It would be a mistake to play AVT anywhere but LG

[Maxman]

[Hal N of Provo]

It would be a mistake not to move him around as needed.  The guy is talented.  He can take it. 

[Maxman]

1 minute ago, Hal N of Provo said:

It would be a mistake not to move him around as needed.  The guy is talented.  He can take it. 

Moving him around last year didn't end well.

Put him back and LG and let him go to the Pro Bowl.

[Beerfish]

That would be my preference but our tackles are made of tissue paper.

[Sperm Edwards]

Is the team better off with him at RG and leave Tomlinson at LG?

AVT is surely the more versatile, and it’s not likely close. To the best of my knowledge Tomlinson has played just LG his entire career.

The greater good is probably served with AVT at RG for one more year.

[Bleedin Green]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Is the team better off with him at RG and leave Tomlinson at LG?

AVT is surely the more versatile, and it’s not likely close. To the best of my knowledge Tomlinson has played just LG his entire career.

The greater good is probably served with AVT at RG for one more year.

Yeah, Tomlinson isn't going anywhere and was the reason for AVT's initial move to RG, so no real point in swapping them this year.  Granted it would be ideal to just replace Tomlinson all together, but they've got enough issues at center and tackle that guard really isn't something they have the luxury of messing with this year.

[Sammybighead]

I see and appreciate your opening argument 

Please expand

Thank you

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

I see and appreciate your opening argument 

Please expand

Thank you

[hawk]

How much of Tomlinsons decline was based on left tackle play?  He had a pretty good one in SF.  Not so much last year.

Fix left tackle, and may fix tomlinson.

[WhartonJet]

37 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Agreed.  Laken Tomlinson did nothing to earn himself the right to displace AVT

[OMA]

Becton coming back is such a big factor in how the o line is set up.  If he does I think they keep AVT inside. 

[Joe W. Namath]

100% agreed.  He only moved last yesr due to energency.  Hes going right back to LG.

[OMA]

Joe W hitting the sauce on a Friday night and slurring his posts… this Rodgers drama wearing on the best of us..

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Is the team better off with him at RG and leave Tomlinson at LG?

AVT is surely the more versatile, and it’s not likely close. To the best of my knowledge Tomlinson has played just LG his entire career.

The greater good is probably served with AVT at RG for one more year.

My statement above assumes that Tomlinson is getting cut.

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, hawk said:

How much of Tomlinsons decline was based on left tackle play?  He had a pretty good one in SF.  Not so much last year.

Fix left tackle, and may fix tomlinson.

I am a HUGE fan of that mentality. We saw it at Center once they removed the turnstile that was at guard.

I don't think Tomlinson is coming back unless he takes less $.

[varjet]

Tomlinson costs too much of a cap hit to be cut, and he was too good prior to 2022 to give up on.  
 

he will be cut in 2024 and AVT will move back to LG.  We need a new RG in the draft, hopefully rd 4 or below 

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, Maxman said:

My statement above assumes that Tomlinson is getting cut.

Think $10MM of his $13MM salary is already guaranteed (the balance guaranteeing later this month).

[Sperm Edwards]

7 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, Tomlinson isn't going anywhere and was the reason for AVT's initial move to RG, so no real point in swapping them this year.  Granted it would be ideal to just replace Tomlinson all together, but they've got enough issues at center and tackle that guard really isn't something they have the luxury of messing with this year.

They'd need a trade partner to take on his $13MM is what they'd need to replace Tomlinson.

Either that or make him the highest-paid backup guard in history.

Since neither of those things is happening, he's the starting LG this year. Just hope he bounces back to prior form.

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

They'd need a trade partner to take on his $13MM is what they'd need to replace Tomlinson.

Either that or make him the highest-paid backup guard in history.

Since neither of those things is happening, he's the starting LG this year. Just hope he bounces back to prior form.

I’m not saying I think this, but I’d like to think with a better QB who gets rid of the ball quicker and steps up in the pocket more consistently he should play better. Plus, if we aren’t down 4-7 lineman by mid season the cohesiveness of the line playing together could help. 

[rangerous]

8 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Is the team better off with him at RG and leave Tomlinson at LG?

AVT is surely the more versatile, and it’s not likely close. To the best of my knowledge Tomlinson has played just LG his entire career.

The greater good is probably served with AVT at RG for one more year.

That assumes Tomlinson does a much better job at left guard than he showed last season. I agree they moved avt to right to accommodate Tomlinson but, in hindsight, maybe they should’ve told him to put on his big boy pants and move to right. It seems to me the left tackle plays ( see fant) better next to avt.

[jtomm]

7 hours ago, Maxman said:

My statement above assumes that Tomlinson is getting cut.

Once he is cut - put AVT at LG and leave him there till he retires. 

[chirorob]

It'd help to keep him at guard. 

It would also help to not lose 4 O Tackles to injuries so there is literally no one else to play there.

[hawk]

7 hours ago, Maxman said:

I am a HUGE fan of that mentality. We saw it at Center once they removed the turnstile that was at guard.

I don't think Tomlinson is coming back unless he takes less $.

In that case AVT should be a 10 year Fixture at LG.  Find another roamer.

[chirorob]

7 hours ago, Maxman said:

My statement above assumes that Tomlinson is getting cut.

Tomlinson just got restructured.

He is going no where for at least 1-2 years now.

[Tranquilo]

9 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

It would be a mistake not to move him around as needed.  The guy is talented.  He can take it. 

[FidelioJet]

No problem which G he plays (R or L) but he should not be playing Tackle.  And should stay where he starts.

 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, chirorob said:

Tomlinson just got restructured.

He is going no where for at least 1-2 years now.

Can the mods lock this thread now? Oh wait...

[LAD_Brooklyn]

You don't pay a guy who was as terrible as Tomlinson $13M just because there's no cap saving when released. Take the cap penalty and better utilize our spending budget on a longer term solution at another position. 

He was terrible at every statistical metric one can find. Seems his only two good seasons came playing next to all-world Trent Williams. We're paying him good money for that same good play so the least we can expect is average play, however we're not even getting that. Plus he has no position flexibility. One positive is that he's available every Sunday (but to suck). 

Put AVT back at LG and slide him to LT if needed. Use Tomlinson money to re-sign McGovern who can always play RG if we were to draft a C or he can stay there (at C)  if we weren't to. 

[slats]

11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Is the team better off with him at RG and leave Tomlinson at LG?

AVT is surely the more versatile, and it’s not likely close. To the best of my knowledge Tomlinson has played just LG his entire career.

The greater good is probably served with AVT at RG for one more year.

 

11 hours ago, hawk said:

How much of Tomlinsons decline was based on left tackle play?  He had a pretty good one in SF.  Not so much last year.

Fix left tackle, and may fix tomlinson.

Only thing I’d add is that I think they really like the idea of AVT next to Becton. That has the potential to be a beast of a rushing OL. 

[freestater]

If he ends up having to play any other position, the mistake will have been made by Joe Douglas during this offseason. 

[Integrity28]

11 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

100% agreed.  He only moved last yesr due to energency.  Hes going right back to LG.

Not true. They moved him due to Tomlinson signing.

 

[ScarletKnight89]

I think ideally he's starting the year at RG but he can kick out to tackle if there is an injury. It's much easier to find a quality backup interior lineman than it is to find a tackle. Having someone like AVT who has the ability to move out there and play well is a great asset to have. Most teams don't have good tackles sitting on their bench. 

So much needs to be figured out still for the Jets at the tackle spot. Becton is a wild card. I'm guessing Duane Brown isn't retiring at this point. Will the Jets draft a tackle at 13 if one is there that they like? Who knows? But having AVT on the roster is a great insurance policy for the Jets. 

[Maxman]

46 minutes ago, slats said:

 

Only thing I’d add is that I think they really like the idea of AVT next to Becton. That has the potential to be a beast of a rushing OL. 

Tomlinson restructured so my mind has been changed. AVT at RG, Becton at RT.

[Flashlite80]

12 hours ago, Maxman said:

AVT is best at LG.  He is proficient at several spots.  The line was pretty good when he played LT and RT.  Ideally, you find solid tackles and let AVT play All-pro LG.  Unfortunately, Tomlinson will play LG.

The Jets have a problem at LT.  Fant was not good and Becton always struggled against speed rushers.  If they fail to find a good option at either tackle, AVT could do very well there.

I think AVT could dominate at any position but center.  They should not move him around.  I would identify a position for him and leave him there to dominate for the next 10 years.

[Sperm Edwards]

17 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, Tomlinson isn't going anywhere and was the reason for AVT's initial move to RG, so no real point in swapping them this year.  Granted it would be ideal to just replace Tomlinson all together, but they've got enough issues at center and tackle that guard really isn't something they have the luxury of messing with this year.

It's a good time to create a pipeline, though, rather than repeat the scenario they've now got at center, which is that they have nothing & now can't really afford to rely upon the draft for a lateral or upgraded move without paying through the nose.

It's a popular plan among fans, but a GM can't gamble his season on "just draft a center" and presume it instantly generates an amply performing day-one starter. It's a great plan ONLY IF it pans out, and pans out right away at that. As likely as not - especially if you don't use a top-35 pick on the position - you end up with Luke Fortner, Mason Cole, Drew Dalman, etc. And sometimes even when you do commit a 1st rounder to filling the center position you get Bradbury, Ruiz, or Price.

There have been some good performers and good prospects at the position: Humphrey, Jergens, Linderbaum. There have been others who've panned out but it took them 2-3 years to become reliable -- Connor Williams, Hainsey. Also consider Josh Myers was drafted ahead of Humphrey; that's been a huge mistake and even if he does ultimately pan out he certainly didn't as a rookie.

Taking this back to guard, yeah they should draft the next one now, because plan that - as likely as not - this year's pipeline prospect will suck & they'll need a second swing at it.