bla bla bla Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Thank you! So what you're saying is the $58 we have to pay this year - actually covers two years cap hit/salary? That seems too good to be true. I mean if that's the case - this deal is actually fantastic. Assuming he plays next year. It's because of how the contract is structured. $58m gets paid this year as a signing bonus, it will get spread over the remaining 4 years of the contract, hence the $15m hit this year. Then after the Super Bowl in 2024 you'd have another option bonus for $45m, which would be spread over the remaining 3 years of the contract. So $15m (from option 1) + $15m (from option 2) = $32m cap hit in 2024. This is also why Rodgers dead cap hit is $45m if he only play 1 year and $60m if he plays 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: It's because of how the contract is structured. $58m gets paid this year as a signing bonus, it will get spread over the remaining 4 years of the contract, hence the $15m hit this year. Then after the Super Bowl in 2024 you'd have another option bonus for $45m, which would be spread over the remaining 3 years of the contract. So $15m (from option 1) + $15m (from option 2) = $32m cap hit in 2024. This is also why Rodgers dead cap hit is $45m if he only play 1 year and $60m if he plays 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 58 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Anyone have details on Rodgers contact, specifically in 2024. If he plays in 2024 what's his cost. I know it's $58 upfront this year - does any of that $58 go to next years salary? But what does he get paid in 2024? Basically what I'm asking is total guarantee/cap hit over the two years. For the record, so you know I'm not being lazy. I did try to figure it out on my own, but this didn't really clear it up for me. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/ 15.7 million cap hit in 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: This is also why Rodgers dead cap hit is $45m if he only play 1 year and $60m if he plays 2 In this case if he chooses to retire there's no dead cap hit, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 41 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: In this case if he chooses to retire there's no dead cap hit, correct? No, it would be $45 million if he retires after next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 54 minutes ago, choon328 said: No, it would be $45 million if he retires after next season When a player retires, if they cooperate the cap hit is spread over two years. So the bill for an Aaron Rodgers one year bender would be $16mm in 2023, $16mm in 2024 (but not playing) and $16mm in 2025 (but not playing). I guess teams have seen worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: So what you're saying is the $58 we have to pay this year - actually covers two years cap hit/salary? That seems too good to be true. I mean if that's the case - this deal is actually fantastic. Assuming he plays next year. The above number are the CAP COST for Aaron Rodgers for 2023 and 2024. The cash out of pocket paid by the Jets (not our money) is more like $110mm for 2 years. If Rodgers retires after 2024, the Jets will have a $60mm dead cap hit, spread over two years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Just heard that Locked Up Beatrice is saying the Packers and Jets will be hammering out the final details tonight. Supposedly Woody said, nobody is sleeping until the trade is finalized. Hang tight. This should be over soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 7 hours ago, football guy said: There’s no panic. How this has turned out is exactly how they expected it to. If anything my guess is they may be surprised Derek waited this long (he originally wanted to sign before the combine). They were transparent with him and explained that they would wait for Rodgers. Turns out he waited about a week longer than expected Oh really? Then the Jets are stupid. Anyone should have known that Rodgers would draw things out as along as possible. If he had no deadline he was going to treat it like no deadline. I personally think the Jets blew it, I think they could have for sure gotten Carr despite the usual manta of excuse making fans who will say he always preferred new orleans. But of course my preference was Carr from day one by a wide margin over Rodgers. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, varjet said: The above number are the CAP COST for Aaron Rodgers for 2023 and 2024. The cash out of pocket paid by the Jets (not our money) is more like $110mm for 2 years. If Rodgers retires after 2024, the Jets will have a $60mm dead cap hit, spread over two years. And thus we will have no QB and a bunch of young talent that wants to get paid and a fat dead money cap hit.. The whole Rodgers pursuit has been stupid if you ask me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 hours ago, JTJet said: Chosen? Wtf? Did I miss something? I TOTALLY missed this as well. Unreal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 hours ago, varjet said: The above number are the CAP COST for Aaron Rodgers for 2023 and 2024. The cash out of pocket paid by the Jets (not our money) is more like $110mm for 2 years. If Rodgers retires after 2024, the Jets will have a $60mm dead cap hit, spread over two years. Thank you. So the big payment really are when he retires after 2024. I was wondering, because the next two years seem like a steal under this market. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, Beerfish said: And thus we will have no QB and a bunch of young talent that wants to get paid and a fat dead money cap hit.. The whole Rodgers pursuit has been stupid if you ask me. The plan would have to favor would be to draft another QB next year. Giving him a year under Rodgers - and ready to play in his second year. You'll have Wilson's salary off the books and paying a rookie. Trick is you have to draft a QB next year that you believe can play in a year. Having next year's draft capital available to move for a QB will be vital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: The plan would have to favor would be to draft another QB next year. Giving him a year under Rodgers - and ready to play in his second year. You'll have Wilson's salary off the books and paying a rookie. Trick is you have to draft a QB next year that you believe can play in a year. Having next year's draft capital available to move for a QB will be vital. Two years for Rodgers. Two years for White backing him up. Two years for White bulking up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Maxman said: Two years for Rodgers. Two years for White backing him up. Two years for White bulking up. What are you doing awake so late on a Monday night/Tues morning? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Question. Can the Jets and Packers negotiate that Packers are responsible for paying some of Rodgers contract throughout the length of contract? Hate the idea of paying Rodgers or anyone for that matter (Trumaine Johnson for instance) that keeps the team from holding onto the young talent JD has accumulated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Question. Can the Jets and Packers negotiate that Packers are responsible for paying some of Rodgers contract throughout the length of contract? Hate the idea of paying Rodgers or anyone for that matter (Trumaine Johnson for instance) that keeps the team from holding onto the young talent JD has accumulated I know the Packers can eat some contract, I was wondering if the Jets could conversely restructure the deal to a mega bonus .... Or an annuity like that met that was paid forever. Not saying that is a good idea... Just curious.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Dunnie said: I know the Packers can eat some contract, I was wondering if the Jets could conversely restructure the deal to a mega bonus .... Or an annuity like that met that was paid forever. Not saying that is a good idea... Just curious. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Don’t think that annuity thing is a good idea. Just look at the Bonilla contract. Talk about an albatross of a deal for the Mets YIKES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 12 hours ago, FidelioJet said: What are you doing awake so late on a Monday night/Tues morning? Worker bees gonna work lol. Truthfully I was probably researching something RV related I'm sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigRy56 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Greg the Leg was great last year, but a very good kicker is about to hit the market 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrcoops Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, choon328 said: I'd be all over that, if I was JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Oh boy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slimjasi Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, football guy said: Pretty big gamble. Tua is a very good young QB, but he's also probably one more concussion from being forced out of the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 A little surprising how many teams who need QBs are coming straight out saying they are not interested in a former MVP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, football guy said: Even if they wanted to pursue Lamar, they do not have a #1 draft pick to hand over to the Ravens as compensation (the compensation is actually two #1 picks, years 23& 24) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dinamite said: A little surprising how many teams who need QBs are coming straight out saying they are not interested in a former MVP... ... who represents himself and wants 50 million a year guaranteed and who has missed an awful lot of games recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 16 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Thank you. So the big payment really are when he retires after 2024. I was wondering, because the next two years seem like a steal under this market. It’s like a shorten rookie contract window. If Zach would have hit, we would be talking about a 3 year superbowl window. With Rodgers, we get a 2 year window and then have to regroup after that. Hopefully we can line a young QB to take over once he retires 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 As long as we don’t give up pick 13 (we need that for LT), we can really make this work. Joe Douglas will have a lot of work to do restructuring, getting paycuts, and deferring salary. If we get Rodgers, I think we sign Lazard and Cobb at WR. Corey Davis either gets cut or is included in the trade. I also think Berrios gets cut. We will still be able to free up enough space to sign a couple pieces along the defensive line and bring back some key pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morny Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: ... who represents himself and wants 50 million a year guaranteed and who has missed an awful lot of games recently. Yeah, but it is odd that *so* many teams, who are desperate for QBs, have come out immediately to say they aren't interested. No talking with him, checking in with him, seeing what he wants, negationting etc .... Everyone just immediately went "nope". Strange.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, morny said: Yeah, but it is odd that *so* many teams, who are desperate for QBs, have come out immediately to say they aren't interested. No talking with him, checking in with him, seeing what he wants, negationting etc .... Everyone just immediately went "nope". Strange.... Or it could be speaking volumes as to what his perception is around the league as far as leadership, good teammate etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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