Extend CJ Mosley. Get your pats gear out of his face!

[pointman]

 

[Maxman]

This is incredible! Great job CJ!

[The Crusher]

Too funny! 

[JiFtheOracle]

[sciond]

Solid dude

[Sperm Edwards]

I initially read this as Jets extend CJ Mosley and almost had to call an ambulance, thinking the Jets finally killed me after all.

[varjet]

The Jets can cut him this year for a dead cap hit of $14.5mm and cap savings of $6.5mm.   His salaries this year and next year are $17mm.  Thanks to JD’s drafting, there is no one on the roster ready to take his place.  We are still amortizing his initial signing bonus, plus the restructured bonus he got last year with voidable years.  

Someone could tell me what his market value is worth-it is not $17mm.  I would offer him a guarantee of that for two years.  Otherwise, bite the bullet and cut him.

I don’t see how we make it without Kwon Alexander either. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I initially read this as Jets extend CJ Mosley and almost had to call an ambulance, thinking the Jets finally killed me after all.

If you’d be willing to share, I’d love you to share your honest thoughts about Mosley

[Sperm Edwards]

50 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

If you’d be willing to share, I’d love you to share your honest thoughts about Mosley

Can you wait until March for the book to come out?

[JoJoTownsell1]

Love everything about CJ, except his ability to cover in open space. 

[greenwichjetfan]

Sad that this was one of his top plays of the season.

[varjet]

Put another way, if the Jets cut Mosley, their LBs next year currently are Hamsah, Sherwood and Chaz Surratt with an extra $6.5mm.  

Maybe we roll with that and give Kwon most of the $6.5mm.

[Sperm Edwards]

9 minutes ago, varjet said:

Put another way, if the Jets cut Mosley, their LBs next year currently are Hamsah, Sherwood and Chaz Surratt with an extra $6.5mm.  

Maybe we roll with that and give Kwon most of the $6.5mm.

They'll have an extra $17MM by not paying Mosley $17MM.

Also at his very best, pre-ACL years ago, Kwon was a MLB. 

Re-sign him & also draft his future replacement who can start by rotating in this season. Or anyway, that's the cheapest way of not purely going with a rookie and Sherwood et al. But there are other MLBs who are due to become FAs this year who won't be $17MM/year.

[BigRy56]

CJ is awesome. Glad he is a Jet

[Sperm Edwards]

15 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

CJ is awesome. Glad he is a Jet

Awesome at what?

He doesn't like the Patriots. BFD, nobody does; it's not a Jets thing. I'm sure he didn't like them when he was with Baltimore, who was smart enough to max out their offer to him at barely $11MM before Maccagnan & Gase decided to out-stupid everyone. 

[Warfish]

I'll never understand the Mosely criticism from some fans. 

When he's on the field, we're better.  

 

[Vader]

his pats hatred comes from his time as a raven tho

[Beerfish]

They should for sure cut him, even if he is a good dude in that video.  No worries though he will be back next year cause the coaches like him and williams.

[choon328]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

I'll never understand the Mosely criticism from some fans. 

When he's on the field, we're better.  

 

Bc idiots act like they're paying him out of their pockets 

[Jet Nut]

14 hours ago, Beerfish said:

They should for sure cut him, even if he is a good dude in that video.  No worries though he will be back next year cause the coaches like him and williams.

And because he’s good, our best LB

[Sperm Edwards]

14 hours ago, Warfish said:

I'll never understand the Mosely criticism from some fans. 

When he's on the field, we're better.  

 

Plenty documented why, after all the missed tackles, after all the tackles after getting carried a few yards past the marker, and sometimes just looking outright clueless after the ball is snapped, either staying back too far for too long, or over-pursuing to the wrong gap when he doesn't. 

He's not worth half his $17MM, which no other team would give him then or now & if he was put on the trading block there'd be no interest because of his too-high cap allocation for what he does. That's the main criticism. 

Really focus on him on every defensive snap & it won't take long before you wonder what the hell anyone thinks is the big deal with him, that couldn't be filled with a younger player, particularly now that the Jets' D won't be filled with 5+ rookies. Then there are plays when you can see him outright dogging it (I'll put some of that blame on Saleh for not having him pulled more, as some of that is surely to save energy, but there were a number of plays where he was visibly not running, mistakenly figuring the play would be over anyway even if he ran to it). TBH I used to think a lot better of him before I started focusing on him. 

Never mind possibly one of the worst mental plays all season by a defender, and one in which a smart veteran never, ever makes from that far back. An obvious attempt to draw the D offsides and nobody bites except this fool, giving the Bills a free set of downs when they were very clearly running down the play clock & punting. Then laughing it up after the play, only to see the Bills get a free TD they never would've had, instead of the Jets getting the ball back with a minute-plus left in the half armed with a couple timeouts. Likelihood aside, since we don't get to live in that alternate butterfly-effect timeline, maybe a different situation leads to different play calls ~10 min later and MFW doesn't get almost half his ribs broken.

Regardless, he's just not all that as a player when you really watch him every play from the snap and not just when the play comes right to him.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Regardless, he's just not all that as a player when you really watch him every play from the snap and not just when the play comes right to him.

His teammates and the league in general (from what I've read and hear) don't seem to agree with you.  I tend to agree with them, I think he's a very effective player who does alot more that Jets fans give him credit.  When I watch him play, he makes plays, often saving the D from poor play by others (as a LB often is tasked with doing), and he ranges sideline to sideline pretty well.  Has he ever missed a tackle, yes, of course.  Every player does. I don't see him missing more than others of his ilk by any meaningful margin.

If we were to cut him, I'm confident our Defense gets immediately worse, and that he would have another job pretty quickly.  Maybe not at $17M, but not worlds away from that.  Could his job be filled by a rookie?  Sure, if we get the right rookie.  Not so easily done.  

And I honestly don't care what he's paid.  I don't manage the Jets cap, nor have the inside-track insight into it, they do.  The obsession with players salaries by our resident 'keyboard cap managers' is just silly IMO.  In terms of opportunity cost, I'm just not seeing the big deals JD wanted to make but just couldn't because of Mosely.  Plenty of other mistakes, pay wise, ahead of Mosely IMO.  Carl Lawson for one.  Zach Wilson for two.  Corey Davis for three.  None of these guys have remotely the effective impact Mosely has, and two of them (QB/Edge) are failures at vital positions.  Sorry, if I'm targeting wasted salary, Mosely isn't my first target.

With that said, the Jets have an out with Mosely in 2023, so we'll see if they agree with you that he sucks and should be cut.  Maybe he will, his $17M this year may in fact be too rich for their blood.

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In 2023, Mosley will earn a base salary of $17,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,476,000 and a dead cap value of $14,904,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cj-mosley-14426/

 

[Sperm Edwards]

12 minutes ago, Warfish said:

His teammates and the league in general (from what I've read and hear) don't seem to agree with you.  I tend to agree with them, I think he's a very effective player who does alot more that Jets fans give him credit.  When I watch him play, he makes plays, often saving the D from poor play by others (as a LB often is tasked with doing), and he ranges sideline to sideline pretty well.  Has he ever missed a tackle, yes, of course.  Every player does. I don't see him missing more than others of his ilk by any meaningful margin.

If we were to cut him, I'm confident our Defense gets immediately worse, and that he would have another job pretty quickly.  Maybe not at $17M, but not worlds away from that.  Could his job be filled by a rookie?  Sure, if we get the right rookie.  Not so easily done.  

And I honestly don't care what he's paid.  I don't manage the Jets cap, nor have the inside-track insight into it, they do.  The obsession with players salaries by our resident 'keyboard cap managers' is just silly IMO.  In terms of opportunity cost, I'm just not seeing the big deals JD wanted to make but just couldn't because of Mosely.  Plenty of other mistakes, pay wise, ahead of Mosely IMO.  Carl Lawson for one.  Zach Wilson for two.  Corey Davis for three.  None of these guys have remotely the effective impact Mosely has, and two of them (QB/Edge) are failures at vital positions.  Sorry, if I'm targeting wasted salary, Mosely isn't my first target.

With that said, the Jets have an out with Mosely in 2023, so we'll see if they agree with you that he sucks and should be cut.  Maybe he will, his $17M this year may in fact be too rich for their blood.

 

Yeah we disagree on everything outside of other players we agree are also expendable. Fair enough, even if I don't think he gets followed as closely as others, and gets tremendously undue passes for his many, many screwups. I see way too many terrible plays & instincts for a player who gets fawned over this much, and occupying so much of a finite resource.

My guess is they will keep him, but the team does many things fans don't agree with. If they fail to dump Zach Wilson (or others we agree upon) will you acknowledge that's the best thing for the team, too; that they're right & you're dead wrong? Probably not.  

[Warfish]

7 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Yeah we disagree on everything outside of other players we agree are also expendable. Fair enough, even if I don't think he gets followed as closely as others, and gets tremendously undue passes for his many, many screwups. I see way too many terrible plays & instincts for a player who gets fawned over this much, and occupying so much of a finite resource.

Yup, agree to disagree, as noted.

To be clear, I'm never against seeking upgrades, and LB is one of our top three positions of need (QB, OT/O-Line, LB), so I do expect the team to look at LB in the FA pool and in the draft.

7 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

My guess is they will keep him, but the team does many things fans don't agree with. If they fail to dump Zach Wilson (or others we agree upon) will you acknowledge that's the best thing for the team, too; that they're right & you're dead wrong? Probably not.  

I'll acknowledge that from an organizational perspective, and specifically the interests of our should-be-on-a-warm-seat GM, that retaining Wilson and hoping like hell he has a miracle turnaround, would be pretty standard business-as-usual in NFL roster management. 

They have to give their #2 overall pick every possible opportunity to turn it around, the level of investment by the Org. is so dear, so high, that few GM's have the bravery, the brass stones, or the job security, to cut loose a bust #2 overall pick QB after only two years...especially if they have a ready-made scapegoat for his failure in a now-gone O-Co. 

Cutting Zach is clearly a bad move cap wise (one I'd be willing to accept as GM), it legit "doesn't make sense" from a purely financial perspective.

But ultimately, retaining Zach is just one of those moves an NFL GM has to make to stay employed after such a huge mistake of a pick.  At least until he can find/acquire an actual legit QB, after which Zachy's future becomes much less clear or safe, Jets wise.

I expect Zach will be gone after the 2023 season.