Jets WR Coach Status

[C Mart]

And we all know from Sunday

 

[jeremy2020]

What's these guys experience with coaching players on using twitter?

[WhartonJet]

 

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, WhartonJet said:

 

[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, WhartonJet said:

 

Oh yeah, Ocho cinco is just what Elijah needs right now…. Said nobody ever.

[Hal N of Provo]

The WRs were lost the last 2 seasons.

I hope they find someone detail oriented who knows how to teach.

This is an important off-season move.  

[Green Ghost]

I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on this, but the additions the Jets made to their CS this offseason seem pretty uninspired to me. 
I hope I’m wrong.

[jetsons]

40 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on this, but the additions the Jets made to their CS this offseason seem pretty uninspired to me. 
I hope I’m wrong.

You're not alone.  ?

[Chrebetfan80]

12 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

Oh yeah, Ocho cinco is just what Elijah needs right now…. Said nobody ever.

I actually dont mind bringing in players like this on coaching fellowships or internships to get their foot in the door.  While a lot of the technical aspects and fundamentals are better left to actual coaches, there is something to be said about the wisdom and nuances of the position and its play from a guy that has done it on a very high level in the league.  The combination of a seasoned WR coach and a top flight ex player could be a nice duo for this young group of WR's.  

[Green Ghost]

11 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

I actually dont mind bringing in players like this on coaching fellowships or internships to get their foot in the door.  While a lot of the technical aspects and fundamentals are better left to actual coaches, there is something to be said about the wisdom and nuances of the position and its play from a guy that has done it on a very high level in the league.  The combination of a seasoned WR coach and a top flight ex player could be a nice duo for this young group of WR's.  

I loved it back in the day when Parcells brought in “his guys” during TC, so yeah, I agree with you… to a point.

Here’s my issue though. It’s one thing to bring in a Hines Ward type to work with young guys like GW and Moore, it’s quite another to put them under the guidance of an ocho cinco type guy. He might be sincere in his intentions, (in fact he probably is) but I don’t want the Jets to be the team to find out whether the leopard has changed his spots.

[Drums]

Anyone from the Titans available?

[Sperm Edwards]

12 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

The WRs were lost the last 2 seasons.

I hope they find someone detail oriented who knows how to teach.

This is an important off-season move.  

I don't know if they were all lost - I'd agree on Mims & Moore, at least now & then for the latter, though - but yeah it's an important move. 

Hiring a 1st time WRC was a bad mistake with the team drafting 3 WRs in the first 2 rounds in back to back to back seasons.

[C Mart]

21 minutes ago, Drums said:

Anyone from the Titans available?

Rob Moore - yes ex-Jet Rob Moore - has been their WR coach since 2018. Prior he was w/Oakland and Downing & prior Buffalo & Syracuse w/Hackett

It appears though he's currently under contract w/TN

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[Bocajetfan]

28 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Rob Moore - yes ex-Jet Rob Moore - has been their WR coach since 2018. Prior he was w/Oakland and Downing & prior Buffalo & Syracuse w/Hackett

It appears though he's currently under contract w/TN

Wide receivers coach

Syracuse (2010–2012)

Buffalo Bills (2013–2014)
Wide receivers coach

Oakland Raiders (2015–2017)
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Tennessee Titans (2018–present)
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If there is a chance of getting him he is a far better choice than Ocho Cincho if the Jets are looking for a former player type coach. Just my opinion 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

I get that he's attention-seeking and sort of contemptible in a weird way in some people's eyes, but for all anybody knows OchoCinco might be an amazing WR coach.

Nobody knows either way.

Miles Austin, Sanjay Lal, or whatever...it's not like the Jets have a glorious tradition in this department.

 

[Chrebetfan80]

1 hour ago, Green Ghost said:

I loved it back in the day when Parcells brought in “his guys” during TC, so yeah, I agree with you… to a point.

Here’s my issue though. It’s one thing to bring in a Hines Ward type to work with young guys like GW and Moore, it’s quite another to put them under the guidance of an ocho cinco type guy. He might be sincere in his intentions, (in fact he probably is) but I don’t want the Jets to be the team to find out whether the leopard has changed his spots.

Understandable worry.  I guess nothing can be guaranteed.  

I will say this, for all of the antics he pulled as a player and how outspoken he has been through social media, he actually has shown to be a level headed and smart player in retirement.  While maybe his outspoken nature would creep up as a coach i think he would be a good model from a professional standpoint for the younger players as he was someone who never blew all their money on cars and jewelry and has actually worked hard to educate and set himself up later in life. 

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, Bocajetfan said:

If there is a chance of getting him he is a far better choice than Ocho Cincho if the Jets are looking for a former player type coach. Just my opinion 

Agree..Who the heck knows if ocho can coach,teach as well as the time committment...

[C Mart]

On 2/14/2023 at 11:49 AM, C Mart said:

And we all know from Sunday

 

 

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero

The #Bills are hiring veteran WR coach Adam Henry, per source. Henry, who has coached at LSU and with five NFL teams, most recently was Indiana’s co-OC/WR coach.

 

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

That’s interesting. Adam Henry is — besides being a very good coach — close with Odell Beckham Jr.

 

[BurntDice]

16 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on this, but the additions the Jets made to their CS this offseason seem pretty uninspired to me. 
I hope I’m wrong.

I’m just happy that these guys have a decent amount of experience. Before it was MLF who only had like 5 years, and Benton who is experienced. No passing game coordinator and a qb coach who’s a nobody 

[C Mart]

"while a source told The Post that instructional designer John Vieira is joining Hackett in New York."

https://www.denverpost.com/2023/02/14/pat-surtain-sean-payton-broncos-future/

 

Who is John Vieira, the Broncos' new Instructional Designer?

Brad Washington

April 12, 2022 7:00 am MT

New Denver Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett officially kicked off installing his offseason program on Monday. Hackett intends to teach his scheme, develop rapport, and lay the groundwork for a championship culture. The Broncos will have 16 on-field activities as a team before training camp begins in late July. 

But Hackett will have a rather innovative football coach in the building to help with this process. A position that I, as a first-grade teacher, fully support and understand: Instructional Designer John Vieira. 

Per Hackett, Vieira’s primary intent is to enhance the teaching of the coaching staff so that the learning for the players is more transparent and applicable. With Vieira on board, the goal is to limit stagnation within the coaching spaces so that Broncos players can continually improve week to week.

“[He’s a] guy that teaches teachers how to teach,” Hackett said last month. “Those things are so imperative to be able to grow. As coaches, we all have to grow. [We] can’t just sit here and act like we know everything, although we’ll tell you we do. It’s just continually finding new ways and techniques just like a teacher would. In the end, that’s what we are — we’re teachers.”

Vieira and Hackett also go way back: the two majored in Neurobiology together in college. Vieira parlayed that into a career as a high school teacher, eventually learning how to use technology to not only better his teaching process but for other teachers as well. Vieira would send some of his implementations to Hackett over time, leaving him impressed.

“We majored in neurobiology together, so he was kind of my neurobiology buddy,” Hackett said. “Throughout time, he was a teacher in L.A., and as he kind of grew, he started taking different courses to be able to learn different technologies to be able to help teachers teach. He kind of showed them those things.

“He would always send me some fun PowerPoints to cheer me up or whatever it might be for that situation. Seeing the different things that he did and watching those things that he was implementing with the kids that he was teaching — it blew my mind. It’s something for coaches.”

Good coaching is arguably the sibling of good teaching. Hackett investing in Vieira as a teacher for the coaches shows how much he wants to invest in this program in his first go-round as a head coach. Investment in player and coaching development is a win-win for things to come.

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/12/denver-broncos-john-vieira-instructional-designer-coach-for-coaches/

[BurntDice]

I like the idea. It’s always good to learn and grow. Didn’t seem to work in Denver, but may have some promise 

[Averagejetsfan1421]

Seth Ryan coaching makes me feel old, I remember Rex going to his games when he coached us 

[CTJetsFan]

Interesting that Azzanni apparently has no issue working under Hackett again.

[mrcoops]

On 2/15/2023 at 4:32 PM, Drums said:

Anyone from the Titans available?

That might not be so bad - the Titans WR coach is former Jet Rob Moore, who is a good position coach.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

That might not be so bad - the Titans WR coach is former Jet Rob Moore, who is a good position coach.

The guy we took in the supplemental draft in 1990 that cost us a #1 draft pick in the following year's draft, where we missed Brett Favre by 1 pick (despite Ron Wolf ranking him the #1 player in the entire draft).

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48987/hof-nominee-ron-wolf-reflects-on-jets-and-the-almost-brett-favre-trade

[football guy]

On 2/15/2023 at 3:53 PM, C Mart said:

"while a source told The Post that instructional designer John Vieira is joining Hackett in New York."

https://www.denverpost.com/2023/02/14/pat-surtain-sean-payton-broncos-future/

 

Who is John Vieira, the Broncos' new Instructional Designer?

Brad Washington

April 12, 2022 7:00 am MT

New Denver Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett officially kicked off installing his offseason program on Monday. Hackett intends to teach his scheme, develop rapport, and lay the groundwork for a championship culture. The Broncos will have 16 on-field activities as a team before training camp begins in late July. 

But Hackett will have a rather innovative football coach in the building to help with this process. A position that I, as a first-grade teacher, fully support and understand: Instructional Designer John Vieira. 

Per Hackett, Vieira’s primary intent is to enhance the teaching of the coaching staff so that the learning for the players is more transparent and applicable. With Vieira on board, the goal is to limit stagnation within the coaching spaces so that Broncos players can continually improve week to week.

“[He’s a] guy that teaches teachers how to teach,” Hackett said last month. “Those things are so imperative to be able to grow. As coaches, we all have to grow. [We] can’t just sit here and act like we know everything, although we’ll tell you we do. It’s just continually finding new ways and techniques just like a teacher would. In the end, that’s what we are — we’re teachers.”

Vieira and Hackett also go way back: the two majored in Neurobiology together in college. Vieira parlayed that into a career as a high school teacher, eventually learning how to use technology to not only better his teaching process but for other teachers as well. Vieira would send some of his implementations to Hackett over time, leaving him impressed.

“We majored in neurobiology together, so he was kind of my neurobiology buddy,” Hackett said. “Throughout time, he was a teacher in L.A., and as he kind of grew, he started taking different courses to be able to learn different technologies to be able to help teachers teach. He kind of showed them those things.

“He would always send me some fun PowerPoints to cheer me up or whatever it might be for that situation. Seeing the different things that he did and watching those things that he was implementing with the kids that he was teaching — it blew my mind. It’s something for coaches.”

Good coaching is arguably the sibling of good teaching. Hackett investing in Vieira as a teacher for the coaches shows how much he wants to invest in this program in his first go-round as a head coach. Investment in player and coaching development is a win-win for things to come.

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/12/denver-broncos-john-vieira-instructional-designer-coach-for-coaches/

I know people look at Denver and suggest anything they did there is radioactive, but there are times where things just go wrong and I think that was the perfect example of it. This is a great idea... more often than not, coaches can't get through to players- especially the modern athlete. In a case like Mike LaFleur and Rob Calabrese, no one doubts their football knowledge. The problem is they don't know how to teach. It's easier said then done. It may not have worked in Denver, but I would be happy to see this with us, especially because "teaching" the QBs and WRs has been two of our biggest shortcomings on offense. 

[Bocajetfan]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

I know people look at Denver and suggest anything they did there is radioactive, but there are times where things just go wrong and I think that was the perfect example of it. This is a great idea... more often than not, coaches can't get through to players- especially the modern athlete. In a case like Mike LaFleur and Rob Calabrese, no one doubts their football knowledge. The problem is they don't know how to teach. It's easier said then done. It may not have worked in Denver, but I would be happy to see this with us, especially because "teaching" the QBs and WRs has been two of our biggest shortcomings on offense. 

Getting WR to run routes find the soft spot in a zone D and develop timing that has been needed here for a long time. Very few WR come out of the college game with those abilities. Finding a coach that can teach these skills can be as difficult as finding a player willing too learn them.

[mrcoops]

23 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The guy we took in the supplemental draft in 1990 that cost us a #1 draft pick in the following year's draft, where we missed Brett Favre by 1 pick (despite Ron Wolf ranking him the #1 player in the entire draft).

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48987/hof-nominee-ron-wolf-reflects-on-jets-and-the-almost-brett-favre-trade

Yeah, that still stings. Moore was an excellent receiver though, and has turned into a pretty good position coach, by all accounts.

[football guy]

27 minutes ago, Bocajetfan said:

Getting WR to run routes find the soft spot in a zone D and develop timing that has been needed here for a long time. Very few WR come out of the college game with those abilities. Finding a coach that can teach these skills can be as difficult as finding a player willing too learn them.

Well said. Some fans point to Garrett Wilson as if he should be the standard, but he's the exception to the rule. Elijah Moore and Denzel Mims are very talented players. I see no reason why Moore can't be a Diontae Johnson-level receiver, if not better. I see no reason why Mims can't be a Marquez Valdes-Scantling-level receiver, if not better. I think coaching has been the primary reason both players haven't been able to break-out for both players: Moore hasn't been disciplined enough, Mims hasn't been taught enough, and both haven't been put in positions to be successful (mainly due to how MLF designed the scheme). 

When the Jets put together this offensive staff, they anticipated that Greg Knapp was going to spend a lot of time aiding and developing Calabrese and the QBs, which theoretically would've freed up some of MLF's time and ability to assist Miles Austin with the WRs. I don't think that would've solved the problem either way because MLF's expectations out of his receivers are similar to Shanahan's - extreme - but it likely had something to do with some of the young players not being able to develop and break out... 

[C Mart]

34 minutes ago, football guy said:

Well said. Some fans point to Garrett Wilson as if he should be the standard, but he's the exception to the rule. Elijah Moore and Denzel Mims are very talented players. I see no reason why Moore can't be a Diontae Johnson-level receiver, if not better. I see no reason why Mims can't be a Marquez Valdes-Scantling-level receiver, if not better. I think coaching has been the primary reason both players haven't been able to break-out for both players: Moore hasn't been disciplined enough, Mims hasn't been taught enough, and both haven't been put in positions to be successful (mainly due to how MLF designed the scheme). 

When the Jets put together this offensive staff, they anticipated that Greg Knapp was going to spend a lot of time aiding and developing Calabrese and the QBs, which theoretically would've freed up some of MLF's time and ability to assist Miles Austin with the WRs. I don't think that would've solved the problem either way because MLF's expectations out of his receivers are similar to Shanahan's - extreme - but it likely had something to do with some of the young players not being able to develop and break out... 

I have only read about Ryan & Azzanni interviewing for WR coach.  Have you heard of any others?

[hotrodcharlie]

I think they should look at who is coaching the WRs at Ohio State and pay a little to bring him up.
 

I dislike the Buckeyes but these Ohio State receivers are coming to the NFL as polished route runners unlike any I have seen in recent memory

[C Mart]

4 minutes ago, hotrodcharlie said:

I think they should look at who is coaching the WRs at Ohio State and pay a little to bring him up.
 

I dislike the Buckeyes but these Ohio State receivers are coming to the NFL as polished route runners unlike any I have seen in recent memory

Ex-NFL WR Brian Hartline..He's now their OC

[PepPep]

On 2/14/2023 at 11:29 PM, Green Ghost said:

I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on this, but the additions the Jets made to their CS this offseason seem pretty uninspired to me. 
I hope I’m wrong.

I'm no expert either. But I like them! 

Hackett, Keith Carter and Todd Downing all have a ton of experience. I absolutely love that. They have connections to QBs we are rumored to be going after- Rodgers, Carr, Tannenhill. I have absolutely no issue with their coaching records. Although I do realize they aren't spotless and Hackett in particular was a terrible head coach and a much better offensive coordinator.   

Seems to me like the Jets plan to play defense, run the heck out of the ball and rely on an experienced stud QB to minimize turnovers and step up to move the chains and/or put points on the board when needed. Kind of the way the Titans and SF play the game. 

I would imagine apart from getting a vet QB, the Jets (despite all the fan concerns) WILL invest on the o-line this offseason. Either in the draft or FA or both.   

[Green Ghost]

1 minute ago, PepPep said:

I'm no expert either. But I like them! 

Hackett, Keith Carter and Todd Downing all have a ton of experience. I absolutely love that. They have connections to QBs we are rumored to be going after- Rodgers, Carr, Tannenhill. I have absolutely no issue with their coaching records. Although I do realize they aren't spotless and Hackett in particular was a terrible head coach and a much better offensive coordinator.   

Seems to me like the Jets plan to play defense, run the heck out of the ball and rely on an experienced stud QB to minimize turnovers and step up to move the chains and/or put points on the board when needed. Kind of the way the Titans and SF play the game. 

I would imagine apart from getting a vet QB, the Jets (despite all the fan concerns) WILL invest on the o-line this offseason. Either in the draft or FA or both.   

Let’s hope you’re correct, pep.