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IMO signing Rodgers is jumping the shark. We need to trade or release Davis, JFM and we should have enough money to sign Q, maybe sign an offensive weapon and sign a mid-tier QB. Look at all of the really good teams that did okay with a mid-tier QB - or even Mr. Irrelevant.

Sending picks and spending 40 million/year for an aging QB who has run other coaches out of town and hasn't been winning just doesn't make any sense to me.

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38 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Perhaps there was some buzz regarding the Jets and Hurts but I don’t recall. They could have selected him if they hadn’t traded back and taken….Denzel Mims.

Nobody is talking up the 2020 draft, but Hurts seems like a strange choice to complain about.  The Eagles deserve praise for selecting him, but consensus-wise he went pretty early.  Hard to fault teams for passing on him.  Particularly when they were still in "rescue Darnold" mode.

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22 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Nobody is talking up the 2020 draft, but Hurts seems like a strange choice to complain about.  The Eagles deserve praise for selecting him, but consensus-wise he went pretty early.  Hard to fault teams for passing on him.  Particularly when they were still in "rescue Darnold" mode.

I’ve pretty much reached the point where if a QB gets selected and turns out to be good and the Jets had an opportunity to draft him then it’s on the GM for not doing his job. 

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2 hours ago, Tranquilo said:

The Bengals almost lost to the Ravens a few games ago. Even the Raiders almost beat them in the playoffs last year. They're not some juggernaut. 

This non-juggernaut is miles ahead of the Jets is the point. 

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2 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

This goes back to my exact point, who in the building knows what the hell they are doing with the QB position.

When we selected ZW, who was evaluating him? Obviously scouts did, but you need way more than just scouts to evaluate the QB. You need a HC or someone on the Offensive staff who knows what they are looking at, and how the player fits into what they want to do offensively. 

I remember reading back at the draft that Saleh could not go to evaluate ZW personally, and MLF did and spoke highly of him, 

JD has no history with the QB position to fall back on.

If the Jets are serious about getting a QB, they need to bring someone into the fold who knows what they are doing with the QB, we still don't have that as far as I can tell.

 

Douglas was the guy pushing for the Ravens to take Flacco.

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The Packers are completely screwed with this contract.  They basically have to get someone to assume a $110mm obligation to pay Aaron Rodgers over two years.  That is just crazy, but Rodgers has the Packers where he wants them.  They can't cut him or they basically can't field a team in 2023.  

The Jets would crazy to assume that contract, and I don't know why Rodgers would agree to amend it, other than him wanting out.

What this requires is multiple games of chicken and large cajones.   Given his age the Jets should be on the hook for paying Rodgers $40mm/year, for three years if he wants to play for three years, with a forward looking injury guaranty.  For that we will pay a 2nd in 2023 and 1st in 2024 if we make the playoffs in 2023.  That sounds fair to me.

To get there, the Jets will need to release an assortment of good but overpaid players.  

This is a big gamble on the Jets/JD's part.  The long term sustainable success plan is out the window.  

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2 hours ago, bitonti said:

how can the wheels fall off of a last place team? 

the wheels were never on

i know we watched them win like 5 games against backup QBs but the Jets can't "fall from grace" they never had any achievements to begin with 

this team is about as good (or bad) as it was in Gase's first year

you are what your record says you are - they are a 7 win team

 

This team looked different with Breece Hall, and they beat Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers fair and square

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44 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I’ve pretty much reached the point where if a QB gets selected and turns out to be good and the Jets had an opportunity to draft him then it’s on the GM for not doing his job. 

We also need to make sure if we select someone, we have the right people in the building to bring them along. Most QB's need coaching and NFL development. Selection and development go hand and hand

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16 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

This team looked different with Breece Hall, and they beat Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers fair and square

Yeah that happened 

Then the patriots broke their spirit in the 10 - 3 game and they lost 7 of their last 8. Finished in last place. Again. No playoffs for 12 years. 

The OP says the wheels fell off that's a fair way to describe the state of the franchise 

 

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6 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Too many missed picks. No one has stuck really via FA. Most notably Tomlinson and Davis being busts. No quarterback obviously. Rodgers isn’t coming here. Oline is a mess. Best player coming off of ACL. This was the off-season to reset again. Now you have Douglas in desperation mode.

Adding to the FA part of your thread, do not add a free agent from the Bengals

whoever they replace him with will be the better player. When we signed Lawson,

idiot experts, Nania  &  Blewett were saying how much better he was than their

replacement Hendrickson. We know how that turned out. This year the fat bald

headed genius solved our TE problem by signing Uzomah. The senile product

of nepotism  signed Haden  Hurst at one third his salary

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59 minutes ago, hmhertz said:

Adding to the FA part of your thread, do not add a free agent from the Bengals

whoever they replace him with will be the better player. When we signed Lawson,

idiot experts, Nania  &  Blewett were saying how much better he was than their

replacement Hendrickson. We know how that turned out. This year the fat bald

headed genius solved our TE problem by signing Uzomah. The senile product

of nepotism  signed Haden  Hurst at one third his salary

Hurst sucks

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3 hours ago, bostonmajet said:

IMO signing Rodgers is jumping the shark. We need to trade or release Davis, JFM and we should have enough money to sign Q, maybe sign an offensive weapon and sign a mid-tier QB. Look at all of the really good teams that did okay with a mid-tier QB - or even Mr. Irrelevant.

Sending picks and spending 40 million/year for an aging QB who has run other coaches out of town and hasn't been winning just doesn't make any sense to me.

Define who is a mid tier QB????  To me that would be Carr or Garrapalo.

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27 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Agreed. Breece was so good he covered up Zach's weakness although, you could still see it.  We looked away as long as we won.

Man. How good must a RB be in today’s game to carry the #34 rated QB?

Good health, Breece.

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4 hours ago, Matt39 said:

I’ve pretty much reached the point where if a QB gets selected and turns out to be good and the Jets had an opportunity to draft him then it’s on the GM for not doing his job. 

why just stick to QB?

 how about if any player get picked anywhere in the draft and the Jets ddnt pick him it’s on the GM for not doing his job?

is that too much to ask? for the Jets to hit on any player? 

if next year 1st round pick is not an all pro like sauce the Jets should clean house , I can send them my cleaning lady to help 

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3 minutes ago, fusionCA said:

why just stick to QB?

 how about if any player get picked anywhere in the draft and the Jets ddnt pick him it’s on the GM for not doing his job?

is that too much to ask? for the Jets to hit on any player? 

if next year 1st round pick is not an all pro like sauce the Jets should clean house , I can send them my cleaning lady to help 

The amount of excuses our fanbase makes for losing is something 

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4 hours ago, Matt39 said:

I’ve pretty much reached the point where if a QB gets selected and turns out to be good and the Jets had an opportunity to draft him then it’s on the GM for not doing his job. 

That sounds more like a “you problem” and less of a GM problem.

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10 hours ago, Tranquilo said:

R-E-L-A-X

plenty relaxed, been watching this story for 40 years, doesn't stress me out anymore.  Is what it is.  I would argue only Parcells seemed to have a real plan, but unfortunately he always got restless, and then well, Bellichick and the napkin.  Rex had some of the intangibles but was a freaking mess.  Other than that, meh. 

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7 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Well we need to sign Huff, and a Carr or Rodgers takes all of that easy $40 million and that is without extending Q or signing Huff. We are fine without the huge QB contract but it gets pretty tight if we do

Rodgers cap hit would be $16 million. Guess is any team trading for Carr will restructure his contract, likely bringing his cap hit down to ~$15 million as well

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11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This is just factually incorrect.

There is zero cap problem fitting any veteran QB and both QW brothers. There’s room for all 3 and more.

It’s a matter of choosing if the team would rather have an expensive veteran QB or a few other 8-figure/year veterans (Tomlinson, Lawson, and a couple more) whose production isn’t nearly up to par with their compensation and/or team needs.

That’s on top of the ease of backloading plenty of 2023 hits to 2024 when the team will/should be staring at some $125MM with a QW extension paid for (but before adding a new QB or anyone else). That figure is way too much room to save for one offseason.

Rams fit Stafford kupp donaldson and a bunch of other high priced dudes but we can’t have Q and Carr… riiiight

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3 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

Define who is a mid tier QB????  To me that would be Carr or Garrapalo.

Not a huge Jimmy G fan, but sure - Carr sure... he is certainly young enough with a lot to prove... Even a QB like Tannehill. Reasonably young and decent is probably good enough - especially if we get our OL fixed and Hackett isn't a total waste...

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