Feels like the wheels are coming off

[Phillyjet]

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

1) Given our cap situation, how do you retain Q and sign Carr/Rodgers/Garropollo. 

2) Assuming the above happens, What scraps are left to rebuild the oline and replace departing FA's (e.g. Quincy Williams) on D?  And oh yeah, we might be down a draft pick or two.

3) Some modicum of continuity seemed possible by retaining MLF and bringing in a QB/passing game coordinator.  Fast forward a week or two, MLF is hired by McVay, who knows nothing about offense, and we are left with Nathaniel Hackett coming in off an atrocious season with Russell Wilson.  And that team did not lack talent.  Heck, we still don't have a passing game/WR coach, or that senior assistant.

4) Saleh seems like he is increasingly feeding us BS.  Witness the Hackett press conference.  I for one thinking he was spotting MLF a favor, and will be going west in a year.

5) Witness Q's stupid tweet.  

6) Breece will be back, but think we won't see his best, barring another injury, until 2024.  Similar to Saquon.  As a shift runner, would be surprised we see full explosiveness 10 months post injury.  

7) The oline sucks, no offense to AVT who is awesome.  I even think Becton will be better (contract year).  But no center, maybe we got Mitchell on the right side, and we'll see if Laken decides to show up this year.  Oh, and no depth at all.

8. We were relatively injury free on defense this year, particularly at CB.  Not sure we can assume that would be the case next year.

9.  The front office is getting leaky again.  Whatever you think of Tony Pauline, he wasn't making sh*t up.  Someone's gabbing. Usually precedes a clean-out. 

Which leaves us with a very slim margin for error.  If the losing starts, it will go downhill quickly. 

All this makes me sense that we are in one of those rinse/repeat cycles where we'll be cleaning house next year.  Harbaugh?  Payton?  Who you got?

[Tranquilo]

R-E-L-A-X

[LSJF]

The wheels have been off the last 12 years…

[Matt39]

Too many missed picks. No one has stuck really via FA. Most notably Tomlinson and Davis being busts. No quarterback obviously. Rodgers isn’t coming here. Oline is a mess. Best player coming off of ACL. This was the off-season to reset again. Now you have Douglas in desperation mode.

[JetsAddict]

4 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

1) Given our cap situation, how do you retain Q and sign Carr/Rodgers/Garropollo. 

2) Assuming the above happens, What scraps are left to rebuild the oline and replace departing FA's (e.g. Quincy Williams) on D?  And oh yeah, we might be down a draft pick or two.

3) Some modicum of continuity seemed possible by retaining MLF and bringing in a QB/passing game coordinator.  Fast forward a week or two, MLF is hired by McVay, who knows nothing about offense, and we are left with Nathaniel Hackett coming in off an atrocious season with Russell Wilson.  And that team did not lack talent.  Heck, we still don't have a passing game/WR coach, or that senior assistant.

4) Saleh seems like he is increasingly feeding us BS.  Witness the Hackett press conference.  I for one thinking he was spotting MLF a favor, and will be going west in a year.

5) Witness Q's stupid tweet.  

6) Breece will be back, but think we won't see his best, barring another injury, until 2024.  Similar to Saquon.  As a shift runner, would be surprised we see full explosiveness 10 months post injury.  

7) The oline sucks, no offense to AVT who is awesome.  I even think Becton will be better (contract year).  But no center, maybe we got Mitchell on the right side, and we'll see if Laken decides to show up this year.  Oh, and no depth at all.

8. We were relatively injury free on defense this year, particularly at CB.  Not sure we can assume that would be the case next year.

9.  The front office is getting leaky again.  Whatever you think of Tony Pauline, he wasn't making sh*t up.  Someone's gabbing. Usually precedes a clean-out. 

Which leaves us with a very slim margin for error.  If the losing starts, it will go downhill quickly. 

All this makes me sense that we are in one of those rinse/repeat cycles where we'll be cleaning house next year.  Harbaugh?  Payton?  Who you got?

I am in 100 percent agreement. The entire organization wants to point the finger at Zach Wilson in spite of the fact that all of them had a hand in picking him. 

Why?

Because they are selling the notion that they are a good QB away from being contenders. I don’t see it, for a lot of the points you bring up. 
 

The defense is very overrated. It’s not a bad defense, but it’s not as good as everyone is saying. As you mentioned everyone stayed healthy. That won’t happen next year. 
 

The right move was to clean house and let a new regime come in with a long-term plan to keep building this roster up. I fear instead Douglas and Saleh will light gasoline on the fire in a last ditch effort to save their jobs. 

[JetsFanatic]

12 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

1) Given our cap situation, how do you retain Q and sign Carr/Rodgers/Garropollo. 

2) Assuming the above happens, What scraps are left to rebuild the oline and replace departing FA's (e.g. Quincy Williams) on D?  And oh yeah, we might be down a draft pick or two.

3) Some modicum of continuity seemed possible by retaining MLF and bringing in a QB/passing game coordinator.  Fast forward a week or two, MLF is hired by McVay, who knows nothing about offense, and we are left with Nathaniel Hackett coming in off an atrocious season with Russell Wilson.  And that team did not lack talent.  Heck, we still don't have a passing game/WR coach, or that senior assistant.

4) Saleh seems like he is increasingly feeding us BS.  Witness the Hackett press conference.  I for one thinking he was spotting MLF a favor, and will be going west in a year.

5) Witness Q's stupid tweet.  

6) Breece will be back, but think we won't see his best, barring another injury, until 2024.  Similar to Saquon.  As a shift runner, would be surprised we see full explosiveness 10 months post injury.  

7) The oline sucks, no offense to AVT who is awesome.  I even think Becton will be better (contract year).  But no center, maybe we got Mitchell on the right side, and we'll see if Laken decides to show up this year.  Oh, and no depth at all.

8. We were relatively injury free on defense this year, particularly at CB.  Not sure we can assume that would be the case next year.

9.  The front office is getting leaky again.  Whatever you think of Tony Pauline, he wasn't making sh*t up.  Someone's gabbing. Usually precedes a clean-out. 

Which leaves us with a very slim margin for error.  If the losing starts, it will go downhill quickly. 

All this makes me sense that we are in one of those rinse/repeat cycles where we'll be cleaning house next year.  Harbaugh?  Payton?  Who you got?

Let’s disband the Jets. It’s a horrible situation. Let’s petition to cancel the 2023 season. In all my years rooting for the Jets I don’t think we’ve been in a worse situation. Makes me yearn for the Kotite years.

[Sarge4Tide]

[32EBoozer]

[Sarge4Tide]

 

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Too many missed picks. No one has stuck really via FA. Most notably Tomlinson and Davis being busts. No quarterback obviously. Rodgers isn’t coming here. Oline is a mess. Best player coming off of ACL. This was the off-season to reset again. Now you have Douglas in desperation mode.

What team do you watch? 

[sourceworx]

Woody is as impatient as we all are, except he's in control and dumb as a box of rocks. As a result, Saleh and JD are in job preservation mode 

[jamesr]

Guess I can save my money and not buy NFL Game Pass next season, huh?  

[bla bla bla]

QB is the most important thing we can focus on this year. You can not get an accurate grade of the rest of your team when your QB play is worse than 32nd in the league. Plenty of money for Rodgers, Jimmy, or Carr and pay Quinnen. We are not in bad shape really.

If they don't land a QB regardless of what else happens, we will likely be clean house

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

What team do you watch? 

The one that lost 6 games in a row to end the season.

[Trotter]

3 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

This is outstanding

[JetsAddict]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Too many missed picks. No one has stuck really via FA. Most notably Tomlinson and Davis being busts. No quarterback obviously. Rodgers isn’t coming here. Oline is a mess. Best player coming off of ACL. This was the off-season to reset again. Now you have Douglas in desperation mode.

You know we all say Douglas and Saleh are in desperation mode, but I think Woody is right there with them. He’s approaching 80 years old. I doubt he wants to do any more resets after coming up snake eyes so many times. Woody is 100 percent ready to mortgage the next five years for a push to the playoffs. I don’t think even Aaron Rodgers could get this team over the top. 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, JetsAddict said:

The defense is very overrated. It’s not a bad defense, but it’s not as good as everyone is saying. As you mentioned everyone stayed healthy. That won’t happen next year. 
 

The right move was to clean house and let a new regime come in with a long-term plan to keep building this roster up. I fear instead Douglas and Saleh will light gasoline on the fire in a last ditch effort to save their jobs. 

Toss up of which is worse.  Clean house?  What kind of plan is that. 

[Jet Nut]

Just now, Matt39 said:

The one that lost 6 games in a row to end the season.

Funny thing is you were bitching just as much at 7-3.  
 

[Trotter]

Another Ron popeil thread

[sourceworx]

8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

What team do you watch? 

They have no QB and just hired Son of Draw Play Paul to fix the offense. Whatever good vibes we all felt in October/November are dead and buried.

[LSJF]

11 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Too many missed picks. No one has stuck really via FA. Most notably Tomlinson and Davis being busts. No quarterback obviously. Rodgers isn’t coming here. Oline is a mess. Best player coming off of ACL. This was the off-season to reset again. Now you have Douglas in desperation mode.

[carlito1171]

I agree in the sense that if they strike out on Rodgers, Carr and even Garropolo, things will get ugly fast. Signing Brissett or Minshew won’t be enough to win games and save their jobs. Bringing back Zach and MW only is basically career suicide. A lot hinges on fixing QB, and then making OL at least sturdy enough to be average during the season. 

[32EBoozer]

14 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

I understand that being in Philly must be difficult right now, but the JD rebuild is going into year 4. Save this post for next year at this time if needed. Let’s get the vet QB, FA and Draft completed before calling this organization the equivalent of the fall of Hanoi  or Kabul 

[OilfieldJet]

So many wrong points it’s a waste of time to refute. I’ve been a fan longer than most and am as skeptical  as anyone, but maybe the OP should take a year off.

[Sperm Edwards]

14 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

1) Given our cap situation, how do you retain Q and sign Carr/Rodgers/Garropollo. 

2) Assuming the above happens, What scraps are left to rebuild the oline and replace departing FA's (e.g. Quincy Williams) on D?  And oh yeah, we might be down a draft pick or two.

3) Some modicum of continuity seemed possible by retaining MLF and bringing in a QB/passing game coordinator.  Fast forward a week or two, MLF is hired by McVay, who knows nothing about offense, and we are left with Nathaniel Hackett coming in off an atrocious season with Russell Wilson.  And that team did not lack talent.  Heck, we still don't have a passing game/WR coach, or that senior assistant.

4) Saleh seems like he is increasingly feeding us BS.  Witness the Hackett press conference.  I for one thinking he was spotting MLF a favor, and will be going west in a year.

5) Witness Q's stupid tweet.  

6) Breece will be back, but think we won't see his best, barring another injury, until 2024.  Similar to Saquon.  As a shift runner, would be surprised we see full explosiveness 10 months post injury.  

7) The oline sucks, no offense to AVT who is awesome.  I even think Becton will be better (contract year).  But no center, maybe we got Mitchell on the right side, and we'll see if Laken decides to show up this year.  Oh, and no depth at all.

8. We were relatively injury free on defense this year, particularly at CB.  Not sure we can assume that would be the case next year.

9.  The front office is getting leaky again.  Whatever you think of Tony Pauline, he wasn't making sh*t up.  Someone's gabbing. Usually precedes a clean-out. 

Which leaves us with a very slim margin for error.  If the losing starts, it will go downhill quickly. 

All this makes me sense that we are in one of those rinse/repeat cycles where we'll be cleaning house next year.  Harbaugh?  Payton?  Who you got?

This is just factually incorrect.

There is zero cap problem fitting any veteran QB and both QW brothers. There’s room for all 3 and more.

It’s a matter of choosing if the team would rather have an expensive veteran QB or a few other 8-figure/year veterans (Tomlinson, Lawson, and a couple more) whose production isn’t nearly up to par with their compensation and/or team needs.

That’s on top of the ease of backloading plenty of 2023 hits to 2024 when the team will/should be staring at some $125MM with a QW extension paid for (but before adding a new QB or anyone else). That figure is way too much room to save for one offseason.

[usanyj]

The "Defense is good, but not great" argument is not steeped in overall fact.  When people think great defenses they think of the 85 bears or the ravens defense that won a super bowl with trent dilfer as qb.  Football has changed drastically since then. you need a serviceable defense to win in the nfl now because rules and flags have pushed so far to favor the offense it has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. 

The bills had the #1 defense last year and couldn't stop Mahomes in the playoffs.  The niners had the best defense this year and just got blown away yesterday.  The jets defense is good enough, sometimes you just need to make one stop.  Where we lack is having the QB to allow for us to go punch for punch with top notch offenses.  Our defense was on the field forever last year with the overwhelming number of 3 and outs.  Our defense, especially in the second half, never played with a lead.  Bring in a solid vet at qb and i think this argument goes out the window.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

35 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

1) Given our cap situation, how do you retain Q and sign Carr/Rodgers/Garropollo. 

2) Assuming the above happens, What scraps are left to rebuild the oline and replace departing FA's (e.g. Quincy Williams) on D?  And oh yeah, we might be down a draft pick or two.

3) Some modicum of continuity seemed possible by retaining MLF and bringing in a QB/passing game coordinator.  Fast forward a week or two, MLF is hired by McVay, who knows nothing about offense, and we are left with Nathaniel Hackett coming in off an atrocious season with Russell Wilson.  And that team did not lack talent.  Heck, we still don't have a passing game/WR coach, or that senior assistant.

4) Saleh seems like he is increasingly feeding us BS.  Witness the Hackett press conference.  I for one thinking he was spotting MLF a favor, and will be going west in a year.

5) Witness Q's stupid tweet.  

6) Breece will be back, but think we won't see his best, barring another injury, until 2024.  Similar to Saquon.  As a shift runner, would be surprised we see full explosiveness 10 months post injury.  

7) The oline sucks, no offense to AVT who is awesome.  I even think Becton will be better (contract year).  But no center, maybe we got Mitchell on the right side, and we'll see if Laken decides to show up this year.  Oh, and no depth at all.

8. We were relatively injury free on defense this year, particularly at CB.  Not sure we can assume that would be the case next year.

9.  The front office is getting leaky again.  Whatever you think of Tony Pauline, he wasn't making sh*t up.  Someone's gabbing. Usually precedes a clean-out. 

Which leaves us with a very slim margin for error.  If the losing starts, it will go downhill quickly. 

When All this makes me sense that we are in one of those rinse/repeat cycles where we'll be cleaning house next year.  Harbaugh?  Payton?  Who you got?

When was this team ever stable ?

[JoJoTownsell1]

36 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

1) Given our cap situation, how do you retain Q and sign Carr/Rodgers/Garropollo. 

2) Assuming the above happens, What scraps are left to rebuild the oline and replace departing FA's (e.g. Quincy Williams) on D?  And oh yeah, we might be down a draft pick or two.

3) Some modicum of continuity seemed possible by retaining MLF and bringing in a QB/passing game coordinator.  Fast forward a week or two, MLF is hired by McVay, who knows nothing about offense, and we are left with Nathaniel Hackett coming in off an atrocious season with Russell Wilson.  And that team did not lack talent.  Heck, we still don't have a passing game/WR coach, or that senior assistant.

4) Saleh seems like he is increasingly feeding us BS.  Witness the Hackett press conference.  I for one thinking he was spotting MLF a favor, and will be going west in a year.

5) Witness Q's stupid tweet.  

6) Breece will be back, but think we won't see his best, barring another injury, until 2024.  Similar to Saquon.  As a shift runner, would be surprised we see full explosiveness 10 months post injury.  

7) The oline sucks, no offense to AVT who is awesome.  I even think Becton will be better (contract year).  But no center, maybe we got Mitchell on the right side, and we'll see if Laken decides to show up this year.  Oh, and no depth at all.

8. We were relatively injury free on defense this year, particularly at CB.  Not sure we can assume that would be the case next year.

9.  The front office is getting leaky again.  Whatever you think of Tony Pauline, he wasn't making sh*t up.  Someone's gabbing. Usually precedes a clean-out. 

Which leaves us with a very slim margin for error.  If the losing starts, it will go downhill quickly. 

All this makes me sense that we are in one of those rinse/repeat cycles where we'll be cleaning house next year.  Harbaugh?  Payton?  Who you got?

Only pathetic SOJFs would call for firing  a GM days after two of his picks were named offensive and defensive rookie of the year. 

[k-met57]

38 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Even with a bandaid solution with Aaron Rodgers or Derek Care, it's increasingly looking like we'll be cleaning house next year.  Witness:

1) Given our cap situation, how do you retain Q and sign Carr/Rodgers/Garropollo. 

2) Assuming the above happens, What scraps are left to rebuild the oline and replace departing FA's (e.g. Quincy Williams) on D?  And oh yeah, we might be down a draft pick or two.

3) Some modicum of continuity seemed possible by retaining MLF and bringing in a QB/passing game coordinator.  Fast forward a week or two, MLF is hired by McVay, who knows nothing about offense, and we are left with Nathaniel Hackett coming in off an atrocious season with Russell Wilson.  And that team did not lack talent.  Heck, we still don't have a passing game/WR coach, or that senior assistant.

4) Saleh seems like he is increasingly feeding us BS.  Witness the Hackett press conference.  I for one thinking he was spotting MLF a favor, and will be going west in a year.

5) Witness Q's stupid tweet.  

6) Breece will be back, but think we won't see his best, barring another injury, until 2024.  Similar to Saquon.  As a shift runner, would be surprised we see full explosiveness 10 months post injury.  

7) The oline sucks, no offense to AVT who is awesome.  I even think Becton will be better (contract year).  But no center, maybe we got Mitchell on the right side, and we'll see if Laken decides to show up this year.  Oh, and no depth at all.

8. We were relatively injury free on defense this year, particularly at CB.  Not sure we can assume that would be the case next year.

9.  The front office is getting leaky again.  Whatever you think of Tony Pauline, he wasn't making sh*t up.  Someone's gabbing. Usually precedes a clean-out. 

Which leaves us with a very slim margin for error.  If the losing starts, it will go downhill quickly. 

All this makes me sense that we are in one of those rinse/repeat cycles where we'll be cleaning house next year.  Harbaugh?  Payton?  Who you got?

i am not reading this crap considering if we get rodgers we prob win 12 games next year.

[Zachtomims47]

Lol everyone and everything sucks! Clean house! 

[Darnold's Forehead]

The wheels already came off.  We lost 6 games in a row and missed the playoffs.  It’s time to find a QB and compete to make them.  Everything else is just fluff all teams deal with.

The defense will look fine or better with a QB/offense that is actually capable of scoring.  QB & OL must be addressed.

[JetsFanatic]

35 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

What team do you watch? 

😆 

[JiF]

[rangerous]

38 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The one that lost 6 games in a row to end the season.

The doltfins?

[southparkcpa]

39 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The one that lost 6 games in a row to end the season.

and hasn't been above 500 since 2015.