Carr vs Stafford (career stats). Closer than you think!

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Here’s a quick summary.

Rating:  Carr 91.8 vs. Stafford 90.9

QBR (last 4 yrs):  Stafford pre-trade = 65.2 > 65.3 > 51.3 > 71.3; Carr = 64.1 > 64.3 > 58.4 > 55.5

TD/Int:  Carr = 2.19; Stafford = 1.97

Completion %:   Carr = 64.6; Stafford = 63.2

Passing Yards per game:  Stafford = 272; Carr = 242

Yards per completion:  Stafford = 11.55; Carr = 11.0

Sacks:  Advantage Carr

Durability:  Advantage Carr

Win/Loss:  Stafford = 44.8%; Carr = 44.4%

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The Rams traded Goff, 2 first round picks & a third round pick for then 33 year old Stafford.

The Jets would not have to trade any assets for soon to be 32 year old Carr.

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Dead end Derek meet Dead end Stafford who was traded and then won a Suoer Bowl.

Good grief!  What am I missing?

[oatmeal]

3 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Here’s a quick summary.

Rating:  Carr 91.8 vs. Stafford 90.9

QBR (last 4 yrs):  Stafford pre-trade = 65.2 > 65.3 > 51.3 > 71.3; Carr = 64.1 > 64.3 > 58.4 > 55.5

TD/Int:  Carr = 2.19; Stafford = 1.97

Completion %:   Carr = 64.6; Stafford = 63.2

Passing Yards per game:  Stafford = 272; Carr = 242

Yards per completion:  Stafford = 11.55; Carr = 11.0

Sacks:  Advantage Carr

Durability:  Advantage Carr

Win/Loss:  Stafford = 44.8%; Carr = 44.4%

——————————————————————-

The Rams traded Goff, 2 first round picks & a third round pick for then 33 year old Stafford.

The Jets would not have to trade any assets for soon to be 32 year old Carr.

______________________________________
 

Dead end Derek meet Dead end Stafford who was traded and then won a Suoer Bowl.

Good grief!  What am I missing?

The physical talent part of the equation 

[Gastineau Lives]

7 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

The physical talent part of the equation 

Zach Wilson fan^^^^

[Gastineau Lives]

8 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

The physical talent part of the equation 

Yeah but how does he look in a uniform amirite?

[Ron Rico]

We need to start a Derek Carr vs thread for all the QB's in the league.

[BurntDice]

I can’t wait till someone is signed already. Hopefully less than another week of this 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

More stats for those who care.  For those who don’t, why are you even at this point?

And by the way, I’m not team Derek.  I’m just sick of headline narratives.  If you want to look closer between 2 guys who seem to be very comparable, then you might have found this interesting.  

Here’s another note:  Derek Carr’s defenses have given up 24-30 points per game every year in his career.  In no year has this even ranked in the top 20 teams and mostly 25-32.

Interestingly Matthew Stafford has had a few decent-good defenses in his time but mostly been in a similar situation to Carr before being traded to the Rams.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

10 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

We need to start a Derek Carr vs thread for all the QB's in the league.

Why don’t you hop on that?

[T0mShane]

Stafford stinks too

[Biggs]

I like to compare Carr to Stidham.  They both played for the same team under similiar conditions.  Carr 86.3 QB Rating, Stidham 89.2.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Stafford stinks too

Maybe TOm, but the Rams won a Super Bowl with him 2 years ago.  So he’s a good benchmark and counter argument to those who say the Jets could not go deep with Carr.

Quite frankly at this point, I’d take an away Wild Card game ;).

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

3 minutes ago, Biggs said:

I like to compare Carr to Stidham.  They both played for the same team under similiar conditions.  Carr 86.3 QB Rating, Stidham 89.2.  

Let’s ignore sample sizes and context (Stidham having familiarity with the HC from their time with the Pats).

[Biggs]

Just now, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Let’s ignore sample sizes and context (Stidham having familiarity with the HC from their time with the Pats).

Did Stafford have familiarity with McVay?  Discuss.

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

More stats for those who care.  For those who don’t, why are you even at this point?

And by the way, I’m not team Derek.  I’m just sick of headline narratives.  If you want to look closer between 2 guys who seem to be very comparable, then you might have found this interesting.  

Here’s another note:  Derek Carr’s defenses have given up 24-30 points per game every year in his career.  In no year has this even ranked in the top 20 teams and mostly 25-32.

Interestingly Matthew Stafford has had a few decent-good defenses in his time but mostly been in a similar situation to Carr before being traded to the Rama.

Bad defense might excuse a poor won-loss record, but it certainly will help in the yards per game stat. 

[undertow]

All of these Derek Carr threads are going to age about as well as the Zach Wilson and Denzel Mims ones.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

Did Stafford have familiarity with McVay?  Discuss.

One went to a situation that was a good fit, another is looking to leave a situation that was not a good fit.

My point is Stidham played 2-3 games so he’s not a statistically relevant comparison point and there’s some historical context worth considering.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 minute ago, undertow said:

All of these Derek Carr threads are going to age about as well as the Zach Wilson and Denzel Mims ones.

Why?  You’ve spoken to him and it’s not happening?

[#27TheDominator]

24 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

We need to start a Derek Carr vs thread for all the QB's in the league.

Can someone compare him to Greg Landry and Brian Sipe? 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Bad defense might excuse a poor won-loss record, but it certainly will help in the yards per game stat. 

Agreed, which is why the Stafford comparison is a good one since they both had bad defenses.

No?

[Ron Rico]

1 minute ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Why?  You’ve spoken to him and it’s not happening?

They had a meeting over the weekend, you didn't hear?

[Barry McCockinner]

29 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

We need to start a Derek Carr vs thread for all the QB's in the league.

you seem to complain about threads a lot. Are you paying per thread created?

This forum has a cool feature where you can not click on threads you're not interested in.

[Ron Rico]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

you seem to complain about threads a lot. Are you paying per thread created?

This forum has a cool feature where you can not click on threads you're not interested in.

I do complain about threads a lot. Yes, I agree.

[Barry McCockinner]

12 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Bad defense might excuse a poor won-loss record, but it certainly will help in the yards per game stat. 

I wonder how much throwing to Megatron for a large chunk of your career increases your yards per game?

[Darnold's Forehead]

Damn I thought I was a negative Jets fan.  Apparently not after reading a majority of replies in this thread.

Enjoy Jacoby Brissett and Zach Wilson people.

[Biggs]

6 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

One went to a situation that was a good fit, another is looking to leave a situation that was not a good fit.

My point is Stidham played 2-3 games so he’s not a statistically relevant comparison point and there’s some historical context worth considering.

Carr had the No 1 running back in the league last year, great weapons and his production declined.   He wasn't good last year.   

His one playoff game the year before he wasn't good.

I dont think Stafford wins a SB with this Jets team and coaching staff.   I think Stafford is a lot more talented than Carr.

 

[Ron Rico]

1 minute ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

Damn I thought I was a negative Jets fan.  Apparently not after reading a majority of replies in this thread.

Enjoy Jacoby Brissett and Zach Wilson people.

Who's fault is it that Carr isn't JD's first choice, and the Jets are not Carr's first choice? 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

3 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

They had a meeting over the weekend, you didn't hear?

Meaning he’s running away from the Jets after that meaning?  Lol.  That’s quite possible 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

7 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

Damn I thought I was a negative Jets fan.  Apparently not after reading a majority of replies in this thread.

Enjoy Jacoby Brissett and Zach Wilson people.

It’s unreal.  People take time to pull stats and open it up for discussion yet the discussion mostly goes nowhere. 

[playtowinthegame]

38 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Stafford stinks too

 

Did you ever pay off your college loans and open that cannoli restaurant from your bet on Stafford with the Rams?

[Ron Rico]

1 minute ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Meaning he’s running away from the Jets after that meaning?  Lol.  That’s quite possible 

The next time Carr is in NJ he'll be playing against the Jets or the Giants. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

14 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Carr had the No 1 running back in the league last year, great weapons and his production declined.   He wasn't good last year.   

His one playoff game the year before he wasn't good.

I dont think Stafford wins a SB with this Jets team and coaching staff.   I think Stafford is a lot more talented than Carr.

 

For whatever reason, he wasn’t good last year.  I’m not debating that.

Im suggesting that a change of scenery might be good, much like it was for Stafford.

Maybe Carr didn’t fit the style of play, maybe he felt constrained by no longer having the audible, I don’t know enough about why it didn’t work.

Stats over 10 years tell you their productivity has been similar on teams with similarly bad defenses.  Zach also might be more talented than Carr but that doesn’t mean he’s a better Qb.

[Joe W. Namath]

Carr sucks and Stafford had a Super Bowl bought for him.

Jet fans.......................................

[bgivs21]

Stafford > Carr. End of story. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

3 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

The next time Carr is in NJ he'll be playing against the Jets or the Giants. 

You might be right, that’s not the point of this thread.  I believe the Jets are smart for showing interest in both Carr & Rodgers and that Carr might be a good fit if the Jets gain a better (positive) understanding of his personality, desire to win and how he has performed in cold weather.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

3 minutes ago, bgivs21 said:

Stafford > Carr. End of story. 

Speaking absolutes when stats over 10 years suggest they’re closer than recent perception = Arrogance or ignorance.  Don’t know if either is a better trait.