Florio/PFT on Carr situation

[greenwave81]

11 hours ago, football guy said:

Agent rumor, but apparently Carr wants to go to Carolina. The whole NFC South will be in on him, but it’ll be interesting to see if Tennessee jumps in. Same agent told me Vrabel would go after him hard back in December—I placed a heavy wager on it so they better—but you have to wonder if they have the same perspective we do (hold out for Rodgers + backup plan > Carr). 

I really don’t anticipate there being a lot of mutual interest between us and he. It’s not about the city or anything like that either, just think the Jets really want Rodgers and would rather swing for that and settle for their backup plan > Carr and the kind of money/commitment/terms he’s going to seek. The only reason he’s even slightly open to a trade is to keep his contract + no trade/franchise clause 

I could see that, as Carr is a deeply religious guy and can see a landing spot in the South, all other things being equal, as his preferred landing spot. Tennessee too.

[fltflo]

it will be when jimmy g gets injured and zach wilson is starting 6-8 games next year

Or losing 6 to 8 games next year


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[Beerfish]

12 hours ago, football guy said:

Agent rumor, but apparently Carr wants to go to Carolina. The whole NFC South will be in on him, but it’ll be interesting to see if Tennessee jumps in. Same agent told me Vrabel would go after him hard back in December—I placed a heavy wager on it so they better—but you have to wonder if they have the same perspective we do (hold out for Rodgers + backup plan > Carr). 

I really don’t anticipate there being a lot of mutual interest between us and he. It’s not about the city or anything like that either, just think the Jets really want Rodgers and would rather swing for that and settle for their backup plan > Carr and the kind of money/commitment/terms he’s going to seek. The only reason he’s even slightly open to a trade is to keep his contract + no trade/franchise clause 

Just what is our back up plan?  Carr is going to probably go first off the board and if we are not after him he is gone, then if the rodgers thing does not work out we are screwed.  Also with each viable QB off the board the more power the packers have to put the screws to the jets.

[Barton]

18 hours ago, football guy said:

Another thing to add: the conspiracy theorist in me believes that Hackett and the Jets know something that they're unwilling to let on let on - including Rodgers. I think Rodgers was tiptoeing around the Hackett question on McAfee because they want to avoid any suspicion of tampering... everyone in the league has become more sensitive to it after the NFL came down hard on the Dolphins. It's part of the reason why there's such a hold up with the Carr situation as well. 

Alittle off topic, FG. But what have you heard on the Mike White front? Do the Jets want him back?  

[Peteo]

What is plan A for the Jets at QB?  Is it Carr or Rodgers or Jimmy G, or Zack, or someone else?

[TuscanyTile2]

Are we getting any Jet QB updates via the balloon?

 

[MARTIN]

AR will be a jet. We didn't eat sh!T for nothing. When rogers takes us to the promiseland, we can all look back at the Rams game and keep the chinese farmer story in mind. 

[football guy]

On 2/3/2023 at 9:48 PM, Beerfish said:

Just what is our back up plan?  Carr is going to probably go first off the board and if we are not after him he is gone, then if the rodgers thing does not work out we are screwed.  Also with each viable QB off the board the more power the packers have to put the screws to the jets.

Garoppolo to Vegas is no shoe-in. Apparently we are at the top of the list of teams he wants to play for

[JohnnyLV]

On 2/2/2023 at 5:35 AM, slats said:

This is what Florio is good at, imho. Sometimes he goes down conspiracy theory rabbit holes, but this one makes logical sense. 
 
In a nutshell, the Raiders can’t officially trade Carr before March, so any deal done would force them to take on Carr’s guarantee and then they’d need the other team to follow thru when the league year starts. Josh McDaniels might be afraid of getting Josh McDanieled. Raiders aren’t letting Carr seek a trade because they prefer that he doesn’t undermine what they might be able to get. Sees the Raiders committing to his guarantees and trading him later, possibly after June 1. He doesn’t mention it, but at that point they’d probably give Carr permission being that he has a no trade clause. 
 

 

Polian said this is what will happen. He also thinks Carr will agree to a reduced contract to be able to talk to teams. He has a no trade clause but not the ability to talk to teams so for him to find the right team he will lessen the hit to the Raiders. Polian said it was the exact same as the Mayfield situation. The "agree to compensation" bit we hear lately is probably a media red herring because no one will probably agree to what the Raiders want at this point. For me, all I can say is be VERY wary of players, especially older ones, that their current team does not want. Thinking Carr will perform like he did before is far far from a likelihood.

[Dcat]

On 2/3/2023 at 9:48 PM, Beerfish said:

Just what is our back up plan?  Carr is going to probably go first off the board and if we are not after him he is gone, then if the rodgers thing does not work out we are screwed.  Also with each viable QB off the board the more power the packers have to put the screws to the jets.

I'm guessing the backup Plan "C" is Jimmy G. Plans "D", "E", and "F.U. Jets fans"  would be somewhere along the lines of Dalton, Tannehill (assuming Carr goes to Tenn), Mayfield, or the like.

[varjet]

4 minutes ago, Dcat said:

I'm guessing the backup Plan C is Jimmy G. Plans D, E, and F.U.  would be somewhere along the lines of Dalton, Tannehill (assuming Carr goes to Tenn), Mayfield, or the like.

I think Mayfield would be a gas.  We should also try and get Rex back as a special assistant 

[Dcat]

2 minutes ago, varjet said:

I think Mayfield would be a gas.  We should also try and get Rex back as a special assistant 

special assistant to what?  Snacks, foot massages and upside down pineapples?

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, football guy said:

Garoppolo to Vegas is no shoe-in. Apparently we are at the top of the list of teams he wants to play for

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, football guy said:

Garoppolo to Vegas is no shoe-in. Apparently we are at the top of the list of teams he wants to play for

JG Cheaper than AR which would allow us to invest heavily in OL because…. well…. JG.

He gets us to the playoffs…. Uncertain if he can win the BIG GAMES in January/ February 

[TommyT]

On 2/4/2023 at 9:01 AM, Peteo said:

What is plan A for the Jets at QB?  Is it Carr or Rodgers or Jimmy G, or Zack, or someone else?

Zach is not even in the alphabet.

[Sam_S]

On 2/3/2023 at 12:51 PM, football guy said:

What I know:

• Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh want to balance a win-now short-term approach with their sustained success long-term approach; they don't simply want to sell out to win this year in effort of gaining job security. 
• There are people in the building who are convinced that Rodgers >>>>>> Garoppolo > Carr is the plan. Contrary to some speculation out there (cough cough Tony Pauline) Douglas is not openly flaunting his plan so I can't claim its coming from his mouth.
• Douglas views the Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen type QB as the blueprint of a "perfect" QB in this era of football because of their ability to perform inside-and-outside of structure. 
• Hackett was identified as someone they wanted to bring in the building very early on in the process, ideally as a senior advisor type, mainly due to his experience and work with Rodgers and how that kind of presence could help our QB room. It wasn't until later when he was identified as a preferred OC candidate because of all the boxes he checked for what they wanted in a coordinator. 
• Saleh identified Garoppolo as someone he "trusts" and "can win with" in meetings, and there are people with ties to the Jets who have openly argued that Jimmy G is a better option than Carr. 
• There is a 1-year/offseason "plan" for Zach to see if he can reset into an improved version of the player they had in his first training camp technically speaking while finding a level of "calmness" mentally by relearning the position and responsibilities at his own pace under new guidance (both veteran mentor and coaching). If they determine that his confidence/mindset is broken beyond repair, they will move on and find someone else like him who they can try to develop into a franchise player (Drake Maye is a name that has been mentioned who their scouts think highly of). 
• Woody Johnson very definitely wants a star QB because he truly believes the team can win a championship with the right guy at the helm, and money is no object to him.
• The Jets abandoned a few of their final interview requests to lock in a deal with Hackett. 
• The Jets and Packers have had talks and the Jets have been putting out enough signals to get Aaron's attention.
• I have not heard anything suggesting they have spoken to the Raiders. 

Collectively, they want to bring in a guy who can win now but won't require a mega long-term commitment because: (1) their long-term vision still involves identifying a young franchise QB capable of being a top 5-10 player at the position; (2) there is internal belief that bringing in a veteran that can win now will help Douglas/Saleh develop a young QB - whether it be Zach or someone else - without sacrificing the current window; and (3) they want to build "pipelines" at critical positions by drafting and developing talent with an eye at building a year-in, year-out, sustainable winner similar to Baltimore, Philadelphia, and now Buffalo. Douglas, Saleh, and LaFleur decided to draft Zach because they felt he had the ability to be an "Aaron Rodgers/Patrick Mahomes-type player" who can be an elite player that you can consistently win with because when fully developed, that guy can win inside-and-outside of structure. A guy like that can make up for roster deficiencies as the team seeks to rebuild/retool/reload every 3-4 years. 

What I think: 

Knowing all of the above and factoring in the overarching strategy/culture they're trying to build, I am absolutely convinced Rodgers is the guy. He's exactly who they had in mind when they drafted Zach #2 overall. He fits what all the major decision makers are looking for in a veteran QB so perfectly that I think they would rather hold out for him and settle for Jimmy G (who I know Saleh likes and that Jet staffers believe is behind door #2), rather than going for Carr as the safer alternative to Rodgers. Again, they want to find their version of a Mahomes/Allen type QB long-term whether its Wilson or someone else. Carr kind of prevents that because he's probably going to require more of a commitment than the others, which hamstrings their long-term plan. No one has told me this is Douglas's plan point-blank, but I know enough to make this kind of educated guess that I feel confident about

Edit: left out the coaching aspect of all this. Familiarity is a big thing in the NFL and Saleh is a major part of this decision... naturally there are a lot of ties between he/his staff to Rodgers and Garoppolo.

You should apologize to Tony Pauline by kissing his ass

[football guy]

23 minutes ago, Sam_S said:

You should apologize to Tony Pauline by kissing his ass

Thank you for reminding me how good of a read I had on this situation ?