TeachMeHowtoDouglas Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 NFL rules committee is debating this week. It’s pretty much an automatic first down when you have a Qb like Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen. If they keep it I don’t know why teams wouldn’t install a package with a TE or RB under center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSY14 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, TeachMeHowtoDouglas said: NFL rules committee is debating this week. It’s pretty much an automatic first down when you have a Qb like Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen. If they keep it I don’t know why teams wouldn’t install a package with a TE or RB under center. Bc the chance of fumbling is higher when a rb or te are under center taking the snap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeachMeHowtoDouglas Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 25 minutes ago, JETSY14 said: Bc the chance of fumbling is higher when a rb or te are under center taking the snap I think if you practiced it with one player from the start of training camp it would be fine. You really don’t think an NFL running back can take a snap from under center? Most of these guys played QB at one point in time growing up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Easy way to stop it stop letting teams get in 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 situations 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It seems unbalanced to me, I’d veto it. I always liked the drama of a 4th and short play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 why? it's a football play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensedoesntgetyoulaid Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 hours ago, TeachMeHowtoDouglas said: It’s pretty much an automatic first down when you have a Qb like Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen. Erm, did you watch the Bills/Vikes game? I agree though about getting rid of it, it annoys me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Dierking Posted March 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2023 Players should not be allowed to be pushed from behind. That is not football, that is Rugby. 16 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It shouldn't be allowed to continue on and on and on like it does now.At some point they blow the whistle to stop a QB who is being sacked otherwise the defense could just keep the player upright and carry him back into their own end zone for a safety. At some point forward progress has to stop or like I said a few weeks ago (in a thread that I started about this same topic) teams can simply hire Sumo Wrestlers and line them up behind the QB on every short yardage situation. No, the QB Sneak shouldn't be outlawed but the pushing of the player from behind by his teammates must be. It's also not much different in theory than players using others as springboards to try and block kicks 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 minute ago, SoFlaJets said: It shouldn't be allowed to continue on and on and on. They stop a QB being sacked the defense can just keep the player upright and carry him back into their own end zone for a safety some point forward progress must stop or like I said a few weeks ago teams can simply hire Sumo Wrestlers and line them up behind the QB on every short yardage situation. No, the QB Sneak shouldn't be outlawed but the pushing of the player from behind by his teammates must be. It's also not much different in theory than players using others as springboards to try and block kicks Better said, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 This has been going on for a long time. This is not a “eagles” play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Amen. The lamest plays in any sport are "the rules don't say we can't do it" sh*t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said: Players should not be allowed to be pushed from behind. That is not football, that is Rugby. Scrum-gate! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I like it, but it is inconsistent with the early whistles we’ve seen for 15 years on “stopped forward progress” to mitigate unnecessary contact. I don’t care either way, just be consistent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: This has been going on for a long time. This is not a “eagles” play. Yes, the Eagles should be cancelled for their appropriation. That’s the important thing here! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, heymangold said: why? it's a football play Was my first thought as well. The NFL is an adapt or die league. If QB's are making high percentages of 3rd and 3 and 3rd and 1 with sneaks, the league will react and counter it. Quote I like it, but it is inconsistent with the early whistles we’ve seen for 15 years on “stopped forward progress” to mitigate unnecessary contact. 100%. Like much of refereeing of late, its too inconsistent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It should be an illegal formation & penalized as such... the same as when the offensive players push the ball carrier from behind when he's stopped to get extra yardage... that should be penalized as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 No, if every team could do it successfully they would. You’re gonna punish the few teams for being really good at a particular play? The defense can counter this. They can do the exact same thing with the line backers pushing the d linemen. the NFL and it’s coaching staffs always finds a way to stop certain plays / schemes. Notice the wild cat is damn near extinct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 QB's are protected like babies. They should ban the QB sneak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 If the officials called it correctly consistently it wouldn’t seem as effective. There were multiple in the SB where hurts got pushed backwards first, and the refs didn’t blow a whistle for forward progress. All Hurts had to do was stay upright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It should be legal. The refs need to refer to the old rule books. There's something called forward progress. They can actually blow a play dead when the runners forward motion is stopped. The don't have to allow the time for the push. It seems like most of these plays are dead and the whistle doesn't blow allowing for the second and third push. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Assisting the runner used to be illegal, if I remember correctly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 No, it should be embraced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLY Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, jetsons said: It should be an illegal formation & penalized as such... the same as when the offensive players push the ball carrier from behind when he's stopped to get extra yardage... that should be penalized as well. Oh come on, let them play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Just outlaw pushing the guy from behind. That's ridiculous. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Assisting the runner used to be illegal, if I remember correctly. Yes, you could not "push" a player, and then they changed it in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It's very ruby-ish and if that is allowed then they need to change the rules to have all ball carriers being able to be pushed forward by their teammates, which won't happen. It should not be legal play because the rules need to be consistent throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Players should not be allowed to be pushed from behind. That is not football, that is Rugby. Exactly this. You can't ban the QB sneak. It is p[art of the game. But allowing players to intentionally push the ball carrier from behind seems like an unfair advantage, not in the spirit of the game and, you are correct, more rugby than football. If they got rid of that rule, players like Hurts and Allen would still convert on sneaks but the % would not be as high and other coaches would think twice to call that play with less athletic QBs. And I have no issue with a TE or RB taking the snap. That requires much more preparation and perfect execution from a guy who doesn't do it regularly. If he gets it done, kudos to him and the coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 The Jets should bring back Darron Lee to play QB on these plays. Hall can pick him up and carry him across the LOS like a special boy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 yes it should and believe me I have been one who is all for the extra effort olineman pushes in he past. When they line up with two players off set on either side do the qb it goes from a natural push the pile thing to being an orchestrated play call. Now knowing the NFL though they will swat the mosquito of a problem with a slegehammer and make some idiotic rule to counteract it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 8 hours ago, TeachMeHowtoDouglas said: NFL rules committee is debating this week. It’s pretty much an automatic first down when you have a Qb like Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen. If they keep it I don’t know why teams wouldn’t install a package with a TE or RB under center. The play itself no .... The constant pushing from behind ? yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, WILLY said: Oh come on, let them play "That" is Not "playing"... "That" IS Hot Garbage... If I wanted to watch a scrum, I'd watch rugby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, PepPep said: Exactly this. You can't ban the QB sneak. It is p[art of the game. But allowing players to intentionally push the ball carrier from behind seems like an unfair advantage, not in the spirit of the game and, you are correct, more rugby than football. If they got rid of that rule, players like Hurts and Allen would still convert on sneaks but the % would not be as high and other coaches would think twice to call that play with less athletic QBs. And I have no issue with a TE or RB taking the snap. That requires much more preparation and perfect execution from a guy who doesn't do it regularly. If he gets it done, kudos to him and the coaching staff. It used to be illegal to assist the ball carrier in the NFL. Not sure when it became legal but teams are definitely getting better at taking advantage of the fact that it is. Having a QB who squats massive weight turns out to be pretty useful in this situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 YES. And banning it wouldn't even be a new rule. In the old days that everyone things was real football and much more violent pushing a runner was actually illegal. Rugby scrums have no place in the NFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I dont think they should ban the formation. What they should ban is the assisting the ball carrier forward. Players shouldn't be allowed to push their teammates forward. That’s more rugby than football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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