Cimini: LaFleur and Rex Hogan pushed for Zach, said he was better than Lawrence

[T0mShane]

Cimini tossing up an autopsy of the Zach Wilson collapse. The usual stuff: Zach sucked, poor leader, receivers hated him, hurt by the Mike White love, etc. The three juiciest tidbits below (first one sounds like they come from Douglas himself): 

1. There was heated debate about Zach. The scouts who were skeptical of him thought he was a three year project who should sit. Allegedly, LaFleur and Rex Hogan banged the table for him. 
 

2. Douglas did turn down fat offers for the 2 pick. (the Jets have always claimed they “never talked to San Fran” about the pick). In a piece written about Jalen Hurts a few weeks ago, it was reported that the Eagles were desperate to come up for Zach, but Douglas refused, and that’s how the Eagles ended up with Hurts.

3. Zach had become a disaster in practice. One player saying that he only completed three passes in practice before the Denver game. 
 

Fun piece, if anyone still thinks Zach has a chance here. 
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35602882/why-zach-wilson-new-york-jets-career-taken-off

[freestater]

of course the guy who isn't here anymore is to blame. Zero accountability at One Jets Drive. 

[Sperm Edwards]

lmao

Zach buried LaFleur, who's the one who most wanted him in the first place.

The idea that he'd bang the table so hard for him and also not bang the table for a veteran in place, so Zach could sit for 1-3 years, seems pretty far-fetched.

Douglas followed the advice of the guy hired to run the offense. Turned down a wealth of picks, which it seems is normally a move he makes, and is now full of fat and regret as the OC isn't even here anymore but he's still left holding the Zach potato. 

[TommyT]

Hard Knocks is happy.

[32EBoozer]

4 minutes ago, freestater said:

of course the guy who isn't here anymore is to blame. Zero accountability at One Jets Drive. 

Rex Hogan is.

[Warfish]

5 minutes ago, freestater said:

of course the guy who isn't here anymore is to blame. Zero accountability at One Jets Drive. 

My first thought as well, yet more scapegoating/blame shifting to the guy not here to defend himself.

TBQH if I was one of the Jets crappy mostly-miss scouts, I'd probably want to blameshift to someone else too for selecting the worst QB bust in NFL history (to-date).

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

lmao

Zach buried LaFleur, who's the one who most wanted him in the first place.

The idea that he'd bang the table so hard for him and also not bang the table for a veteran in place, so Zach could sit for 1-3 years, seems pretty far-fetched.

Douglas followed the advice of the guy hired to run the offense. Turned down a wealth of picks, which it seems is normally a move he makes, and is now full of fat and regret as the OC isn't even here anymore but he's still left holding the Zach potato. 

Lots of inconsistencies with this story, though. LaFleur wanted him, but was also the guy pushing to bench him? And Douglas was powerless to 1. Not take a deal, 2. Trade Darnold two days after the Pro Day and 3. Not bring in a vet? Sounds like a lot of CYA over there

[slimjasi]

So much for that “poor Mikey had a bad QB forced on him“ narrative. 
 

on the other hand, not sure I really buy this. 
 

either way, Douglas made the pick. They all get blame until Zach magically figures it out or they are fired. 

[sourceworx]

12 minutes ago, freestater said:

of course the guy who isn't here anymore is to blame. Zero accountability at One Jets Drive. 

Rex Hogan is still in the front office.

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Lots of inconsistencies with this story, though. LaFleur wanted him, but was also the guy pushing to bench him? 

It’s certainly possible after watching him play for a year and a half.

[playtowinthegame]

We drafted John Beck with the No. 2 overall pick. lol

[bla bla bla]

This makes zero sense. We never had an option of taking Lawrence. In hindsight maybe you trade down and run it back with White for 2 years? Idk the right answer

[sourceworx]

This could all be true, but in the end the buck stops with JD. He makes the decisions in the end. 

[playtowinthegame]

3 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

This makes zero sense. We never had an option of taking Lawrence. In hindsight maybe you trade down and run it back with White for 2 years? Idk the right answer

You mean Sam Darnold right? Trade down in the 2021 NFL draft and run it back with Sam Darnold in the 4th/5th year of his rookie contract. 

[Augustiniak]

Autopsy, lol.

[Matt39]

Someone getting paid to evaluate football players coming away with Wilson being better than Lawrence is something. 

[Rhg1084]

This is a Cimini article so take it with a grain of salt. Don’t know what source he has that’s feeding him this but it’s definitely not Lafleur and all the other guys are still in the building 

[kevinc855]

I also heckled Rex Hogan "that night" and proud of it...

[bla bla bla]

3 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

You mean Sam Darnold right? Trade down in the 2021 NFL draft and run it back with Sam Darnold in the 4th/5th year of his rookie contract. 

Yea maybe Sam vs White was the move. Idk I really like Breece so I have a hard time redoing that and losing him haha 

[CSNY]

Regardless who pushed for Zach the reality is the Jets made there decision and are now stuck with him for at least another year. JD has assembled a talented roster and all we need at this time is an average QB (don’t want Rodgers since he might decide to retire after one season setting the organization back even further and is waaay to flaky)  and will be legitimate playoff / Super Bowl contenders. 
 

The only way I trade for Rodgers is if he waived his guaranteed money in the event he does retire but I sincerely doubt that is happening 

[Irish Jet]

33 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

3. Zach had become a disaster in practice. One player saying that he only completed three passes in practice before the Denver game.

This is especially hilarious in hindsight given what certain "insiders" were saying about Zach's progress around the time of that game. 

[bd71]

Why is it that this franchise always hires incompetent GM’s, HC’s, and OC’s?  

[peekskill68]

27 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Lots of inconsistencies with this story, though. LaFleur wanted him, but was also the guy pushing to bench him? And Douglas was powerless to 1. Not take a deal, 2. Trade Darnold two days after the Pro Day and 3. Not bring in a vet? Sounds like a lot of CYA over there

The only way Cimini gets a scoop out of 1 JD is if someone feeds it to him...

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, peekskill68 said:

The only way Cimini gets a scoop out of 1 JD is if someone feeds it to him...

How else would you get a scoop? Waterboarding? 

[C Mart]

48 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Cimini tossing up an autopsy of the Zach Wilson collapse. The usual stuff: Zach sucked, poor leader, receivers hated him, hurt by the Mike White love, etc. The three juiciest tidbits below (first one sounds like they come from Douglas himself): 

1. There was heated debate about Zach. The scouts who were skeptical of him thought he was a three year project who should sit. Allegedly, LaFleur and Rex Hogan banged the table for him. 
 

2. Douglas did turn down fat offers for the 2 pick. (the Jets have always claimed they “never talked to San Fran” about the pick). In a piece written about Jalen Hurts a few weeks ago, it was reported that the Eagles were desperate to come up for Zach, but Douglas refused, and that’s how the Eagles ended up with Hurts.

3. Zach had become a disaster in practice. One player saying that he only completed three passes in practice before the Denver game. 
 

Fun piece, if anyone still thinks Zach has a chance here. 
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35602882/why-zach-wilson-new-york-jets-career-taken-off

Hurts was a 2020 draft pick

[Jet Nut]

43 minutes ago, freestater said:

of course the guy who isn't here anymore is to blame. Zero accountability at One Jets Drive. 

 

36 minutes ago, Warfish said:

My first thought as well, yet more scapegoating/blame shifting to the guy not here to defend himself.

TBQH if I was one of the Jets crappy mostly-miss scouts, I'd probably want to blameshift to someone else too for selecting the worst QB bust in NFL history (to-date).

Isn’t Rex Hogan there to take the blame in the extreme unlikelihood this is factual?  
While Hogan is charged with making personnel decisions, not MLF.

[Trotter]

Never knew we had someone named Rex hogan. Put him in the same category as hymie.

everytime I see the title of this thread I keep thinking why is hulk hogan involved in our qb

[oatmeal]

JD you fat bastard 

You can hide behind LaFleur and scapegoat all you like, drafting Sauce will not save your clown a**!

 

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

JD you fat bastard 

You can hide behind LaFleur and scapegoat all you like, drafting Sauce will not save your clown a**!

 

The autopsy on the Douglas era isn’t too far behind. 

[Lith]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

Rex Hogan is.

And so is Douglas.  The buck stops with him.  He is the one who turned down any trade offers and made the pick.  

[Saul Goodman]

Not taking the trade down haul from the 49’ers was one of the worst decisions this franchise has ever made. We’d have a playoff team and possible contending team right now with any average QB. I don’t know that Douglas should be fired for taking Zach rather than the trade down but a public flogging at the minimum. What a dumb jackass. 

[mrcoops]

11 minutes ago, Lith said:

And so is Douglas.  The buck stops with him.  He is the one who turned down any trade offers and made the pick.  

If SF offered him the bag, and JD turned it down, that alone is criminal.

Using the #2 pick on top of that on a clear bust is just the icing on the proverbial crappy cake.

[32EBoozer]

2 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

Not taking the trade down haul from the 49’ers was one of the worst decisions this franchise has ever made. We’d have a playoff team and possible contending team right now with any average QB. I don’t know that Douglas should be fired for taking Zach rather than the trade down but a public flogging at the minimum. What a dumb jackass. 

Hindsight is always 20/20. If JD took the deal & Shanahan actually “Developed “ Zach (similar to Purdy) everyone is killing JD right now.

In a Petri dish view, JD was trying to get his young, affordable Franchise Qb in house to build around. I don’t think he was looking to wait another year. If Shanahan is trading the following Capital to get Zach, maybe this confirms what JD was thinking in drafting ZW

 

 

 

[FootballLove]

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

This makes zero sense. We never had an option of taking Lawrence. In hindsight maybe you trade down and run it back with White for 2 years? Idk the right answer

This.

Usually with hindsight, the correct answer is sitting there in plain sight. But with this situation, the correct answer is illusive. 

What if we knew then what we know now? What direction should we have taken? Trade out and run with Sam? Trade down and run with Fields, who's almost as bad as Zack? Trade for Wentz? Seems like whatever Joe did, we'd be sitting here with a 8-9 record, at best.

Maybe draft ZW and bring in a non-Flacco vet to run the ship for a season or 2? Would this have made us happy, sitting here right now?

Not sure...

[Stark]

man its a good thing we passed on Lawrence...

 

lol.

can we please get rid of Rich Cimini, what a moron