate and insecure attempt for JD’s self preservation.

[Mogglez]

22 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I don’t think anyone is saying LaFleur was without his faults. He was a first time OC.

What we were saying even before the firing is that he was our best option. That he just got hired to Sean McVay’s staff while we just hired Paul Hackett’s son coming fresh off of being fired in less than one season for turning a borderline HoF QB into garbage on a pretty loaded offense should cement that.

Obviously if Hackett is just a step towards getting ARod comfortable here, then fantastic. Anything short of that makes the LaFleur firing a desperate and insecure attempt for JD’s self preservation.

I get what you’re saying, but the LaFleurs and McVay are good friends, so him joining McVay is not surprising, nor is it indicative of anything.  Brian Schottenheimer was immediately picked up after we fired him too.  That doesn’t mean firing him wasn’t the right choice.  What sucks is that our success probably hinges on Rodgers, whereas Mike just have to fetch Sean a few cups of Gatorade on Sundays and reap the rewards of his play calling.  If we suck (and I anticipate that we will unless Aaron is our QB) it’s going to be insufferable to hear some of the takes.

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Honestly, I think it’s bullsh*t. If LaFleur was as disconnected as these guys are saying, you’d see a million false start and illegal formation, pre-snap penalties. This narrative that LaFleur is a big meanie has to be in reference to him trying to get Wilson, Mims, and Moore to do their jobs at a fundamental level. The team is mentally soft from the top down, and I’m sure LaFleur was overcompensating because he wants to be a head coach ASAP, but this idea that he was locked in a room hiding from his players is a bit much

You can not believe it all you want, but I’ve heard it, FG heard it, Pauline heard it, Connor Hughes heard it, and Zack Rosenblatt heard it.

Dude has the personality and connection skills of a cactus.

[Zachtomims47]

4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

You can not believe it all you want, but I’ve heard it, FG heard it, Pauline heard it, Connor Hughes heard it, and Zack Rosenblatt heard it.

Dude has the personality and connection skills of a cactus.

Sharp and on point?

 

 

Ill see myself out. 

[section314]

9 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

You can not believe it all you want, but I’ve heard it, FG heard it, Pauline heard it, Connor Hughes heard it, and Zack Rosenblatt heard it.

Dude has the personality and connection skills of a cactus.

And he’s a sh*tty coach to boot.

[32EBoozer]

10 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

You can not believe it all you want, but I’ve heard it, FG, Pauline heard it, Connor Hughes heard it, and Zack Rosenblatt heard it.

Dude has the personality and connection skills of a cactus.

So basically MLF is the oddball little brother who gets sent away to become a man elsewhere.

Like this guy with Mo Greenburg!
 

 

 

 

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

You can not believe it all you want, but I’ve heard it, FG heard it, Pauline heard it, Connor Hughes heard it, and Zack Rosenblatt heard it.

Dude has the personality and connection skills of a cactus.

Hughes and Rosenblatt haven’t reported it anywhere I’ve seen or heard. They’ve both been very pro-LaFleur, and considering LaFleur was the first OC candidate the land a job (other than Hackett’s retirement tour here), I’m guessing that his “connection skills” aren’t as big a deal as this weak-ass primadonna Jets offensive personnel might have you believe. If Zach Wilson and Steve Young feel like LaFleur was mean to QB3 Zach Wilson, I don’t see that as a bad thing. And, again, if they’re letting Garrett Wilson decide that the OC who got him an OROY wasn’t good enough, just wait to see how much he loves Hackett if he doesn’t get Aaron Rodgers in the building.

[greenwichjetfan]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hughes and Rosenblatt haven’t reported it anywhere I’ve seen or heard. They’ve both been very pro-LaFleur, and considering LaFleur was the first OC candidate the land a job (other than Hackett’s retirement tour here), I’m guessing that his “connection skills” aren’t as big a deal as this weak-ass primadonna Jets offensive personnel might have you believe. If Zach Wilson and Steve Young feel like LaFleur was mean to QB3 Zach Wilson, I don’t see that as a bad thing. And, again, if they’re letting Garrett Wilson decide that the OC who got him an OROY wasn’t good enough, just wait to see how much he loves Hackett if he doesn’t get Aaron Rodgers in the building.

Gonna be interesting to see how many attempts these supposed malcontent WRs are going to get when Hackett’s only going to call a pass to the outside 1 of every 3 downs. 

[Mogglez]

27 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hughes and Rosenblatt haven’t reported it anywhere I’ve seen or heard. They’ve both been very pro-LaFleur, and considering LaFleur was the first OC candidate the land a job (other than Hackett’s retirement tour here), I’m guessing that his “connection skills” aren’t as big a deal as this weak-ass primadonna Jets offensive personnel might have you believe. If Zach Wilson and Steve Young feel like LaFleur was mean to QB3 Zach Wilson, I don’t see that as a bad thing. And, again, if they’re letting Garrett Wilson decide that the OC who got him an OROY wasn’t good enough, just wait to see how much he loves Hackett if he doesn’t get Aaron Rodgers in the building.

Pretty sure it was in Rosenblatt’s article that LaFleur was not liked and was abrasive.  Hughes I know mentioned it on an SNY segment, but I’d have to search for it.

As for the players?  It’s not just Garrett Wilson.  It’s Elijah Moore, it’s Zach, it’s Mims, it’s Becton, and many more.  The dude wasn’t liked by anyone.  You can argue that these players are overrated, stink, etc. so “it’s a good thing” but that’s not going to change the fact that the dude was resented, wasn’t a good coach either way, and the reality of the league is that a douchebag who can’t coach himself out of a paper bag is not someone you want around your organization in any capacity.  The Jets don’t want to lose Moore or Garrett Wilson, and Mike LaFleur is not some football savant worth keeping around, pissing them off in the process.  It was best for the Jets to fire him, and it was best for Mike to get away and be McVay’s Gatorade runner to learn more about being a complete coach, not a spiteful loner prick who happens to know football like Adam Gase.  

Hackett without Rodgers is a goofball that, I agree, probably won’t be good unless we get Aaron.  That being said, you had players expressing sympathy for him after he was fired.  You had guys saying that it was their fault, not his.  LaFleur got the axe and you had players celebrating and liking tweets about him being let go.

 

[T0mShane]

Just now, Mogglez said:

It’s not just Garrett Wilson.  It’s Elijah Moore, it’s Zach, it’s Mims, it’s Becton

Look at this list.

[greenwichjetfan]

32 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I get what you’re saying, but the LaFleurs and McVay are good friends, so him joining McVay is not surprising, nor is it indicative of anything.  Brian Schottenheimer was immediately picked up after we fired him too.  That doesn’t mean firing him wasn’t the right choice.  What sucks is that our success probably hinges on Rodgers, whereas Mike just have to fetch Sean a few cups of Gatorade on Sundays and reap the rewards of his play calling.  If we suck (and I anticipate that we will unless Aaron is our QB) it’s going to be insufferable to hear some of the takes.

I thought we were having a serious discussion. You want to call LaFleur a water boy then that’s that. I can’t imagine that someone as smart as McVay would give just anyone the job if they didn’t fit the bill, even if he is friends with the guy’s older brother.

And if LaFleur getting a job because of a connection is so frowned upon, I got news for you regarding one Nate Hack(ett).

[T0mShane]

Mekhi Becton thought a coach was too mean to him.

[Mogglez]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Look at this list.

Don’t cut out the “and many more.”

Also, like them or not yourself, Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore, Mims, and Becton are liked by their teammates.  I can promise you with 110% certainty, they were the ones willing to put their names on it.  The feeling amongst the rest of the offensive locker room was pretty much the same.

[Mogglez]

9 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I thought we were having a serious discussion. You want to call LaFleur a water boy then that’s that. I can’t imagine that someone as smart as McVay would give just anyone the job if they didn’t fit the bill, even if he is friends with the guy’s older brother.

And if LaFleur getting a job because of a connection is so frowned upon, I got news for you regarding one Nate Hack(ett).

As long as McVay is calling the plays, that’s what LaFleur is.  A water boy.

I have said on multiple occasions that I think Hackett will be a disaster without Rodgers.  Bringing him up is not the “gotcha” you think it is.

[greenwichjetfan]

12 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

be McVay’s Gatorade runner to learn more about being a complete coach

Nothing like fetching water to learn how to coach!

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Don’t cut out the “and many more.”

Also, like them or not yourself, Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore, Mims, and Becton are liked by their teammates.  I can promise you with 110% certainty, they were the ones willing to put their names on it.  The feeling amongst the rest of the offensive locker room was pretty much the same.

Here are the LaFleur parts of Rosenblatt’s article:

Calvin Jackson, an undrafted rookie wide receiver who spent the offseason and training camp with the Jets, said LaFleur spoke with him one-on-one after Jackson had a tough time learning concepts in OTAs. “He’s one of those soft-spoken guys that won’t say much,” Jackson said. “But if you need help, you can always go to him and ask for it.” By training camp, Jackson said he had the concepts figured out…

[Quoting Steve Young] Zach doesn’t need tough love. He doesn’t need somebody to see how tough he is. He needs a big brother — a young, knowledgeable innovator, someone who he can trust and says to him, ‘You know what, despite everything that’s happened, Zach, I believe in you. You can get this done.’ Zach needs that,” Young said. “Mike kind of kept him at arm’s length and gave him the tough-love aspect, and I don’t think that’s really useful for Zach.”

 

[greenwichjetfan]

5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

As long as McVay is calling the plays, that’s what LaFleur is.  A water boy.

I have said on multiple occasions that I think Hackett will be a disaster without Rodgers.  Bringing him up is not the “gotcha” you think it is.

So then what exactly are you doing in this thread? My entire point was that firing LaFleur was a stupid move by JD made entirely for self preservation because he chose a ******* garbage ass player #2 overall. And the reason it was a stupid move was because he was still our best option despite whatever is being said about him in the media.

You coming in with “yea so what if we downgraded to a clown show, it was still the right move because we can’t have zachy’s or mimsy’s feelings being hurt” isn’t exactly a gotcha either. 

[Mogglez]

11 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Nothing like fetching water to learn how to coach!

His problem isn’t just his acumen, it’s his personality.  The dude needs to see how someone like McVay carries himself when coaching up the offense.

Not really sure why you’re getting so defensive over Mike.  Even if we took away his piss-poor personality out of the equation, the dude was one of the worst in-game play callers I have ever seen, and he couldn’t adjust his offense for sh*t.  The Seahawks were literally laughing at how predictable we were, along with how easy it was to identify our plays.

[Mogglez]

6 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

So then what exactly are you doing in this thread? My entire point was that firing LaFleur was a stupid move by JD made entirely for self preservation because he chose a ******* garbage ass player #2 overall. And the reason it was a stupid move was because he was still our best option despite whatever is being said about him in the media.

You coming in with “yea so what if we downgraded to a clown show, it was still the right move because we can’t have zachy’s or mimsy’s feelings being hurt” isn’t exactly a gotcha either. 

I’m saying that LaFleur isn’t the second coming of Bill Walsh and that his firing was still justified.

I never said it was a “gotcha”.  The only person playing that game here is you.

[section314]

30 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Pretty sure it was in Rosenblatt’s article that LaFleur was not liked and was abrasive.  Hughes I know mentioned it on an SNY segment, but I’d have to search for it.

As for the players?  It’s not just Garrett Wilson.  It’s Elijah Moore, it’s Zach, it’s Mims, it’s Becton, and many more.  The dude wasn’t liked by anyone.  You can argue that these players are overrated, stink, etc. so “it’s a good thing” but that’s not going to change the fact that the dude was resented, wasn’t a good coach either way, and the reality of the league is that a douchebag who can’t coach himself out of a paper bag is not someone you want around your organization in any capacity.  The Jets don’t want to lose Moore or Garrett Wilson, and Mike LaFleur is not some football savant worth keeping around, pissing them off in the process.  It was best for the Jets to fire him, and it was best for Mike to get away and be McVay’s Gatorade runner to learn more about being a complete coach, not a spiteful loner prick who happens to know football like Adam Gase.  

Hackett without Rodgers is a goofball that, I agree, probably won’t be good unless we get Aaron.  That being said, you had players expressing sympathy for him after he was fired.  You had guys saying that it was their fault, not his.  LaFleur got the axe and you had players celebrating and liking tweets about him being let go.

 

MLF is a POS

[Jet2020]

Which OC candidate is expecting to land “The Greatest Show on Turf” type offense? That’s is extremely dumb on the OC candidate part. That job is open for a reason. Unless an OC was promoted to a HC elsewhere, most OC are expected to work with trash heap. Jets are hardly trash heap, besides the QB. Half decent QB makes us a playoff team. 

[greenwichjetfan]

8 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

His problem isn’t just his acumen, it’s his personality.  The dude needs to see how someone like McVay carries himself when coaching up the offense.

Not really sure why you’re getting so defensive over Mike.  Even if we took away his piss-poor personality out of the equation, the dude was one of the worst in-game play callers I have ever seen, and he couldn’t adjust his offense for sh*t.  The Seahawks were literally laughing at how predictable we were, along with how easy it was to identify our plays.

I’m saying that he was working with dogsh*t at QB and you were asking him to make you a gourmet meal.

Is Kyle Shannahan also garbage because the eagles just destroyed his offense? JD gave LaFleur Zach Wilson (despite reports that LaFleur didn’t want him) and then backed him up with a grandpa, a guy who was almost out of the league, and the guy who fumbled away any chance of the 49ers winning today. Oh btw, that same guy looked pretty good in LaFleurs offense last year. 

6 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I’m saying that LaFleur isn’t the second coming of Bill Walsh and that his firing was still justified.

I never said it was a “gotcha”.  The only person playing that game here is you.

Bro. You know I like you and we have had really good convos. Take a step back - look at our entire interaction here. You quoted me, not the other way around. And no one - not me or anyone else in any thread, ever claimed LaFleur was the bees knees. That’s the straw man that you had to create to justify apologizing for JD’s awful move. 

[dbatesman]

39 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mekhi Becton thought a coach was too mean to him.

I get why this sounds good, because it lets you paint the players as a bunch of tissue-soft zoomer crybabies, but it doesn’t hold with anything I’ve read. The only person saying he was “too mean” is Steve Young, who’s basically a Wilson family PR flack. FG, Mogglez, and the aforementioned Rosenblatt piece have all said just the opposite: that LaFleur is conflict-averse and basically avoided coaching any of his players because it would involve confronting them.

[Jet Nut]

8 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

Zach Wilson was another guy “they wanted”.

So what. 
 

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

So what. 
 

Sew your buttons.

[T0mShane]

12 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I get why this sounds good, because it lets you paint the players as a bunch of tissue-soft zoomer crybabies, but it doesn’t hold with anything I’ve read. The only person saying he was “too mean” is Steve Young, who’s basically a Wilson family PR flack. FG, Mogglez, the aforementioned Rosenblatt piece—all said just the opposite: that LaFleur is conflict-averse and basically avoided coaching any of his players because it would involve confronting them.

I just read through and quoted from the Rosenblatt piece @Mogglez referred to. I am sure that LaFleur rubbed players the wrong way. I am even more than sure he rubbed players like Becton and Moore the wrong way. I am of the belief that when your quarterback is a statistical nightmare, there is a lot of frustration with a lot of things, and most of that frustration falls in the lap of the OC. Rosenblatt has reported that players generally like Zach Wilson, but they don’t think he can play football. Given the choice between blaming the OC or their teammates, they are going to blame the OC for not fixing the QB. None of this is to say that LaFleur is free from blame. There are, at any given time, 25 to 30 OCs who suck according the fan bases of those teams. My point is that saying that Mike LaFleur was the root cause of the Jets offensive problems is disproven by the fact that 1. Nobody else wanted the Jets OC job he just vacated and 2. McVay snapped him up ten minutes after the Jets let him go. If McVay didn’t hire him, the Chargers would have. With all due respect to Mogglez and football guy, they were both slurping Zach Wilson for the majority of the season, so maybe their information stream isn’t exactly objective.

[Mogglez]

23 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I’m saying that he was working with dogsh*t at QB and you were asking him to make you a gourmet meal.

Is Kyle Shannahan also garbage because the eagles just destroyed his offense? JD gave LaFleur Zach Wilson (despite reports that LaFleur didn’t want him) and then backed him up with a grandpa, a guy who was almost out of the league, and the guy who fumbled away any chance of the 49ers winning today. Oh btw, that same guy looked pretty good in LaFleurs offense last year.

Bro. You know I like you and we have had really good convos. Take a step back - look at our entire interaction here. You quoted me, not the other way around. And no one - not me or anyone else in any thread, ever claimed LaFleur was the bees knees. That’s the straw man that you had to create to justify apologizing for JD’s awful move. 

Kyle had Lance, Jimmy G, and Purdy all playing better than Wilson, or any of our other QBs, did so, no, he’s not garbage.  He’s a coach dealing with legitimate injury issues.  Also, I’m gonna need a pretty strong works cited on that “LaFleur didn’t want to draft Wilson” because that could not be further from the truth.  We have an entire 1JD episode going into detail why LaFleur loved Wilson, breaking down his BYU tape, and they had the second overall pick, which means they had their pick of the litter, not named Lawrence, but still chose Wilson.  Believing that Mike’s opinion didn’t matter on that is pure silliness.  If the QBs were dogsh*t, he had just as much of hand in picking up that dogsh*t as everyone else.

I’m not justifying anything regarding Joe Douglas or his moves; I have absolutely no idea what you are going on about at this point.  All I said from the jump is that Zach being a trash QB doesn’t make LaFleur a good coach, nor does it discredit the reports that half of the team didn’t like him, which is what really got him fired, as reported by multiple people at this point.  You’ve called him “our best option, despite what the media has said about him”, have continued to defend the guy by saying it’s all Wilson’s fault, and have been, quite frankly, aggressively defensive of him and against any sort of notion that he earned his own firing.  If you truly don’t think he’s “the bees knees”, you have an odd way of expressing it.

[dbatesman]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

My point is that saying that Mike LaFleur was the root cause of the Jets offensive problems is disproven by the fact that 1. Nobody else wanted the Jets OC job he just vacated and 2. McVay snapped him up ten minutes after the Jets let him go. If McVay didn’t hire him, the Chargers would have. With all due respect to Mogglez and football guy, they were both slurping Zach Wilson for the majority of the season, so maybe their information stream isn’t exactly objective.

Well, take it up with them, because I’m not a Zach slurper and I certainly never said LaFleur was the root cause of the Jets’ offensive problems. My point is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the issue was LaFleur being some throwback hardass and the players being too soft to handle it. If anything, it sounds a lot like it was the opposite.