32EBoozer Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 I won’t bother rehashing the failure that the 2020 Draft was for JD. In retrospect, can you imagine being the Raiders? Yikes! Looking at the 2021 Draft doesn’t make me much happier! Lots of misses with those 10 picks. Makes you think “If Only…” 2023 Could be JD’s Waterloo in FA & Draft #12 Riggs in prison #19 Arnette released for multiple gun charges #80 Bowden released #81 Edwards released #100 Muse released #109 Simpson backup Guard #139 Robertson backup Nickel CB Mayock Fired Gruden Fired for email-gate 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted February 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2023 Simpson was waived in December. Baltimore then stashed him on their practice squad, so NB Robertson is the only one who hasn’t been released within 3 seasons. Puts Mayock’s draft grading into perspective. Given a chance to do it himself - armed with multiple 1sts (and 5 picks in days 1+2) at that - and he puts forth a sub-Maccagnan draft. Next time “expert” Mayock gives us or anyone a bad post-draft grade, keep in mind a middle school child armed with text-only internet access (without access to any game film or interviews) probably would’ve yielded better results, just aggregating other onliners’ ratings. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTJet Posted February 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2023 All this pales in comparison to selecting Zach Wilson #2 overall. 8 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bla bla bla Posted February 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, JTJet said: All this pales in comparison to selecting Zach Wilson #2 overall. You mean Zach Wilson, the QB that's compared to JaMarcus Russell? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, JTJet said: All this pales in comparison to selecting Zach Wilson #2 overall. While Zach has been a colossal bust and will likely never develop into an average QB, the pick at the time was acceptable. There is a difference between bad picks at the time who end of being bad picks, and the correct pick at the time being a bust. Zach was the correct pick at the time. The inverse is that Quinnen Williams was the wrong pick at the time who has developed into an all-pro DT. Quinnen was the wrong pick at the time. 4 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 I funniest thing about this draft class is some people refused to believe it sucked till like 6 months ago " Jabari Zuniga , Perrine and Denzel Mims are studs I predict they break out this year" lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 25, 2023 Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, undertow said: I funniest thing about this draft class is some people refused to believe it sucked till like 6 months ago " Jabari Zuniga , Perrine and Denzel Mims are studs I predict they break out this year" lmao LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Green Ghost Posted February 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2023 I don’t know why, but i don’t feel any better about our 2020 draft after reading the OP. Then I think about the ‘21 draft and Zach Wilson, and I want to vomit. Last year was a terrific draft. We hit very big on 3 of our 4 picks in the top 35. How often will we have that many top picks? It smells like an outlier. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I don’t know why, but i don’t feel any better about our 2020 draft after reading the OP. Then I think about the ‘21 draft and Zach Wilson, and I want to vomit. Last year was a terrific draft. We hit very big on 3 of our 4 picks in the top 35. How often will we have that many top picks? It smells like an outlier. The downside is also all these guys will be up for contracts at the same time which means half of them will be gone...another reason why worrying about who the QB in 2026 is silly this team needs to go for it now while all these guys are on their rookie deals. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 30 minutes ago, undertow said: The downside is also all these guys will be up for contracts at the same time which means half of them will be gone...another reason why worrying about who the QB in 2016 is silly this team needs to go for it now while all these guys are on their rookie deals. I don’t worry about a good GM dealing with paying too many good player, in fact it’s what we should be hoping to have happen. That will only be a problem if all those guys continue their good play and stay healthy. What are the actual odds of that? We’ve already seen “good picks” like AVT and Hall miss all or almost entire seasons with one major injury. If a guy like that has another, or doesn’t come back the same as he was, you have to be smart and move on. If they do continue to perform at a high level, it’s a good problem to have, and can be managed by manipulating the cap wisely. All you have to do is look at a team like the Cowboys for example, and all the big contracts they’ve given out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I don’t worry about a good GM dealing with paying too many good player, in fact it’s what we should be hoping to have happen. That will only be a problem if all those guys continue their good play and stay healthy. What are the actual odds of that? We’ve already seen “good picks” like AVT and Hall miss all or almost entire seasons with one major injury. If a guy like that has another, or doesn’t come back the same as he was, you have to be smart and move on. If they do continue to perform at a high level, it’s a good problem to have, and can be managed by manipulating the cap wisely. All you have to do is look at a team like the Cowboys for example, and all the big contracts they’ve given out. It's a good problem to have but most teams have windows and then need to reset unless they have a top 5 QB or run their organizations like the Pats or Ravens...... the Jets window is the next 2-3 years unless JD continues to draft well which you just said was unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, undertow said: It's a good problem to have but most teams have windows and then need to reset unless they have a top 5 QB or run their organizations like the Pats or Ravens...... the Jets window is the next 2-3 years unless JD continues to draft well which you just said was unlikely. I get what you’re saying, but I think good organizations don’t think “windows”. They would look at a situation like ours now as the beginning of building a long term winning program. I’d like us to follow the Steelers model rather than the Browns. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Cam Clark is the only one on the list that was potentially developing into a solid player...then he broke his neck. #SOJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I get what you’re saying, but I think good organizations don’t think “windows”. They would look at a situation like ours now as the beginning of building a long term winning program. I’d like us to follow the Steelers model rather than the Browns. Most teams are the Rams and Eagles not the Chiefs I'm just looking for 1 SB...and if you want to follow the Steelers or Pats model we should be drafting QBs not signing Derek Carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 becton was good when healthy as a rookie. hall also was pretty good. davis and mims have show flashes but ultimately haven't lived up to their draft statuses. clark showed potential then got permanently hurt. i remember everyone drooling over mann when he was drafted. the way it's unfolded has this as a terrible draft but the potential was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 2 hours ago, JTJet said: All this pales in comparison to selecting Zach Wilson #2 overall. I made a huge mistake, but I hope you still love... my tiny nipples. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Green Ghost said: I don’t know why, but i don’t feel any better about our 2020 draft after reading the OP. Then I think about the ‘21 draft and Zach Wilson, and I want to vomit. Last year was a terrific draft. We hit very big on 3 of our 4 picks in the top 35. How often will we have that many top picks? It smells like an outlier. I agree but with the way the last couple GM’s drafted they would have screwed that up too. But honestly as far as drafting go’s Douglas hit in AVT and last years drafts. Absolute dogs shit besides that. His FA stuff has been mixed bag but his ability to not get us a QB is his biggest fault. What a clown 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, undertow said: Most teams are the Rams and Eagles not the Chiefs I'm just looking for 1 SB...and if you want to follow the Steelers or Pats model we should be drafting QBs not signing Derek Carr. I don’t expect you to remember what I said I’d prefer doing this offseason, if you did however you’d know my preference would be to move up to get CJ Stroud. (not the most popular view, for sure lol) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Green Ghost said: I don’t expect you to remember what I said I’d prefer doing this offseason, if you did however you’d know my preference would be to move up to get CJ Stroud. (not the most popular view, for sure lol) That makes sense I'm not against that what I reject is signing a mediocre QB for 5 years....either go all in or continue to draft well and take shots at college QBs and sign a stop gap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 2 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: While Zach has been a colossal bust and will likely never develop into an average QB, the pick at the time was acceptable. There is a difference between bad picks at the time who end of being bad picks, and the correct pick at the time being a bust. Zach was the correct pick at the time. The inverse is that Quinnen Williams was the wrong pick at the time who has developed into an all-pro DT. Quinnen was the wrong pick at the time. This is what I remember. I wanted to hang onto Darnold and take Jamarr Chase. Darnold would have flopped anyway but I kept hearing from all my Jet fan friends at the time "nah, Zach Wilson - he's the guy". I'm sure there were some who always thought he'd be a bust, but it sure felt like the majority of fans were on board. Also I can't get too down on JD for the 2020 draft considering it was the Covid draft, and all things considered Becton actually looked good when he was on the field. Still time for him to erase the bust label, especially considering the reports we've seen about him taking his weight seriously. But yeah, overall I think JD's draft record has been pretty damn good so I can overlook a poor draft during a weird, once in a lifetime circumstance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 The third and fourth round picks really killed that draft. Davis, safety who just started playing football ? ( should have been 7th rounder or un drafted FA. Zuniga, injury prone in college. Perine, RB with average measurables at a replaceable position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 56 minutes ago, heymangold said: becton was good when healthy as a rookie. hall also was pretty good. davis and mims have show flashes but ultimately haven't lived up to their draft statuses. clark showed potential then got permanently hurt. i remember everyone drooling over mann when he was drafted. the way it's unfolded has this as a terrible draft but the potential was there. I think Mims is debatably worse that Zach Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 And in the 2021 draft their 1st pick isn't even on the team either Alex Leatherwood is on the Bears now Problem with this argument is I don't see how saying 'look, there was a GM worse at drafting than JD' is a good argument for him in any way. One could point to the 2021 draft after #2 being pretty good, especially considering AVT, or the 2022 draft, and the trends of how his drafting has gotten better and better each year since COVID. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 5 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: I won’t bother rehashing the failure that the 2020 Draft was for JD. In retrospect, can you imagine being the Raiders? Yikes! Looking at the 2021 Draft doesn’t make me much happier! Lots of misses with those 10 picks. Makes you think “If Only…” 2023 Could be JD’s Waterloo in FA & Draft #12 Riggs in prison #19 Arnette released for multiple gun charges #80 Bowden released #81 Edwards released #100 Muse released #109 Simpson backup Guard #139 Robertson backup Nickel CB Mayock Fired Gruden Fired for email-gate Like it or not, the majority of the guys drafted by both teams are still in the league and four of the jets nine are starting or have starting. Granted it wasn’t a great draft compared to 2022 but the majority of the nfl is made up of part time or on the cusp players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 4 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: While Zach has been a colossal bust and will likely never develop into an average QB, the pick at the time was acceptable. There is a difference between bad picks at the time who end of being bad picks, and the correct pick at the time being a bust. Zach was the correct pick at the time. The inverse is that Quinnen Williams was the wrong pick at the time who has developed into an all-pro DT. Quinnen was the wrong pick at the time. Well said! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, rangerous said: Like it or not, the majority of the guys drafted by both teams are still in the league and four of the jets nine are starting or have starting. Granted it wasn’t a great draft compared to 2022 but the majority of the nfl is made up of part time or on the cusp players. Hall is the only player you could consider at cusp guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 5 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: While Zach has been a colossal bust and will likely never develop into an average QB, the pick at the time was acceptable. There is a difference between bad picks at the time who end of being bad picks, and the correct pick at the time being a bust. Zach was the correct pick at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 25, 2023 Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, rangerous said: Like it or not, the majority of the guys drafted by both teams are still in the league and four of the jets nine are starting or have starting. Granted it wasn’t a great draft compared to 2022 but the majority of the nfl is made up of part time or on the cusp players. Can you point to the 4th "Starter"? And I don't mean a guy filling in for a few snaps or finishing due to injury or tanking in game 16 or 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 I'm impressed Carr did as well as he did with that dumpster fire organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) . Edited February 25, 2023 by undertow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Becton turning into an All Pro LT is gonna smack all you betches in the face and bow to Joe D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtomm Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, JTJet said: All this pales in comparison to selecting Zach Wilson #2 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Dunnie said: I think Mims is debatably worse that Zach Wilson. Impossible 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: LOL! I think the approach of high athletic profile is a big piece to the evaluation puzzle. Douglas has followed similar tendencies through to top 2 rounds of the last 2 drafts as well. There is nothing that will convince me James Morgan was ever the correct pick in the 4th. The 3rd and 4th rounds are really my biggest issues with this draft. I am not expecting anything from Mims or Becton but I do think Becton is a good player that just can't stay healthy. Mims hasn't shown much but in a rigid MLF offense, I could see him bounce back under a new OC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 4 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: Can you point to the 4th "Starter"? And I don't mean a guy filling in for a few snaps or finishing due to injury or tanking in game 16 or 17. Becton, Davis, Mann for sure. Hall and Mims each must have started a game or two. So that makes five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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