And that is why finding a young franchise qb is the only gold.

[OMA]

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

[Anthony Jet]

Need the right coaching to develop said QB also 

[OMA]

9 minutes ago, OMA said:

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

“stupid iPhone” goal.

[Jet Nut]

19 minutes ago, OMA said:

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

What did you say after last years SB?

[OMA]

11 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

What did you say after last years SB?

The same thing I’m saying now…. The rams had the benefit of only having to beat the winner of the afc qb gauntlet, at home.  That model in the new afc with mahomes, burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Hebert is delusional. 

[Jet Nut]

Just now, OMA said:

The same thing I’m saying now…. The rams had the benefit of only having to beat the winner of the afc qb gauntlet, at home.  That model in the new afc with mahomes, burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Hebert is delusional. 

They beat Burrow.  
What would you like them to do, also beat Mahomes and others.  

[Hex]

Shame the Jets haven’t tried that yet!

[TuscanyTile2]

18 minutes ago, OMA said:

The same thing I’m saying now…. The rams had the benefit of only having to beat the winner of the afc qb gauntlet, at home.  That model in the new afc with mahomes, burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Hebert is delusional. 

Agreed.  You might be able to steal a game against guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Trevor, Herbert, Deshaun (assuming he rebounds), Lamar (assuming he's healthy), but winning 2-3 games against that competition with a much lesser QB is highly unlikely.

[OMA]

40 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

They beat Burrow.  
What would you like them to do, also beat Mahomes and others.  

If the jets stay in the afc then yes, it likely is a must.  It you can get us into the nfc south then you are right.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

I agree completely. If you want to compete against mahomes, burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Lawrence, Watson etc, Derek carr ain’t cutting it. You need to draft and develop a qb thru the draft.

Aaron rodgers probably gets us to the playoffs and possibly delays having to draft a qb by a year. but in the end we need to draft and develop a qb.

Jimmy g, Carr, Aaron rodgers or whatever free agent qb we sign isn’t a long term answer. even if we sign a rod I don’t think he makes us a Super Bowl contender. 

[Beerfish]

You need a good team.  And time and time and time again the guys that succeed come into a partially if not ready built team an get to sit for a full year before they are pressed into action.

There is no 100% formula.

You need to be really good at a couple of things and not be really weak in any area, have good coaching and play your best at the right time, and get breaks go your way at the key times.

[choon328]

2 of the last 3 years an old recycled mercenary QB has won the SB.

[Warfish]

5 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

I agree completely. If you want to compete against mahomes, burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Lawrence, Watson etc, Derek carr ain’t cutting it. You need to draft and develop a qb thru the draft.

Aaron rodgers probably gets us to the playoffs and possibly delays having to draft a qb by a year. but in the end we need to draft and develop a qb.

Jimmy g, Carr, Aaron rodgers or whatever free agent qb we sign isn’t a long term answer. even if we sign a rod I don’t think he makes us a Super Bowl contender. 

So who are you drafting then?

[Charlie Brown]

7 hours ago, Anthony Jet said:

Need the right coaching to develop said QB also 

This is the key!

I wanted Mahomes drafted by the Jets, I did, but it was extremely telling when after the game on ESPN post-game the MVP of the league said he has a secret weapon in Andy Reid. 

Mahomes specifically said he learned the NFL game from Reid and was developed by him.

Indeed, those of us who think that Mahomes would have been great under Jermey Bates or Adam Gase on the Jets are delusional. 

Coaching matters and for both teams the Eagles and the Chiefs it showed!

[oatmeal]

Lmao 

All I saw last night was that terrible logic that “running QBs don’t win” get totally destroyed.
 

You old dinosaur fans need to catch up to the modern day NFL and kill that crap forever, Hurts made y’all look terrible tbh 

[Dunnie]

Lmao 
All I saw last night was that terrible logic that “running QBs don’t win” get totally destroyed.
 
You old dinosaur fans need to catch up to the modern day NFL and kill that crap forever, Hurts made y’all look terrible tbh 

That is because you had two running backs playing... Had a more pocket oriented guy like Burrow been playing you could not have said that.

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[heymangold]

7 hours ago, OMA said:

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

you should just become a cheifs fan

[Bronx]

14 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

Lmao 

All I saw last night was that terrible logic that “running QBs don’t win” get totally destroyed.
 

You old dinosaur fans need to catch up to the modern day NFL and kill that crap forever, Hurts made y’all look terrible tbh 

We also need a QB that is not afraid of getting hit or stepping into the pocket. 

[JiFtheOracle]

Mahomes is the GOAT.  

 

[kevinc855]

8 hours ago, OMA said:

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

Tell the 2020 Bucs or 21 rams that 

[neckdemon]

8 hours ago, OMA said:

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

wow....what a revelation, lol. why didn't they think of that? maybe the problem is that drafting a young franshise qb isn't all that easy. so in the mean time finding a vet that can win games for you and give you a chance to go all the way is the next best option. neither one os easy though.......actually winning the superbowl is generally very difficult. 

[Anthony Jet]

54 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

This is the key!

I wanted Mahomes drafted by the Jets, I did, but it was extremely telling when after the game on ESPN post-game the MVP of the league said he has a secret weapon in Andy Reid. 

Mahomes specifically said he learned the NFL game from Reid and was developed by him.

Indeed, those of us who think that Mahomes would have been great under Jermey Bates or Adam Gase on the Jets are delusional. 

Coaching matters and for both teams the Eagles and the Chiefs it showed!

Agreed. 100 percent. Not all QBs fail cause of coaching but I’d bet almost no QBs succeed and develop with bad coaching 

[Drums]

8 hours ago, OMA said:

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

Sure but don't ignore the fact that the Chiefs brought in Alex Smith while Mahomes was getting warmed up. 

[Jet hustle]

8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

What did you say after last years SB?

And the year before......

[LSJF]

9 hours ago, OMA said:

As I sit in kc listening to fireworks if it not clear now it should be. Recycling 10 yr vet quarterbacks as the answer to beating this team or Buffalo/Cincinnati is just wasting time.  I hate it but you gotta keep throwing darts at the board and pay the best to teach them. Nothing else matters if you want to win this game.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

Kind of amazing how Reid just keeps getting completely lucky at the QB position, and we can't seem to get lucky, I really wonder why that is???

[Claymation]

8 hours ago, OMA said:

If the jets stay in the afc then yes, it likely is a must.  It you can get us into the nfc south then you are right.

The Jets have an option not to stay in the AFC? 

[freestater]

As opposed to taking a safety at #6 overall? 

[undertow]

You are correct 90 percent of the time Super Bowls are won with drafted QBs that are elite but we are the Jets we need to cling to the hopes we can win with a good defense and a mediocre QB....that's why people around here are treating Derek Carr like he's Joe Montana.

[undertow]

Just now, freestater said:

As opposed to taking a safety at #6 overall? 

Taking a safety at 6 is insanity everyone knows SBs are won with run stuffing lineman.

[rangerous]

true that you gotta find the right guy but look at both mahomes and hurts.  anyone want to take hurts over mahomes?  i sure don't.  mahomes is like a magician they way he plays.  hurts is certainly competent but you take away his running ability and he's toast.  not to say that mahomes can't run but not as well and not on his bad ankle.  the bottom line is it's still a team sport and there is a certain threshold the qb needs to meet.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

Just now, rangerous said:

true that you gotta find the right guy but look at both mahomes and hurts.  anyone want to take hurts over mahomes?  i sure don't.  mahomes is like a magician they way he plays.  hurts is certainly competent but you take away his running ability and he's toast.  not to say that mahomes can't run but not as well and not on his bad ankle.  the bottom line is it's still a team sport and there is a certain threshold the qb needs to meet.

Hurts is really damn good, and young and should only get better. Yes, he runs a lot, but he is a really good passer a well. Not being quite as good as Mahomes is not a knock at all, Mahomes may be the greatest of all time when all is said and done. I would absolutely love to have Hurts as our QB, given we had an OC who knew how to use him

[Gibby]

[Green Ghost]

7 minutes ago, rangerous said:

true that you gotta find the right guy but look at both mahomes and hurts.  anyone want to take hurts over mahomes?  i sure don't.  mahomes is like a magician they way he plays.  hurts is certainly competent but you take away his running ability and he's toast.  not to say that mahomes can't run but not as well and not on his bad ankle.  the bottom line is it's still a team sport and there is a certain threshold the qb needs to meet.

This is a very lazy analysis of Hurts’ game. 
How many players IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL would you take over Mahomes?

You guys with these “let’s see what they look like in a few years after getting injured” are

1. clueless about the actual % of injuries inside vs outside the pocket

2. completely unaware about how the game is evolving offensively. 
Mobile QBs are becoming more and more the norm, for multiple reasons, not the least of which are the amount of time it takes to develop “pocket QBs’s” and the scarcity of them available out of college.

[ScarletKnight89]

Jimmy G, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, and Matt Stafford are recent QB's who either played in or won a Super Bowl with the team that didn't draft them or in Foles case, left and came back as a backup. 

It would be great to develop a franchise QB that you drafted. But there's more than one way to win.