Timing - Carr vs Rodgers

[JETS SB]

So we are meeting with Derek Carr this weekend. We know that Aaron Rodgers is in the dark and might not be making a decision until next week, the earliest. 
 

Do we wait for Rodgers to make his decision, if we have the opportunity to sign Carr this weekend ? 
 

Personally I think it’s safer and there is more upside to wait on Rodgers, risking Carr, and if we miss out, it’s Tannehill or Jimmy G, etc. 

I just think the possibility of getting to a Super Bowl in the short term, is better than being an above average team for the longer term. 
 

Thoughts ?

[ScarletKnight89]

He has to make a decision he wants to play, then he has to decide along with the Packers if it makes sense to stay in GB, if they determine it's best to move on he needs to then want to come play for the Jets. 

There's a lot there and I don't think anyone knows for sure he'd like to come to the Jets. Raiders seem like the logical fit although I could see Rodgers liking Saleh better than McDaniels. 

[Beerfish]

If you are 100% convinced Aaron Rodgers is mvp Aaron of two years ago and not Aaaron Rodgers of last year who was about equal to carr then you wait.

If it was me I'd get Carr right now, and start planning the rest of the off season knowing we had a competent QB long term.

I do not feel Rodgers instantly elevates us to super bowl, his team had three years in a row with 13 wins and they never won it.

[Wit]

Carr is gonna wait on Rodgers and have the rest of the teams bid against each other. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

3 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

He has to make a decision he wants to play, then he has to decide along with the Packers if it makes sense to stay in GB, if they determine it's best to move on he needs to then want to come play for the Jets. 

There's a lot there and I don't think anyone knows for sure he'd like to come to the Jets. Raiders seem like the logical fit although I could see Rodgers liking Saleh better than McDaniels. 

He is 100pct playing and 100pct leaving the packers. He's denied rumoursthat he is retiring and the Packers are ready to move on with Love.

The only question is where he is going and what will it cost. 

[TommyT]

So many people here want Carr. He is appealing, durable and safe. If we are aiming for safe, then sign him. Not sure if this qualifies as swinging for the fences. I would wait to see if Lamar Jackson has the non-exclusive tag and negotiate with him, but I am sure this will not be popular.

[JohnnyLV]

I don't get trading for Rodgers at all...there are so many deep yellow if not red flags about the whole idea and I also fundamentally disagree with the concept that we are "just a QB away" from some mythical SB run.

[Rhg1084]

At this point in their careers how much better is Rodgers than Carr anyway? I’d sign Carr this weekend and be done with it. He’s 9 years younger and won’t cost us any draft capital

[Jetstream]

I feel Rodgers will...

• - make us wait, with no guarantee he chooses us
• - cost us picks and $$
• - possibly bail after 1 year

Not saying Carr is on the same level, but IF we wait and don't get rodgers we're back to White/Wilson... possibly

 

[Jet Blast]

For me it's not all about signing a QB based on his playing ability. I prefer Rodgers, but I say let's grab Carr if he is willing to sign with us so we don't wind up having a second tier (or worse) QB behind center. We're playing musical chairs here and we don't want to be left standing when the music stops.

[Green Ghost]

54 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

He has to make a decision he wants to play, then he has to decide along with the Packers if it makes sense to stay in GB, if they determine it's best to move on he needs to then want to come play for the Jets. 

There's a lot there and I don't think anyone knows for sure he'd like to come to the Jets. Raiders seem like the logical fit although I could see Rodgers liking Saleh better than McDaniels. 

Good post.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m curious why you think the Raiders would be the logical fit?

[Thai Jet]

Aaron Rodgers is one of my favorite QB in the league today. That being said I do NOT want him for our Jets. I think he's getting burned out and would come with too much drama. I also don't think he could handle the brutal NY media. I was disapponted in his lack of effort to workout pre season with his new receivers. Finally after 1/2 the season they started to click but it was waaay too late for the playoffs.

  If Carr is agreeable I'd sign him this weekend unless JD has another QB in mind like Tanny ? . 

 

[Green Ghost]

35 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

At this point in their careers how much better is Rodgers than Carr anyway? I’d sign Carr this weekend and be done with it. He’s 9 years younger and won’t cost us any draft capital

The only issue I have with this is I don’t see why Carr would sign here right away without exploring all his options.
At worst he’s the 1B option available. Some would say he’s 1A.

[Green Ghost]

54 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I don't get trading for Rodgers at all...there are so many deep yellow if not red flags about the whole idea and I also fundamentally disagree with the concept that we are "just a QB away" from some mythical SB run.

come on, how can you say you “don’t get the idea of trading for Aaron Rodgers” and expect to be taken seriously?

Whether you agree with or not, how can you not understand why someone else would?

[ScarletKnight89]

33 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Good post.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m curious why you think the Raiders would be the logical fit?

He's from the west coast and he has the relationship with Adams. Vegas is probably more appealing to him than Florham Park. It's not really based on anymore than that. I also think the Jets QB situation is a bit of a quagmire so I don't know why someone like Rodgers who has had a Hall of Fame career would want to finish it up with the Jets and the run risk of dealing with the New York media and all that comes with that. But maybe he likes the idea of the challenge. Who knows?

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, JETS SB said:

So we are meeting with Derek Carr this weekend. We know that Aaron Rodgers is in the dark and might not be making a decision until next week, the earliest. 
 

Do we wait for Rodgers to make his decision, if we have the opportunity to sign Carr this weekend ? 
 

Personally I think it’s safer and there is more upside to wait on Rodgers, risking Carr, and if we miss out, it’s Tannehill or Jimmy G, etc. 

I just think the possibility of getting to a Super Bowl in the short term, is better than being an above average team for the longer term. 
 

Thoughts ?

Carr is scheduled to meet with others and will.  He’d be dumb not to

[JETS SB]

18 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

He's from the west coast and he has the relationship with Adams. Vegas is probably more appealing to him than Florham Park. It's not really based on anymore than that. I also think the Jets QB situation is a bit of a quagmire so I don't know why someone like Rodgers who has had a Hall of Fame career would want to finish it up with the Jets and the run risk of dealing with the New York media and all that comes with that. But maybe he likes the idea of the challenge. Who knows?

Kinda think he would want a chance at a Super Bowl. Does he have a better chance with Vegas or the Jets? I think the Jets defense is very appealing to a guy that rarely has had a good defense. 

[Rhg1084]

17 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Carr is scheduled to meet with others and will.  He’d be dumb not to

There are no other scheduled visits known for Carr. For all we know he could be signed tomorrow on his visit here 

[Jet Nut]

9 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

There are no other scheduled visits known for Carr. For all we know he could be signed tomorrow on his visit here 

Until there are. 
You think Carolina and Tampa aren’t interested and wont be setting up a meeting?

Hes a FA, even if the Jets are his choice, why wouldn’t he listen to all possible offers?

[CanadienJetsFan]

2 hours ago, TommyT said:

So many people here want Carr. He is appealing, durable and safe. If we are aiming for safe, then sign him. Not sure if this qualifies as swinging for the fences. I would wait to see if Lamar Jackson has the non-exclusive tag and negotiate with him, but I am sure this will not be popular.

I’d wait for Lamar.

[JohnnyLV]

6 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

come on, how can you say you “don’t get the idea of trading for Aaron Rodgers” and expect to be taken seriously?

Whether you agree with or not, how can you not understand why someone else would?

Because of the totality of the cost and past history.

Red flags for the trade:

1. He noticeably declined last year and almost no QB in NFL history has had a better year than the year he was 38 and most drop completely off the map. And Rodgers is 40

2. It is fanciful and completely unreasonable to think he will play anywhere near his level of 2 and 3 years ago and it is very doubtful he would even match last year.

3. He will cost a significant amount of draft capital. It is unlikely to be 2 1s but is probably significantly more than the Favre trade and the Jets need to fill a ton of spots

4. There is a statement in the NFL that if you are thinking about retiring you are already retired. And Rodgers is very very much in this boat,

5. There is a non-zero chance that Rodgers if we trade for him never takes a single snap for the Jets. He will likely get accelerated money in a restructure if traded and that will be upfront money. He WILL skip the entire offseason program and when TC comes around he much just decided to take the money and retire.

6. He is exceptionally good at football but me and this is subjective I do not get the feeling he loves football.

7. He is a complete flake

8. His cap hit in Year 2 or 3 will be crippling even with some restructure

9. He did not win the SB or even get to the SB having an MVP season on teams better than the Jets are now

10. Unlike what many think here, we are NOT a good QB away from being a SB contender. We will have a harder schedule, and filling out the roster will be significantly harder with the cap and draft capital cost to get him.

If Rodgers was a FA, then sure take a flier maybe he helps Zach develop. But the reality is that you are mortgaging the future for a declining 40 year old QB that is more looney tunes by the day, that will likely never play at even the level of last season, and may not even want to put the effort in.

It is an incredibly bad idea.

 

[Hex]

16 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

1. He noticeably declined last year and almost no QB in NFL history has had a better year than the year he was 38 and most drop completely off the map. And Rodgers is 40

I wouldn't say Rodgers visibly declined as much as he didn't have a #1 WR and his defense fell off a cliff. Most of his INTs were concentrated in a couple games.  He comes to the Jets, with their #4 defense, OROY and would be OROY in GW and Hall, as well as a (hopefully) healthy and improved OL, and he looks like the MVP we saw a year ago.

22 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

3. He will cost a significant amount of draft capital. It is unlikely to be 2 1s but is probably significantly more than the Favre trade and the Jets need to fill a ton of spots

This is a good point.

23 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

6. He is exceptionally good at football but me and this is subjective I do not get the feeling he loves football.

7. He is a complete flake

Neither of these matter. He'll still be by far the best QB the Jets have had ever. 

24 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

9. He did not win the SB or even get to the SB having an MVP season on teams better than the Jets are now

10. Unlike what many think here, we are NOT a good QB away from being a SB contender. We will have a harder schedule, and filling out the roster will be significantly harder with the cap and draft capital cost to get him.

 

These are both good points. However, I think you would be surprised on how much JD can reduce the cap to be able to take the Arod his as well as the new rookies and FA. This trade will not even happen if JD doesn't think he can do it.

 

The big issue overall is that the Jets are kind of in a hole. The QB market isn't great this year aside from Carr and Rodgers, and Carr is probably going to the Saints. And don't tell me Tannehill or Garappollo is going to cut it.

[Dunnie]

 

CARR - NEWER ECONOMICAL RELIABLE GOOD PERFORMANCE

VS

ROGERS - OLDER EXPENSIVE LEGENDARY PERFORMANCE

FAIRLY EASY DECISION

Edited February 18, 2023 by Dunnie

[Dunnie]

When is Rogers expected to emerge from that dank pit of reflection ?

Edited February 18, 2023 by Dunnie

[Jet25]

20 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

He has to make a decision he wants to play, then he has to decide along with the Packers if it makes sense to stay in GB, if they determine it's best to move on he needs to then want to come play for the Jets.

Rodgers isn't going into darkness retreat thinking about if he wants to continue playing or retire. He already said he wants to play next season

[jetsons]

Rodgers or Bust

[playtowinthegame]

Jets are loaded with offensive skill position players and have a championship caliber defense. That's why a quarterback would choose the New York Jets in 2023. Derek Carr gives the Jets leverage with the Packers. Simple as that. It's just a matter of Joe Douglas standing his ground by letting the Packers know the No. 13th pick in the 2023 NFL Draft is untouchable. If the Packers say no to that then sign Derek Carr who wants to be the Jets starting quarterback.

[Adoni Beast]

• Rodgers vs Carr —> Rodgers clearly is the better choice.

• However, the draft capital it will cost for possibly only 1 year of Rodgers balances the choice out

• If we pay the cost of Rodgers I would hope we get some kind of 2 year commitment from Rodgers before pulling the trigger 

• If we are waiting for Rodgers to emerge from another darkness retreat next offseason…then save the picks and sign Carr now