Who is your first choice to come in and QB this team?

[jgb]

4 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Eh?  Who is saying this, it should be totally opposite if you ask me, if people want Rodgers that is good for wilson so why would they want carr instead?

Yeah Rodgers leaves a sliver of hope for BYU to have an opportunity to make something of himself as a member of the Jets. Carr ends that opportunity for all practical purposes.

[jgb]

8 hours ago, football guy said:

The fact that people would rather Derek Carr over Aaron Rodgers for reasons that involve Zach Wilson is absolutely mindblowing lol. It’s as if people’s bias against the player runs so deep that they would be willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces

I am biased for sure. That bias is against horrendous football performance.

[Warfish]

11 minutes ago, jgb said:

Yeah Rodgers leaves a sliver of hope for BYU to have an opportunity to make something of himself as a member of the Jets.

Does he? If Rodgers plays a minimum of two years that puts the Jets at decision time for the 5th year option. With what we’ve seen to date, there would be no reason on earth to take up that option, meaning Zach would be gone.

IMO there is no “Rodgers helps Zach” scenario realistically speaking, other than just keeping him off the field.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Does he? If Rodgers plays a minimum of two years that puts the Jets at decision time for the 5th year option. With what we’ve seen to date, there would be no reason on earth to take up that option, meaning Zach would be gone.

IMO there is no “Rodgers helps Zach” scenario realistically speaking, other than just keeping him off the field.

Hence why I used the term “sliver of hope.”

[mrcoops]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Does he? If Rodgers plays a minimum of two years that puts the Jets at decision time for the 5th year option. With what we’ve seen to date, there would be no reason on earth to take up that option, meaning Zach would be gone.

IMO there is no “Rodgers helps Zach” scenario realistically speaking, other than just keeping him off the field.

Yup. I don't see any way, under a scenario where a vet is brought in to start, that the Jets can activate the 5th year option for Wilson. He will be a FA after 2024 and, most likely, will opt to leave for a fresh start.

[32EBoozer]

14 hours ago, rangerous said:

I’m going with Rodgers. As others have said, he’ll give the jets time to continue to develop zwilson while still giving the rest of the team to make some serious noise in the playoffs.  Trading for Rodgers will hurt a bit because it’ll take some draft picks. In a sense it’s too bad that it will be a short term option but if zwilson can take over then it will be worth it.  I do think the jets will also need to draft a qb to make sure zwilson is kept honest.

For this plan to realistically take place, ZW 5th year option would need to be exercised after the ‘23 season. Determining that from practices alone would be a tough call for JD

[32EBoozer]

27 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Does he? If Rodgers plays a minimum of two years that puts the Jets at decision time for the 5th year option. With what we’ve seen to date, there would be no reason on earth to take up that option, meaning Zach would be gone.

IMO there is no “Rodgers helps Zach” scenario realistically speaking, other than just keeping him off the field.

You guy’s were ahead of me with my response to @rangerous No way this AR groom Zach plan works

23 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Yup. I don't see any way, under a scenario where a vet is brought in to start, that the Jets can activate the 5th year option for Wilson. He will be a FA after 2024 and, most likely, will opt to leave for a fresh start.

 

[fltflo]

To those of you who think Rogers is some kind of Savior for Zack, where have you been for the last two years?
Zach has all the physical tools to be a great quarterback yet, he lacks the most important tool, the one that lies between his ears.
A good example of a QB who is progressing in his second year of course is Lawrence. If you look at where he is finishing his second year compared to Zack, it’s night and day. Then take into consideration Zack was picked right behind him and the thought of salvaging him seems absurd.
So getting Rogers for Zak sake is really ridiculous.


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[rangerous]

46 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

For this plan to realistically take place, ZW 5th year option would need to be exercised after the ‘23 season. Determining that from practices alone would be a tough call for JD

that may be.  but if they are that high zwilson's ability then maybe it all works.  people can do a lot of growing up in a year.  i think the rodgers scenario gives these young good players a chance to win now.  i don't see it as much with carr.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

Anyone preferring Carr over Rodgers because of a fear of ZW needs their head examined, its one of the more idiotic takes on JN, congrats for getting to that level

[Bugg]

15 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Rodgers because Zach gets another shot in two years

Exactly why Carr is a better choice.

Want a stake through the heart of any chance Wilson ever gets behind center here ever again. Didn't like the pick, and have come to despise him completely. 

If you could promise Rodgers would be here for a minimum of 2 seasons, might think he's a better choice. Concern is if things go sideways, Rodgers might retire in a fit of pique. Guy pushing 40 who has his place in Canton firmly locked up is gonna inevitably look at the door.

Further, this whole Rodgers "mentoring" Wilson thing; a crock of sheet. Montana treated Steve Young like a mushroom, if with less decency. Rodgers hismelf wasn't shown any special insight by Favre. Either QBs get it, or they don't. And Wilson will never get it. 

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

You guy’s were ahead of me with my response to @rangerous No way this AR groom Zach plan works

 

Fresh start; working the counter @Jet Blue at SLC? 

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

For this plan to realistically take place, ZW 5th year option would need to be exercised after the ‘23 season. Determining that from practices alone would be a tough call for JD

Not really; Zach Wilson sucks and is never gonna be an NFL QB. Nobody is lining up to write him any big checks in free agency. 

[Bugg]

15 hours ago, bitonti said:

Before the sf playoff game in GB, Jimmy G had never started a game under 40 degrees. But Jimmy G went to college in Illinois and lived/practiced in New England for years. 

Then Jimmy G won that game, which was played in the snow. It's a bit different compared to Carr who has lost like 6 or 7 times 

Jimmy G knows the offense and won't be super expensive. Signing him also keeps new England from resigning him cause they are reported to be interested too 

Understand the point. But have the Jets played a mess of games in really cold weather last few years? Jets/Lions was probably 35/40 degrees but weather wasn't a factor. Jets/Jags wasn't that cold but was a mess of rain and wind. And sadly not like the Jets have played a mess of late January home playoff games. Think it's a nonissue for Carr, simply an odd thing. 

[Xtina]

16 hours ago, JETSY14 said:

mike F'ing White

Point point point point point 

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

Exactly why Carr is a better choice.

Want a stake through the heart of any chance Wilson ever gets behind center here ever again. Didn't like the pick, and have come to despise him completely. 

If you could promise Rodgers would be here for a minimum of 2 seasons, might think he's a better choice. Concern is if things go sideways, Rodgers might retire in a fit of pique. Guy pushing 40 who has his place in Canton firmly locked up is gonna inevitably look at the door.

Further, this whole Rodgers "mentoring" Wilson thing; a crock of sheet. Montana treated Steve Young like a mushroom, if with less decency. Rodgers hismelf wasn't shown any special insight by Favre. Either QBs get it, or they don't. And Wilson will never get it. 

I doubt JD would go into any deal where he was getting screwed by a surprise retirement.

I also think he’s married to the idea that Zach is salvageable and this would be his preferred way to go.

But yeah even if Rodgers was a mentor the odds of Zach getting it are pretty low. I just wanted to post my response immediately after JGB but someone snuck between us.

[football guy]

11 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Eh?  Who is saying this, it should be totally opposite if you ask me, if people want Rodgers that is good for wilson so why would they want carr instead?

The fact that Rodgers would be good for Wilson is just an added advantage, but I've read and heard fans on here/radio waves who seem to suggest they would rather have Carr because it's less of a chance of seeing Wilson play again lol. That's why I say its cutting off one's nose to spite their face

[JohnnyLV]

My preference would be to completely reset at the QB position and not chase fools gold in Rodgers.

My plan:

Trade Zach

Don't re-sign White.

Bring in a mid-tier veteran.

Draft a QB ( I would rather use draft picks to move up than to use them on a 1 year rental of Rodgers, which I think will be a gigantic mistake.)

Continue to try and develop Zach.

 

 

[Icer]

Rodgers is the only QB that can get this team to the Super Bowl as currently constructed.

[PepPep]

Salary and draft compensation aside- Rodgers is the better QB. 

Carr is younger and if he hits FA you don't have to give up draft capital. But Carr would also be a bigger commitment, for better or worse. There's more of a 'sink or swim' element with Carr. 

If I'm the Jets I go after Carr because I would really like to have a longer term solution. I think Rodgers gives us two seasons MAX for a shot at the SB. And he might retire after one season. We just don't know. Carr would be a Jet for min. 3 years, IMO. And if things go well, who knows, he may retire a Jet.     

[football guy]

6 hours ago, jgb said:

Yeah Rodgers leaves a sliver of hope for BYU to have an opportunity to make something of himself as a member of the Jets. Carr ends that opportunity for all practical purposes.

Whether its Carr or Rodgers the approach doesn't change. Their approach to developing Wilson will remain the same this year. If Wilson gives them reason to believe he can be salvaged as a potential franchise QB, they would happily let either of them walk; the only difference would be that Rodgers would likely retire after two years whereas Carr would get cut/traded. If Wilson did not give them reason to believe he can be salvaged, they would likely try to convince those players to return in 2025 or find a different QB to replace them. 

Settling for Carr because you don't want Wilson to have any chance of getting an "opportunity" to "potentially" be the team's QB in the future is cutting off your nose to spite your face; its one of the more irrational arguments I can think of. If you're logic is that you feel Carr is a younger player who can develop into a long-term franchise QB, that's a far more rational argument.

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

Whether its Carr or Rodgers the approach doesn't change. Their approach to developing Wilson will remain the same this year. If Wilson gives them reason to believe he can be salvaged as a potential franchise QB, they would happily let either of them walk; the only difference would be that Rodgers would likely retire after two years whereas Carr would get cut/traded. If Wilson did not give them reason to believe he can be salvaged, they would likely try to convince those players to return in 2025 or find a different QB to replace them. 

Settling for Carr because you don't want Wilson to have any chance of getting an "opportunity" to "potentially" be the team's QB in the future is cutting off your nose to spite your face; its one of the more irrational arguments I can think of. If you're logic is that you feel Carr is a younger player who can develop into a long-term franchise QB, that's a far more rational argument.

So Wilson will spend the off-season in NJ and not Utah?

[PepPep]

9 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

My preference would be to completely reset at the QB position and not chase fools gold in Rodgers.

My plan:

Trade Zach

Don't re-sign White.

Bring in a mid-tier veteran.

Draft a QB ( I would rather use draft picks to move up than to use them on a 1 year rental of Rodgers, which I think will be a gigantic mistake.)

Continue to try and develop Zach.

 

 

Who would you draft and what would you be willing to give up? I think that is critical in this analysis. There are probably 7 teams ahead of us right now who COULD potentially draft a QB. Are you talking about moving up to #1 overall? Are you talking about moving up to 5 or 6 and most likely taking the 3rd best QB on the board- after Houston and Indy had their pick of QBs? I would imagine a jump from 13 to 6 would cost us A LOT. Way more than what Rodgers would cost in a trade, that is for sure! Is the 3rd QB on the board worth it? 

Are you waiting to see who drops to 13? Again, 7 teams could potentially take QBs ahead of us. We could end up with diddly squat.   

Just wondering what exactly the strategy is because Rodgers is far from fools gold, he's a proven commodity. The draft is fools gold. Its a complete crapshoot. We've seen this time and time again. And I keep coming back to this but why do people assume we will somehow be giving up this massive boatload of draft capital for Rodgers? 1st rounders and such. Nobody is giving up 1st round picks for a QB who is about to retire, is owed a bunch of money and wants out of his current situation. 

[slimjasi]

7 hours ago, Warfish said:

Does he? If Rodgers plays a minimum of two years that puts the Jets at decision time for the 5th year option. With what we’ve seen to date, there would be no reason on earth to take up that option, meaning Zach would be gone.

IMO there is no “Rodgers helps Zach” scenario realistically speaking, other than just keeping him off the field.

I have a tough time seeing Rodgers playing two years here - my guess is he would be a one year rental. So I think the argument could be that the jets would look to give Zach an opportunity in 2024 after Rodgers moves on. 

but I agree that if Rodgers actually plays here two years, Zach is done here. 

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I have a tough time seeing Rodgers playing two years here - my guess is he would be a one year rental. So I think the argument could be that the jets would look to give Zach an opportunity in 2024 after Rodgers moves on. 

but I agree that if Rodgers actually plays here two years, Zach is done here. 

If it's a one year rental, I don't think you make the deal.

Minimum of commitment to two full seasons, better yet three, or screw it, it just isn't worth it for one shot at maybe the playoffs.  

 

[JiFtheOracle]

21 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Probably under it according to jIF

he's matured, allegedly 

https://deadspin.com/blake-bortles-says-hes-no-longer-a-beach-bar-bro-but-r-1823715590

[football guy]

39 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

So Wilson will spend the off-season in NJ and not Utah?

The expectation is that NJ will be his "home base" March onward. He'll make trips back and forth (his QB coach will as well) but the anticipation is he'll spend more time "working out" at the facility

[Flea Flicking Frank]

1 hour ago, football guy said:

The fact that Rodgers would be good for Wilson is just an added advantage, but I've read and heard fans on here/radio waves who seem to suggest they would rather have Carr because it's less of a chance of seeing Wilson play again lol. That's why I say its cutting off one's nose to spite their face

Its only the dumbest of the dumb saying things like that

[56mehl56]

50 minutes ago, PepPep said:

Salary and draft compensation aside- Rodgers is the better QB. 

Carr is younger and if he hits FA you don't have to give up draft capital. But Carr would also be a bigger commitment, for better or worse. There's more of a 'sink or swim' element with Carr. 

If I'm the Jets I go after Carr because I would really like to have a longer term solution. I think Rodgers gives us two seasons MAX for a shot at the SB. And he might retire after one season. We just don't know. Carr would be a Jet for min. 3 years, IMO. And if things go well, who knows, he may retire a Jet.     

Why would Carr represent a larger commitment , they would be entering into a new contract agreement with him. The Jets could incentivize it with bonuses and  upfront money with team options for years 3 and beyond. The question is would Carr agree to that ? Because its a new contract they have more leeway for structuring . 

[Jethead]

Do we get diva, ahole A-Rod or good teammate, standard setter A-Rd? If their the same guy, I pass. Downside is = to or > upside. Favre redux, no thanks.

Carr is a good QB and a team guy all the way.  Gets my vote.

Tannehill is also acceptable. We are a competitive team with him at QB.

[THE BARON]

22 hours ago, pointman said:

I'd love to hear your opinions. Learn me, wise ones. No wrong answers except for Mike Glennon, Mike White, and that washed bum from wisconsin. 

Joe Burrow.  Can we get him when he turns 40 ???

[jgb]

1 hour ago, football guy said:

Whether its Carr or Rodgers the approach doesn't change. Their approach to developing Wilson will remain the same this year. If Wilson gives them reason to believe he can be salvaged as a potential franchise QB, they would happily let either of them walk; the only difference would be that Rodgers would likely retire after two years whereas Carr would get cut/traded. If Wilson did not give them reason to believe he can be salvaged, they would likely try to convince those players to return in 2025 or find a different QB to replace them. 

Settling for Carr because you don't want Wilson to have any chance of getting an "opportunity" to "potentially" be the team's QB in the future is cutting off your nose to spite your face; its one of the more irrational arguments I can think of. If your logic is that you feel Carr is a younger player who can develop into a long-term franchise QB, that's a far more rational argument.

No. I’m saying Jets need a long term answer at QB and if Jets place value on one player over the other because he is short term and thus leaves a window open for BYU, it is dumb.

[mrcoops]

29 minutes ago, Jethead said:

Tannehill is also acceptable. We are a competitive team with him at QB.

Tannehill is a much better QB than he generally gets credit for.  He's my preferred fall-back option if the big moves for a Rodgers or Carr don't come to pass.

[football guy]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

No. I’m saying Jets need a long term answer at QB and if Jets place value on one player over the other because he is short term and thus leaves a window open for BYU, it is dumb.

They want Zach to be the long-term option but it will not be given to him. They are treating 2023 as a clean slate, and want to move forward with him as if he were a flawed yet talented 23-year-old rookie. They will look to use this year to allow him to develop, with a decision on his long-term future coming at a later date. If he shows significant improvement, they will look to keep him and potentially give him an opportunity to be the long-term starter in 2025 or earlier. If he doesn't show significant improvement, they will go find someone else. 

I cannot comprehend what is so dumb about that strategy. 

[#27TheDominator]

Just now, football guy said:

They want Zach to be the long-term option but it will not be given to him. They are treating 2023 as a clean slate, and want to move forward with him as if he were a flawed yet talented 23-year-old rookie. They will look to use this year to allow him to develop, with a decision on his long-term future coming at a later date. If he shows significant improvement, they will look to keep him and potentially give him an opportunity to be the long-term starter in 2025 or earlier. If he doesn't show significant improvement, they will go find someone else. 

I cannot comprehend what is so dumb about that strategy. 

2025?  That would be dumb.  They are going to pick up his 5th year option before he is a real starter?