32EBoozer Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I didn’t see this posted, but there are 6 threads going right now. Fowler saying that only Saints involved. Can the Jets afford not to be involved, or are they so certain Rodgers is coming to town? https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1623132762000564224?s=20&t=tNFPy_DfLxbdbkVdVoGgQQ Jeremy Fowler @JFowlerESPN Themes emerged from talks w/ teams on Derek Carr: -Inquiring teams want to rework deal, which they believe Carr probably won't do -Raiders' asking price modest. One NFL source said 3rd rd pick could get it done -N.O. believed to be only team engaged to extent of visit as of now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dunnie Posted February 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2023 A third is highway robbery ... Dude is getting cut.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Dunnie said: A third is highway robbery ... Dude is getting cut. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk It’s an odd situation for sure. So many moving parts but if Carr can wait the extra month until Free Agency, he can really cash in and go anywhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: It’s an odd situation for sure. So many moving parts but it Carr can wait the extra month until Free Agency, he can really cash in and go anywhere. I don’t know if he will get the contract size, that he currently has over the next couple of years but he’ll get close are on AAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted February 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2023 Don’t see how it benefits Carr a bit to waive trade clause. Even a trade will come with an extension by his new team. Why not just get cut and then incite a bidding war? 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 if the saints weren't on carr's preferred list then why would he visit them? and if they're willing to make a trade then they are also okay with his current contract. carr may feel he can get more in free agency but i think he'll be sadly mistaken. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Been saying all this time a 3rd is the comp. Carr likely doesnt care if his future team trades a 3rd. And it’s not a lot to give up for him to ensure you get him. Contract wise, Carr’s agent knows what he is worth. Teams will pay up knowing someone else will. He’s already shopping around. Imagine wanting Carr and missing out because of a 3rd round pick? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 29 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: I don’t know if he will get the contract size, that he currently has over the next couple of years but he’ll get close are on AAV Being the top FA QB has to count for something in this league. FA always leads to stupid deals but I agree that it’s a gamble at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shuler82 Posted February 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2023 So are you saying if the jets offered a 3rd, Carr would waive his no trade clause and would come play in New York on his current deal? …because all of those things are not true. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, shuler82 said: So are you saying if the jets offered a 3rd, Carr would waive his no trade clause and would come play in New York on his current deal? …because all of those things are not true. Trade would need to come with an extension and new guaranteed money. Carr wouldn’t leave money on the table to agree to a trade. So it just begs the question why not just go to FA and then field offers? Maybe someone can tell me how it benefits Carr to waive his NT clause because I don’t see it. The only rationale I can think of is of the raiders have at least created a credible threat they might not cut him to control his rights and dare him to sit out if he doesn’t waive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adoni Beast Posted February 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2023 I jest....I like Carr but there's no point in trying to trade for him. He has all the leverage and will get cut and will be able to choose any team he wants. And for the "but we'll trade for him before another team can sign him!" group - Carr's no trade clause basically turns his trade window into his own personal free agency anyway so its all moot. If he wants to come here and we want him, it'll get done. If not, then not. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 He has a no trade. We could offer them 20 1st’s. Doesn’t matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 51 minutes ago, jgb said: Don’t see how it benefits Carr a bit to waive trade clause. Even a trade will come with an extension by his new team. Why not just get cut and then incite a bidding war? There are some that feel the Raiders a foolish enough to actually keep him and then trade him. All because they are now reportedly seeking the risk worthy 3rd rounder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, hawk said: There are some that feel the Raiders a foolish enough to actually keep him and then trade him. All because they are now reportedly seeking the risk worthy 3rd rounder. If Al Davis were still alive I might believe it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: I didn’t see this posted, but there are 6 threads going right now. Fowler saying that only Saints involved. Can the Jets afford not to be involved, or are they so certain Rodgers is coming to town? https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1623132762000564224?s=20&t=tNFPy_DfLxbdbkVdVoGgQQ Jeremy Fowler @JFowlerESPN Themes emerged from talks w/ teams on Derek Carr: -Inquiring teams want to rework deal, which they believe Carr probably won't do -Raiders' asking price modest. One NFL source said 3rd rd pick could get it done -N.O. believed to be only team engaged to extent of visit as of now Card or the Jets don’t want this, it’s over (thankfully/hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, rangerous said: if the saints weren't on carr's preferred list then why would he visit them? and if they're willing to make a trade then they are also okay with his current contract. carr may feel he can get more in free agency but i think he'll be sadly mistaken. In the NFL, it's all about guaranteed salary. Carr has $40 million in guarantees that kick in Feb 15. $33m in 2023 and $7m in 2024, meaning he can be cut with zero strings attached after next year. I would be very surprised if Carr decided to gamble the rest of his career beyond this season. I'd bet a sizeable amount of money that he is reworking his deal in conjunction with a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 We are the NY Jets, so please stop slobbering over players with zero desire to play for this team. We deserve this treatment nonetheless and fans need to stop fantasizing star QBs during wet-dreams. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: In the NFL, it's all about guaranteed salary. Carr has $40 million in guarantees that kick in Feb 15. $33m in 2023 and $7m in 2024, meaning he can be cut with zero strings attached after next year. I would be very surprised if Carr decided to gamble the rest of his career beyond this season. I'd bet a sizeable amount of money that he is reworking his deal in conjunction with a trade. any way you spin it, a new contract with a new bonus and new guaranteed money is in his best interest. even if he gets traded he would ask for his contract to be ripped up....so why help the Raiders with a valuable pick your new team can spend on say...a receiver. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Creepy Lurker said: It’s an odd situation for sure. So many moving parts but if Carr can wait the extra month until Free Agency, he can really cash in and go anywhere. if he gets cut, he doesn't have to wait for free agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 knowing nothing - I get the sense the Jets are not all that interested in Carr. Now maybe the way the JETS operate is different under JD, but typically there is some smoke around potential moves whether that be trade of FA. I simply don't remember seeing anything of interest of the Jets to Carr and don't even see leaks from the reporters. I guess we will see 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, k-met57 said: any way you spin it, a new contract with a new bonus and new guaranteed money is in his best interest. even if he gets traded he would ask for his contract to be ripped up....so why help the Raiders with a valuable pick your new team can spend on say...a receiver. If his agents think a team will pay a premium on said extension in a trade to ensure they get their man, maybe that could play in. I don’t see it just hypothesizing why the heck he wouldn’t just wait to be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, jgb said: If his agents think a team will pay a premium on said extension in a trade to ensure they get their man, maybe that could play in. I don’t see it just hypothesizing why the heck he wouldn’t just wait to be cut. i assume that's already been back channeled.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Just now, k-met57 said: i assume that's already been back channeled.... yeah maybe “our starting position in FA would be X. To facilitate a trade it’s X+Y.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I hope he becomes a saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 No one is going to trade anything for Dead End Derek. He stinks! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyT Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 If Carr was the guy, the Jets would leave little to chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: No one is going to trade anything for Dead End Derek. He stinks! There’s a vast continuum between Mahomes and BYU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, Claymation said: if he gets cut, he doesn't have to wait for free agency I didn’t even realize that. The plot thickens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: I didn’t even realize that. The plot thickens! Another reason why he wouldn’t/shouldn’t waive his NTC. He will get a personal free agency basically to himself when he can bide his time and weigh competing offers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, TommyT said: If Carr was the guy, the Jets would leave little to chance. The Jets could very well want Carr, but if Carr has no interest in NY, it’s a non starter. I would have to imagine JD has already kicked the tires unless they have an oral agreement in place with another QB. Of course If Carrs agents were worth their commission, they’d feign interest in the Jets once Carr becomes a FA. In any case…should be a rollercoaster next few weeks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 here’s Derek Carr in December at MetLife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: here’s Derek Carr in December at MetLife. I love Gregg Williams for doing that. I yelled so loud when it happened like I just saw my team win a playoff game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Is there some sort of incentive for a trade to happen? Is the team acquiring him getting him under a lower cap hit vs if they were to sign him by FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, jgb said: Another reason why he wouldn’t/shouldn’t waive his NTC. He will get a personal free agency basically to himself when he can bide his time and weigh competing offers. Plus the Jets are always the best team to use to drive up the price. Either the Jets get used to drive up the contract for a team that he wants to go to OR if there isn’t a strong market for him elsewhere, the Jets get played against themselves and he “settles” for the Jets while they grossly overpay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 36 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: No one is going to trade anything for Dead End Derek. He stinks! I don't know what makes you think he stinks when somebody like Jimmy G or Tannehill don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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