Grade how well the Jets have improved their weaknesses?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

It’s early so view this as a current snapshot or progress report vs. the 2022 Jets.
 

1. Starting QB:  Let’s assume we get Rodgers for a 2023 2nd rounder + 2024 conditional (3rd if he doesn’t retire before the 2024 draft up to a first for Super Bowl Bowl appearance)

My grade is an A

2. Offensive Coordinator:  Rodgers won 2 MVPs and made the NFC Championship game twice in the 3 years Hackett was the OC of GB

My grade is an A if this needed to happen to lure Rodgers

3. Red Zone:  Signed the 6’5 Lazard.  Said goodbye to the overly used Berrios

Grade A- given what was available

4. Gadget/Return:  Replaced Berrios (2 TDs) w/ 4.33 Hardman who was on pace for 12 TDs halfway thru last year before getting injured (4 receiving + 2 rushing)

B (was there a better option on the market?)

5. Short Yardage:  Zeke?  Promote Ruckert into the blocking specialist (man he looked good against the Dolphins).  Welcome back AVT & Becton.

Incomplete.  More needs to be done on the OLine

6. OLine:  Looking like OT in round 1 and Center in round 2.

Incomplete.  Some improvement in depth, some guys returning from injuries + the Draft

7. Safety:  Jets seem to believe Whitehead/Clark/Adams > Whitehead/Joyner

I don’t necessarily disagree but how much of an upgrade?  I give this plan a C on paper.  Grade becomes much better if Adams takes a big step forward

8. Covering Tight Ends:  Chuck Clark has been a man on man STUD here.  Hoping Sherwood replaces Mosley on 3rd down

B

9. Deep Zone:  Depends on Whitehead + Adams.  This is Clark’s big weakness 

C because they are relying heavily on a second year player who wasn’t drafted and is light in experience.  They better be right

10. Punter:  Hello again Morehead.  Top 10 in several categories

A- (should have never let him go in the first place)

11. Back-up QB:

We are ****ED if it’s really Zach

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[dbatesman]

[TommyT]

This thread is going to 500.

[slimjasi]

Incomplete - It's March 24th. 

This thread works better in early August. For instance, last year, the Jets signed Duane Brown on August 11 and Kwon Alexander on July 29. 

[GreenFish]

Too many hypotheticals. Good idea for a thread but seems too early.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

8 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Incomplete - It's March 24th. 

This thread works better in early August. For instance, last year, the Jets signed Duane Brown on August 11 and Kwon Alexander on July 29. 

It’s just where we are now.  We can table most discussions until then.

There’s a lot to like so far and yes, still more work to be done.

But we are through a core part of free agency with most of the big names off the board.  So JD’s plan is kind of coming into focus ..

[Bronx]

So far, favorites to win back-to-back offseason  ? 

[Warfish]

So far? F.

We’re worse today than the day the season ended.

Basically the entire off-season hinges on AR or it’s a total bust.

[slimjasi]

48 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

It’s just where we are now.  We can table most discussions until then.

There’s a lot to like so far and yes, still more work to be done.

But we are through a core part of free agency with most of the big names off the board.  So JD’s plan is kind of coming into focus ..

I hear ya.

 

too much left to be seen for me to properly weigh in - heck, I’m hesitant to even discuss the potential upgrade at QB until the deal is actually done 

[BurntDice]

17 minutes ago, Warfish said:

So far? F.

We’re worse today than the day the season ended.

Basically the entire off-season hinges on AR or it’s a total bust.

How is the team worse? A healthy AVT, Breece, Becton alone is instantly a massive upgrade 

[Warfish]

26 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

How is the team worse? A healthy AVT, Breece, Becton alone is instantly a massive upgrade 

They’re not healthy yet, nor any guarantees they’ll be healthy on opening day. 

We’re worse at QB (no backup), overall Oline depth, Wr (IMO), Dline (lost two starters) and more.

As said, the entire off-season now relies on AR as savior or bust. 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

So far? F.

We’re worse today than the day the season ended.

Basically the entire off-season hinges on AR or it’s a total bust.

So dramatic 

[BurntDice]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

They’re not healthy yet, nor any guarantees they’ll be healthy on opening day. 

We’re worse at QB (no backup), overall Oline depth, Wr (IMO), Dline (lost two starters) and more.

As said, the entire off-season now relies on AR as savior or bust. 

So Lazard and hardman combined + year 2 of GW are worse than Moore?  Got it 

[JETS SB]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

They’re not healthy yet, nor any guarantees they’ll be healthy on opening day. 

We’re worse at QB (no backup), overall Oline depth, Wr (IMO), Dline (lost two starters) and more.

As said, the entire off-season now relies on AR as savior or bust. 

So wait…. “In your opinion” Elijah Moore and Braxton Berrios are better than Allen Lazard and Mecole Hardman ? 

[Warfish]

6 hours ago, BurntDice said:

So Lazard and hardman combined + year 2 of GW are worse than Moore?  Got it 

Lazard and Moore are a wash, Lazard is the better blocker, Moore the better WR with much higher potential imo.  Hardman and Berrios is a wash. And we’re still dumping Davis at some point…

[Dunnie]

QB, WR are the only quantifiable improvements so far.

OC ... Unknown
QB ... One year improvement

OL ... Unknown
LB ... Disaster still

.. am I wrong ?

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[Jets723]

13 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

1. Starting QB:  Let’s assume we get Rodgers for a 2023 2nd rounder + 2024 conditional (3rd if he doesn’t retire before the 2024 draft up to a first for Super Bowl Bowl appearance)

My grade is an A

2. Offensive Coordinator:  Rodgers won 2 MVPs and made the NFC Championship game twice in the 3 years Hackett was the OC of GB

My grade is an A if this needed to happen to lure Rodgers

3. Red Zone:  Signed the 6’5 Lazard.  Said goodbye to the overly used Berrios

Grade A- given what was available

4. Gadget/Return:  Replaced Berrios (2 TDs) w/ 4.33 Hardman who was on pace for 12 TDs halfway thru last year before getting injured (4 receiving + 2 rushing)

B (was there a better option on the market?)

5. Short Yardage:  Zeke?  Promote Ruckert into the blocking specialist (man he looked good against the Dolphins).  Welcome back AVT & Becton.

Incomplete.  More needs to be done on the OLine

6. OLine:  Looking like OT in round 1 and Center in round 2.

Incomplete.  Some improvement in depth, some guys returning from injuries + the Draft

7. Safety:  Jets seem to believe Whitehead/Clark/Adams > Whitehead/Joyner

I don’t necessarily disagree but how much of an upgrade?  I give this plan a C on paper.  Grade becomes much better if Adams takes a big step forward

8. Covering Tight Ends:  Chuck Clark has been a man on man STUD here.  Hoping Sherwood replaces Mosley on 3rd down

B

9. Deep Zone:  Depends on Whitehead + Adams.  This is Clark’s big weakness 

C because they are relying heavily on a second year player who wasn’t drafted and is light in experience.  They better be right

10. Punter:  Hello again Morehead.  Top 10 in several categories

A- (should have never let him go in the first place)

11. Back-up QB:

We are ****ED if it’s really Zach

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Way too early for a grade with the draft still coming and still time got FA and/or trades 

[rangerous]

Okay. Not to rain on the parade but they have yet to play a game this season. Even though the defense looked pretty good last season doesn’t mean they will as good this season. They should since an improved offense will help the defense.  But I think the biggest gain for the offense is launching milfy. Good riddance to that guy.

[Dunnie]

13 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Okay. Not to rain on the parade but they have yet to play a game this season. Even though the defense looked pretty good last season doesn’t mean they will as good this season. They should since an improved offense will help the defense.  But I think the biggest gain for the offense is launching milfy. Good riddance to that guy.

possibly ... but Hackett was so bad in Denver the question is still open. I'm hoping for the best.

The roster has not improved greatly .. and as of yet might even be worse.  Kwon, Herbig, Rankins, Shepherd, Berrios ... these guys were players.

Lots of work to do still. And its not in the receiver room.

[Flashlite80]

Agree with most of your points, except the safety and deep coverage points.

Clark is a serious upgrade over Whitehead as a strong safety.  He does an excellent job covering the TE or in short coverage.  He is a strong run stopper with a solid missed tackle rate.  Whitehead has one of the worst missed tackle rates and is not good in coverage - should be cut.

Both Clark and Whitehead stink in deep coverage and it is a gamble to go with Adams as the starter.

Of course you didn't discuss the other gaping holes.  We do not have a starting DT next to Quinen and the Kwon Alexander linebacker spot is vacant.

I do not see a route to filling all the holes left in this roster with the available cap flexibility left and the draft.

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, Warfish said:

Lazard and Moore are a wash, Lazard is the better blocker, Moore the better WR with much higher potential imo.  Hardman and Berrios is a wash. And we’re still dumping Davis at some point…

So if they wash each other out how are we worse off?  
How is whoever we run out there as backup QB a drop off from MFW and his 2-5 record?  
How much depth have we lost to the OL?

[Long Island Leprechaun]

4 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said:

Agree with most of your points, except the safety and deep coverage points.

Clark is a serious upgrade over Whitehead as a strong safety.  He does an excellent job covering the TE or in short coverage.  He is a strong run stopper with a solid missed tackle rate.  Whitehead has one of the worst missed tackle rates and is not good in coverage - should be cut.

Both Clark and Whitehead stink in deep coverage and it is a gamble to go with Adams as the starter.

Of course you didn't discuss the other gaping holes.  We do not have a starting DT next to Quinen and the Kwon Alexander linebacker spot is vacant.

I do not see a route to filling all the holes left in this roster with the available cap flexibility left and the draft.

I don't think Kwon Alexander has signed with anyone yet.

[Dunnie]

10 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

I don't think Kwon Alexander has signed with anyone yet.

really hoping he is back.  that guy was fun to watch.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 hour ago, Flashlite80 said:

Agree with most of your points, except the safety and deep coverage points.

Clark is a serious upgrade over Whitehead as a strong safety.  He does an excellent job covering the TE or in short coverage.  He is a strong run stopper with a solid missed tackle rate.  Whitehead has one of the worst missed tackle rates and is not good in coverage - should be cut.

Both Clark and Whitehead stink in deep coverage and it is a gamble to go with Adams as the starter.

Of course you didn't discuss the other gaping holes.  We do not have a starting DT next to Quinen and the Kwon Alexander linebacker spot is vacant.

I do not see a route to filling all the holes left in this roster with the available cap flexibility left and the draft.

That’s why I gave a C to the safety plan because I agree it’s a gamble to rely on Adams in the deep zone.  Whitehead has historically been ok in zone, he struggles in man.

DT was not a weakness last year so I didn’t bring it up but it is a newly created weakness that hopefully gets filled by Campbell.

Jets can free you up cap space to address current needs but who is still available at Safety or OLine to make a big difference?

Jets might feel differently about Kwon than the fans, instead planning on giving Sherwood a shot.  Or a fourth rounder since this is a sub package role.

It would be a self inflicted wound if the Jets miss out on Calais Campbell and their FA DT plan becomes a draft plan since OLine is such a priority at the top of the draft.

[Hex]

I'm giving the Jets an A++++ for all of the future stuff JD does as well, just for the fun of it

[Bobby816]

I never judge an off-season until it’s Week 1. Too many things can change. And you have to let things play out before judging.

 

Example being I loved Sauce the player… just didn’t think CB was a 4th pick in the draft need. I thought we needed WR and DE WAY more. So when we drafted Sauce. I wasn’t happy immediately. But then the way the draft played out with us going WR and DE still Round 1. It made the draft epic. So you have to let things play out.

 

As of now Id say we’re still weak at QB, OT, C and DT. But we aren’t done in FA, trading and still have the draft.

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

really hoping he is back.  that guy was fun to watch.

He was on a pretty cheap salary -- around 1.2 million. Would seem a no brainer to re-sign him.

[freestater]

If they land Rodgers then it'll be an A.

If they dont, I'd prefer they just tank the season and give the next FO & CS a high 1st round pick. 

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

possibly ... but Hackett was so bad in Denver the question is still open. I'm hoping for the best.

The roster has not improved greatly .. and as of yet might even be worse.  Kwon, Herbig, Rankins, Shepherd, Berrios ... these guys were players.

Lots of work to do still. And its not in the receiver room.

I’m not so worried about Hackett. Many assistants fail at being head coaches. Wade Philips comes to mind. Little joshy isn’t doing so well with the raiders. Mangini had his ups and downs. Even the bellichicken failed as a head coach his first time out and parcells needed a couple of seasons to show he was a great hc.

milfy might turn it around in la la land since McVay is the guy who will call the offensive shots. Could be like the situation in Kansas City with Reid and bienemy.

[Barry McCockinner]

The Easter bunny hasn't even come down the chimney yet.

[jtomm]

Incomplete. It all comes down to the QB. 

[BurntDice]

9 hours ago, Warfish said:

Lazard and Moore are a wash, Lazard is the better blocker, Moore the better WR with much higher potential imo.  Hardman and Berrios is a wash. And we’re still dumping Davis at some point…

You must be really high on berrios to think him and hardman are the same. Hardman was on pace for 16 touchdowns last year and usually gets around 600 yards receiving a season. Berrios has never been above 4 total tds and 450 yards receiving. 
 

If you want to try and look into the future with Davis then we can also say that OBJ will be on the team.