Post here if you despise Woody Johnson

[southparkcpa]

5 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Never understood the "Woody hate" thing. Always seemed to me like an easy scapegoat during this 12 year playoff draught. Has Woody been perfect? No. Has Woody been a terrible owner? I would also argue no. 

Lets take an unbiased look at his record. 

1) Buys the Jets in January of 2000.

2) In his first 3 years as owner, Jets do not have a losing record. Brings in Herm Edwards after first season as GM after stop gap coach Al Groh is let go by Johnson.

3) Herm Edwards teams make playoffs 3 out of 5 seasons (imagine that Jet fans) with two double digit win seasons.

4) After a bad 4-12 5th year at the helm, brings in Mangini, a much talked about hire at the time. Makes playoffs first year, bad second season, actually a winning record 9-7 in his 3rd year but no playoffs, let go.

5) Johnson hires Rex Ryan! Takes team to AFC Championship twice! Only 2 losing seasons in 6 seasons at helm. Makes right call and lets go of Rex after 6 seasons. 

6) Hired Todd Bowles, a MUCH praised hire in 2015, team goes 10-6 and then lets him fledge around for 3 more seasons.

7) Takes UK ambassadrship and Chris Johnson hires Gase. 

8. Brother hires Saleh. Since his return it has looked like Joe Douglas still makes football decisions and coach seems to have alot of flexibility, even so much as to bench the number 2 pick in season 2. 

All that aside, seems to pay contacts when asked, built a state of the art facility in Florham Park and has no crazy scandals (see Commanders) etc to speak of. 

What do you mean by meddling? Like an owner who doesnt have any interest in the team? Thats not going to happen. He owns the ****ign team. Does he do press conferences every game like JJ in Dallas or a physocpath like the guy in Carolina or DC? What meddling? 

How is this guy such a bad owner. Seems like lazy analysis to me. 

 

What is our record under Woody?? 

He is 151 L  123 W

He has had 7 HC's, multiple GM's.

Has never had a solid answer at QB in his tenure.  22 years and the most important position in all of sports, his management team can't find one. 

He left his team to be run by his very unaccomplished brother so he could be an ambassador

Haven't been to the playoffs since 2010

Won 10 or more games only 4 times

Below 500 7 years in a row, 12 in total

Has not been able to surround himself with football minded men.

 

How any one could look at this and think the team is in good hands must be under 45 and grew up where all kids got a trophy.

His tenure is not even mediocre.   It is so far below average it is scary. He is amongst the worst 6-8 owners in the league based on facts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[T0mShane]

Woody and his brother strike me as empty vessels who get pushed around and manipulated by the people around them, most famously Rex and Manish. His problem as it relates to the Jets is that he also sees himself as a useful component of the management team, which doesn’t allow him to hire the President of Football Ops who could save him from the bungling that’s followed him around since he bought the team. I know he tried to hire Casserly and/or Ron Wolf after the GM search fiasco that resulted in Maccagnan, but they both balked. Why wouldn’t you throw a check at an old hand to come in and right the ship? 

[slimjasi]

For what it’s worth, I don’t despise Woody and never have 

[BCJet]

39 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

What is our record under Woody?? 

He is 151 L  123 W

He has had 7 HC's, multiple GM's.

Has never had a solid answer at QB in his tenure.  22 years and the most important position in all of sports, his management team can't find one. 

He left his team to be run by his very unaccomplished brother so he could be an ambassador

Haven't been to the playoffs since 2010

Won 10 or more games only 4 times

Below 500 7 years in a row, 12 in total

Has not been able to surround himself with football minded men.

 

How any one could look at this and think the team is in good hands must be under 45 and grew up where all kids got a trophy.

His tenure is not even mediocre.   It is so far below average it is scary. He is amongst the worst 6-8 owners in the league based on facts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great list.  But please dont forget that he presided over (1/2) of the worst stadium in the NFL and has virtually no hope to get a new one anytime soon.

[kevinc855]

1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

What is our record under Woody?? 

He is 151 L  123 W

He has had 7 HC's, multiple GM's.

Has never had a solid answer at QB in his tenure.  22 years and the most important position in all of sports, his management team can't find one. 

He left his team to be run by his very unaccomplished brother so he could be an ambassador

Haven't been to the playoffs since 2010

Won 10 or more games only 4 times

Below 500 7 years in a row, 12 in total

Has not been able to surround himself with football minded men.

 

How any one could look at this and think the team is in good hands must be under 45 and grew up where all kids got a trophy.

His tenure is not even mediocre.   It is so far below average it is scary. He is amongst the worst 6-8 owners in the league based on facts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Complain about wins and losses and quarterbacks but don’t want him “meddling” 

so who’s to blame? Coaches? GMs?

or woody Johnson? Cant have it both ways.

by the way 

[Larz]

6 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Never understood the "Woody hate" thing. Always seemed to me like an easy scapegoat during this 12 year playoff draught. Has Woody been perfect? No. Has Woody been a terrible owner? I would also argue no. 

Lets take an unbiased look at his record. 

1) Buys the Jets in January of 2000.

2) In his first 3 years as owner, Jets do not have a losing record. Brings in Herm Edwards after first season as GM after stop gap coach Al Groh is let go by Johnson.

3) Herm Edwards teams make playoffs 3 out of 5 seasons (imagine that Jet fans) with two double digit win seasons.

4) After a bad 4-12 5th year at the helm, brings in Mangini, a much talked about hire at the time. Makes playoffs first year, bad second season, actually a winning record 9-7 in his 3rd year but no playoffs, let go.

5) Johnson hires Rex Ryan! Takes team to AFC Championship twice! Only 2 losing seasons in 6 seasons at helm. Makes right call and lets go of Rex after 6 seasons. 

6) Hired Todd Bowles, a MUCH praised hire in 2015, team goes 10-6 and then lets him fledge around for 3 more seasons.

7) Takes UK ambassadrship and Chris Johnson hires Gase. 

8. Brother hires Saleh. Since his return it has looked like Joe Douglas still makes football decisions and coach seems to have alot of flexibility, even so much as to bench the number 2 pick in season 2. 

All that aside, seems to pay contacts when asked, built a state of the art facility in Florham Park and has no crazy scandals (see Commanders) etc to speak of. 

What do you mean by meddling? Like an owner who doesnt have any interest in the team? Thats not going to happen. He owns the ****ign team. Does he do press conferences every game like JJ in Dallas or a physocpath like the guy in Carolina or DC? What meddling? 

How is this guy such a bad owner. Seems like lazy analysis to me. 

 

The ambassadorship was a disaster. He had 2 major scandals , one using a slur with the staff , the other giving diplomatic immunity inappropriately to an embassy official’s wife that killed people while drunk driving and he let her leave the country.  

 

[southparkcpa]

5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Complain about wins and losses and quarterbacks but don’t want him “meddling” 

so who’s to blame? Coaches? GMs?

or woody Johnson? Cant have it both ways.

by the way 

His record speaks for itself.  I didn't say he meddles in my post.   I say he is not smart and his brother is a man child.

With such strong evidence against him, how any fan can think he is even close to average is mind numbing.

He is in the bottom pile of owners in almost all of sports and certainly amongst worst 6-8 in the NFL.

 

[ksahagi]

2 hours ago, Drums said:

Were they already a sponsor before we drafted Wilson?

Yes.  JetBlue brilliantly played the long game here, beginning a sponsorship relationship with the Jets in 2009, for the sole, specific purpose of ensuring that the 10-year old Zach Wilson would grow up to be drafted and fielded by the team over a decade later.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/09/26/jetblue-paints-airbus-a-320-nfls-new-york-jets/706551001/

[Dcat]

35 minutes ago, ksahagi said:

Yes.  JetBlue brilliantly played the long game here, beginning a sponsorship relationship with the Jets in 2009, for the sole, specific purpose of ensuring that the 10-year old Zach Wilson would grow up to be drafted and fielded by the team over a decade later.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/09/26/jetblue-paints-airbus-a-320-nfls-new-york-jets/706551001/

[Jet Nut]

On 1/31/2023 at 1:55 PM, bitonti said:

I don't hate this person but to address the "woody likes Zach" rumor, wilson comes with a sponsorship from jetblue. It's a very unique situation.

The jets could cut Zach treat him like any other player and lose that sponsorship. It's always about the money. If Justin fields uncle founded met life he'd have been the pick instead 

They’ve been a sponsor since 2009

What was Zach, 9? 

[NJ]

He's an imbecile. Can't wait till the set of circumstances come together where he and his have nothing to do with the team.

 

[Biggs]

He seems like a cool dude who would watch your back in a bar fight.

[varjet]

5 hours ago, NJ said:

He's an imbecile. Can't wait till the set of circumstances come together where he and his have nothing to do with the team.

 

^ this.  
I can’t say I despise him yet.  I will despise him if he blows this team up for Aaron Rodgers.  We will know the Johnson’s involvement in Aaron Rodgers by the degree to advertise Rodgers for ticket sales, and how fast the ads show up

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

SELL WOODY SELL

[frankiepapa]

His record speaks for itself.  I didn't say he meddles in my post.   I say he is not smart and his brother is a man child.
With such strong evidence against him, how any fan can think he is even close to average is mind numbing.
He is in the bottom pile of owners in almost all of sports and certainly amongst worst 6-8 in the NFL.
 

Interesting take that woody is not smart...I wonder, how many of these owners are? Is Jerry Jones considered smart? How about Kraft?

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[Scott Dierking]

12 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Woody and his brother strike me as empty vessels who get pushed around and manipulated by the people around them, most famously Rex and Manish. His problem as it relates to the Jets is that he also sees himself as a useful component of the management team, which doesn’t allow him to hire the President of Football Ops who could save him from the bungling that’s followed him around since he bought the team. I know he tried to hire Casserly and/or Ron Wolf after the GM search fiasco that resulted in Maccagnan, but they both balked. Why wouldn’t you throw a check at an old hand to come in and right the ship? 

This is so spot on, that I can't believe that it came from your fingertips. Great job.

[southparkcpa]

24 minutes ago, frankiepapa said:

Interesting take that woody is not smart...I wonder, how many of these owners are? Is Jerry Jones considered smart? How about Kraft?

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Its a good point. I always believed those who at least made their own money in life would have an advantage but perhaps not.  Example, Arthur Blank seems to be much like Woody but Woody hasn't even run a lemonade stand. 

 

[ScarletKnight89]

I don't understand the whole "he's meddling" argument. It's his team. Do people expect him to just buy the team, pay the bills, keep quiet, and only speak when spoken to? 

 

[y2k8]

19 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Never understood the "Woody hate" thing. Always seemed to me like an easy scapegoat during this 12 year playoff draught. Has Woody been perfect? No. Has Woody been a terrible owner? I would also argue no. 

Lets take an unbiased look at his record. 

1) Buys the Jets in January of 2000.

2) In his first 3 years as owner, Jets do not have a losing record. Brings in Herm Edwards after first season as GM after stop gap coach Al Groh is let go by Johnson.

3) Herm Edwards teams make playoffs 3 out of 5 seasons (imagine that Jet fans) with two double digit win seasons.

4) After a bad 4-12 5th year at the helm, brings in Mangini, a much talked about hire at the time. Makes playoffs first year, bad second season, actually a winning record 9-7 in his 3rd year but no playoffs, let go.

5) Johnson hires Rex Ryan! Takes team to AFC Championship twice! Only 2 losing seasons in 6 seasons at helm. Makes right call and lets go of Rex after 6 seasons. 

6) Hired Todd Bowles, a MUCH praised hire in 2015, team goes 10-6 and then lets him fledge around for 3 more seasons.

7) Takes UK ambassadrship and Chris Johnson hires Gase. 

8. Brother hires Saleh. Since his return it has looked like Joe Douglas still makes football decisions and coach seems to have alot of flexibility, even so much as to bench the number 2 pick in season 2. 

All that aside, seems to pay contacts when asked, built a state of the art facility in Florham Park and has no crazy scandals (see Commanders) etc to speak of. 

What do you mean by meddling? Like an owner who doesnt have any interest in the team? Thats not going to happen. He owns the ****ign team. Does he do press conferences every game like JJ in Dallas or a physocpath like the guy in Carolina or DC? What meddling? 

How is this guy such a bad owner. Seems like lazy analysis to me. 

 

I enjoyed how the unbiased look didn't list one negative like failure deliver on promise of NY stadium, stewardship over the longest playoff drought in franchise history (in an era where it has never been easier to qualify), Insisting on Tim Tebow, some of the worst GM hires in NY history, etc. Hilarious.

[Bungaman]

14 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

OK. I have to ask. Where did you find that? If you found the image on the net, what did you search under? And ... if you have one of these at home in your drawer, well, not sure what I could say to that. 

[bitonti]

9 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

They’ve been a sponso since 2009

What was Zach, 9? 

That's what corporations call synergy 

They don't always plan it in advance sometimes it just happens 

The bottom line is that not every team has an official airline partner. The Jets have to tread lightly 

 

[freestater]

Despise is such a strong word. Totally inappropriate for Woody. Even as he messes up, I have no doubt Woody wants to do well for the New York Jets. He's a doofus sometimes but not someone who could rise to such a level of contemptible disgust to say I despise him. That term is useful only to describe a few truly rotten human beings. 

[Embrace the Suck]

20 hours ago, jgb said:

15+ years ago there used to be one in the Trenton NJ transit station. Between the $5 quickie massage parlor and bodega that only sells loose cigarettes.

A fellow man of style and taste I see. 

[Jet Nut]

On 2/1/2023 at 9:43 AM, bitonti said:

That's what corporations call synergy 

They don't always plan it in advance sometimes it just happens 

The bottom line is that not every team has an official airline partner. The Jets have to tread lightly 

 

Please between finances and corp world you’re just spinning your wheels.  
The Jets don’t have to tread lightly. That’s beyond silly

[docdhc]

On 1/31/2023 at 7:46 PM, T0mShane said:

Woody and his brother strike me as empty vessels who get pushed around and manipulated by the people around them, most famously Rex and Manish. His problem as it relates to the Jets is that he also sees himself as a useful component of the management team, which doesn’t allow him to hire the President of Football Ops who could save him from the bungling that’s followed him around since he bought the team. I know he tried to hire Casserly and/or Ron Wolf after the GM search fiasco that resulted in Maccagnan, but they both balked. Why wouldn’t you throw a check at an old hand to come in and right the ship? 

Agree with you. He was born into a rich family and lived off his inheritance but was never involved in their business. He had never managed a company before and doesn’t seem like a strong leader or a good judge of talent like a self made man like Robert Kraft for example. I don’t doubt his sincerity in wanting to win but he inherited Parcels and Belichick and couldn’t keep them, then made many bad hiring decisions like Idzik and Macc.  He meddled in football decisions like bringing on Favre, firing Mancini, bringing in Tebow to name a few. I think Douglas is the best GM we’ve had since Tanny and his brother hired him. Good ownership is so important. Look at the difference that Steve Cohen has made with the Mets after the incompetent Wilpons. I don’t hate Woody, I just think he hasn’t been very good. 

[Dcat]

10 hours ago, freestater said:

Despise is such a strong word. Totally inappropriate for Woody. Even as he messes up, I have no doubt Woody wants to do well for the New York Jets. He's a doofus sometimes but not someone who could rise to such a level of contemptible disgust to say I despise him. That term is useful only to describe a few truly rotten human beings. 

Forcing Zach Wilson down Saleh's throat can only come from a truly rotten human being. He just can't fkcing accept that his hand picked GM crapped the bed with the Zach Wilson pick and will force him to play thereby ensuring another losing season.  Despise yet?  If not you are a very benevolent soul.

[bitonti]

42 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Please between finances and corp world you’re just spinning you wheels.  
The Jets don’t have to tread lightly. That’s beyond silly

They are not going to mistreat the nephew of a friend of the family 

That's why Zach is even still here after a historically terrible first couple of years 

He's on scholarship 

[Jet Nut]

44 minutes ago, bitonti said:

They are not going to mistreat the nephew of a friend of the family 

That's why Zach is even still here after a historically terrible first couple of years 

He's on scholarship 

Yeah, when he was 9 they planned all of this.  Knew he would play football so they got an early jump and sponsored the Jets.  Lol

‘Another of your half baked takes.  

[southparkcpa]

1 hour ago, docdhc said:

Agree with you. He was born into a rich family and lived off his inheritance but was never involved in their business. He had never managed a company before and doesn’t seem like a strong leader or a good judge of talent like a self made man like Robert Kraft for example. I don’t doubt his sincerity in wanting to win but he inherited Parcels and Belichick and couldn’t keep them, then made many bad hiring decisions like Idzik and Macc.  He meddled in football decisions like bringing on Favre, firing Mancini, bringing in Tebow to name a few. I think Douglas is the best GM we’ve had since Tanny and his brother hired him. Good ownership is so important. Look at the difference that Steve Cohen has made with the Mets after the incompetent Wilpons. I don’t hate Woody, I just think he hasn’t been very good. 

I wonder if Woody has ever even received a W2.   I'm not joking.  GREAT post.

[BCJet]

12 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

I don't understand the whole "he's meddling" argument. It's his team. Do people expect him to just buy the team, pay the bills, keep quiet, and only speak when spoken to? 

 

Owning a team allows you to sit in on NFL HC and GM interviews and enjoy something that is awesome considering the popularity of the game.  It also should come with a level of humility that allows you to be in those meetings and know that you arent a football expert as it hasnt been something you have done for the past 20 years, so let the football people who you hired make the decisions.

Woody is and always has been a product of generational wealth. Hes never actually accomplished anything yet is still arrogant enough to meddle in an NFL team because his team has appreciated so much that he believes hes smart.

[batman10023]

22 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

They’ve been a sponso since 2009

What was Zach, 9? 

The posters brand is conspiracy theories. It’s how he rolls. 
 

never mind his uncle was fired from JetBlue prior to Zach being in college. 
 

and all for a 1mm sponsorship.  Lol. 

[sciond]

**** Woody and Family

[Jetsfan80]

Sup

[Jetsfan80]

On 1/31/2023 at 7:14 PM, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

 @The Crusher 100 % owns this

[Jetsfan80]

On 1/31/2023 at 8:55 PM, kevinc855 said:

Complain about wins and losses and quarterbacks but don’t want him “meddling” 

so who’s to blame? Coaches? GMs?

or woody Johnson? Cant have it both ways.

by the way 

Who hires the GMs and coaches?