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16 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Yeah I mean when you break 200 yards passing 2 times the entire season why wouldn't you be calling that a franchise QB.

yeah yeah he also rushed for 1163 yards 10 td this season 

tearing down Fields doesn't make Zach any better by the way 

 

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9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

yeah yeah he also rushed for 1163 yards 10 td this season 

tearing down Fields doesn't make Zach any better by the way 

 

10 rushing TDs is impressive. 
 

Derrick Henry had 13 - maybe the Titans have their replacement for Tannehill already on the roster? 

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5 hours ago, Leftylarry said:

Lots of high end QB prospects.

I'd say decent prospects with pretty significant warts on each of them.

Young lacks prototypical Size and frame has no rushing upside. Great production though.

Levis has prototypical size and lacks a high end processor (ie one read QB) and never really produced at the college level. Just played against the SEC and many people seem to think playing poorly against good SEC competition is somehow a good thing. Citing his team was not good he should not be judged on his production... I disagree and think he is plain bad.

Stroud is being judged on the opposite curve in that his team was so good people are discounting his production. However he did this at Ohio State playing against top end competition not at BYU playing against JV teams.

For me Stroud and Young are pretty close and the only QBs worthy of an early first even if i dont think they are the greatest prospects.

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7 hours ago, BurntDice said:

It’s so hard to tell which qb will be successful in the nfl. Guys on all star college teams like Alabama and Ohio State usually have much better talent than the competition which hides their flaws. In the nfl the talent different is much smaller 

Very hard to tell.

10+ years ago, was Leinart good cause he was good at USC or because of what was around him?

3 years ago.  Is Burrow good cause he's good, or because of the insane talent at LSU?

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7 hours ago, JiFields said:

Not shocking though, Fields is a superstar and would easily be the #1 overall pick in this class.  He blows all these dweebs out of the water.  The only one who even remotely holds a candle to his athleticism is Richardson and he's a huge wild card that you're hoping you can develop. The rest are just ho-hum boring ass prospects that dont have a shred of Fields talent. 

The shocking part is the Bears making a good decision at QB.

You mean some of us who wanted to draft Fields might have been right..... ;)

 

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4 hours ago, bitonti said:

yeah yeah he also rushed for 1163 yards 10 td this season 

tearing down Fields doesn't make Zach any better by the way 

 

I'm not tearing down Fields at all. I'm just not a fan of QB's who run more than they pass for many different reasons . He's an amazing athlete but he's not the guy nor is any running QB who is going to bring you back in a playoff game if you happen to get behind and he's not the guy winning a SB, history has taught us this 100% of the time so that's my point. Its also easy for a QB to run the ball since they are always spotted 10 + yards on every run due to the circumstance of players having to drop in coverage.

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10 hours ago, Jetty said:

Would you say they fall in the Trevor Lawrence category or Zach Wilson category? Bc I haven’t heard much about any of them outside of Stroud.

The Zach Wilson category? Well I suppose Levis is very overrated because of some physical tools. 

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10 hours ago, JiFields said:

Not shocking though, Fields is a superstar and would easily be the #1 overall pick in this class.  He blows all these dweebs out of the water.  The only one who even remotely holds a candle to his athleticism is Richardson and he's a huge wild card that you're hoping you can develop. The rest are just ho-hum boring ass prospects that dont have a shred of Fields talent. 

The shocking part is the Bears making a good decision at QB.

Hey Joe Douglas, GFY

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8 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

Superstar?! He's a gifted running QB that so far has shown he can't throw in the NFL. Unless he picks up his game inside the pocket he won't last very long. No team needs a QB that runs for over a 100 yards in games - it can't be sustained. I'm a bit surprised they are trading the pick, especially if the three QBs are really good. They must not have graded out that well to the Bears.

This BS again?

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8 hours ago, Paradis said:

Yes. That was the college assessment. Totally. Smh 

Also, if you possessed Grade AAAAAAAAA stock genes athletically and were throwing to guys who we wouldn't noticed if they switched Jerseys at half time - you'd probably fcking tuck the ball and sprint too. He was left for dead in that offense in 2022...

When is it going to end? 

The day people stop making half assed, uninformed opinions .... so never. 

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6 hours ago, bitonti said:

yeah yeah he also rushed for 1163 yards 10 td this season 

tearing down Fields doesn't make Zach any better by the way 

 

It's funny how this is the standard reply on these forums about anything and everything when a person cannot defend their argument.

"But what about Zac he is awful!" which the vast majority of the time has zero to do with the thing being discussed at the time.

Feel free to refute the awful passing stats, horrible sack totals and gross turnover ratio as well as the 5 wins in two years.....:but but....zac wilson is bad!"

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11 hours ago, JiFields said:

Not shocking though, Fields is a superstar and would easily be the #1 overall pick in this class.  He blows all these dweebs out of the water.  The only one who even remotely holds a candle to his athleticism is Richardson and he's a huge wild card that you're hoping you can develop. The rest are just ho-hum boring ass prospects that dont have a shred of Fields talent. 

The shocking part is the Bears making a good decision at QB.

JD must have converted prior to the draft and became a Mormon. Its the only explanation for taking Wilson over Fields.  I feel like breaking JD like a pretzel every time I see Fields make a big play.

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11 hours ago, Leftylarry said:

I know I am in the minority but things change quickly with young QBs and new OCs , I am in no way giving up on Zach Wilson, I feel very confident, the knee surgery hurt his development and the former OC was a cancer on the entire offense.

that doesn't explain throwing balls into the ground on 10 yard passes. I'll let you light the candle waiting for Zach.  I'm hopping they ship him out to back up Love in Green Bay.

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2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

5 wins in two years.....:but but....zac wilson is bad!"

"Wins are a qb stat" that's what everyone around here said when the Jets were 5-2

And yes we agree it is unfortunate everything is always about Zach. That's what happens lebowski

He's a human disaster 

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11 hours ago, Beerfish said:

10 out of 17 games with less than 15 completions.

Threw for over 200 yards TWICE in the whole year!  (208, 254 his top number)  Zac Wilson in his limited time had 4 and two games over 300 yards.

A monumental 55 sacks this past year.

16 fumbles this past year!

Worse interception % rate than Zac Wilson

Hey Fields has promise for sure but he is also a huge question mark off his first two years of play.  Take away the gaudy running stats this past year and he is beyond horrible.

People are acting as if he is already a franchise guy before he is even remotely close to being a good NFL QB.  He has won 5 career nfl games in two years.

Justin Fields Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
60.4
2,242
17
11
85.2
 
2021
58.9
1,870
7
10
73.2
 
Career
 
59.7
4,112
24
21
79.7

 

Zach Wilson Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
54.5
1,688
6
7
72.8
 
2021
55.6
2,334
9
11
69.7
 
Career
 
55.2
4,022
15
18
70.9

 

Mac Jones Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
65.2
2,997
14
11
84.8
 
2021
67.6
3,801
22
13
92.5
 
Career
 
66.5
6,798
36
24
89.0

 

Bolded is the better stat.

Order we should have gone after TL

Jones

Fields

Mills

Not Zach

 
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42 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:
Justin Fields Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
60.4
2,242
17
11
85.2
 
2021
58.9
1,870
7
10
73.2
 
Career
 
59.7
4,112
24
21
79.7

 

Zach Wilson Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
54.5
1,688
6
7
72.8
 
2021
55.6
2,334
9
11
69.7
 
Career
 
55.2
4,022
15
18
70.9

 

Mac Jones Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
65.2
2,997
14
11
84.8
 
2021
67.6
3,801
22
13
92.5
 
Career
 
66.5
6,798
36
24
89.0

 

Bolded is the better stat.

Order we should have gone after TL

Jones

Fields

Mills

Not Zach

 

Who gives a sh*t about zac wilson he is terrible.  So is Fields other than running this past year.  Mac Jones is no great shakes and he has been far better than Fields.

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9 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:
Justin Fields Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
60.4
2,242
17
11
85.2
 
2021
58.9
1,870
7
10
73.2
 
Career
 
59.7
4,112
24
21
79.7

 

Zach Wilson Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
54.5
1,688
6
7
72.8
 
2021
55.6
2,334
9
11
69.7
 
Career
 
55.2
4,022
15
18
70.9

 

Mac Jones Career stats
 
Year
Team
CMP%
YDS
TD
INT
Rating
 
2022
65.2
2,997
14
11
84.8
 
2021
67.6
3,801
22
13
92.5
 
Career
 
66.5
6,798
36
24
89.0

 

Bolded is the better stat.

Order we should have gone after TL

Jones

Fields

Mills

Not Zach

 

You are not taking into account that the Jets are a way more balanced team than the Bears, offensively and defensively especially in 2022. And Mac Jones sucks the big one which is why Belicheat wont let him throw a pass over 20 yards. 

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