Lamar Jackson Requests Trade

[KRL]

3 minutes ago, slats said:

I feel like Jackson is coming off as both entitled and ungrateful. Baltimore drafted him when he was about to drop out of the first first round, and specifically designed an offense tailored to his strengths and concealing his weaknesses. His entire beef appears to be his hard line for a contract, to the point that he wants out now? I’d advise him to be careful about what he wants. I don’t think there are too many coaches/organizations who are as capable of putting him in such a position to succeed. 
 
As for the Jets, they can’t develop a traditional QB. Jackson would be a nightmare of Russell Wilson proportions here, and maybe worse. 

This!!!  The older Jackson gets the more games he will miss and the slower he will get.  The novelty of him will

wear off because he's never improved from the pocket.  That's why Rodgers, Brady & Manning can play into their

40's, "pocket mastery"

[C Mart]

Spotrac @spotrac

Just a reminder that Lamar Jackson is not currently under contract. His $32.4M franchise tag must be signed in order for him to be traded, and there are no ramifications for him not signing that tag - other than the $1.8M per league week missed lost.

[Green Ghost]

1 minute ago, batman10023 said:

 

You don’t see the sarcasm?

[RutgersJetFan]

6 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

not really sure why the NFLPA is so focused on looking out for the top 1% of players with the guarantee contract.  

 

Ownership colluding to keep the price of labor down is quite literally why unions exist.

[batman10023]

2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Raise the bar.
Same reason the MLBPA didn’t want ARod to sign his deal with the Red Sox years ago.

what bar are you talking about???

the players get a set percentage of the revenues via a salary cap.  

how does giving Lamar a huge fully guaranteed contract change the amount the players are going to get?

[batman10023]

Just now, RutgersJetFan said:

Ownership colluding to keep the price of labor down is quite literally why unions exist.

the union should push for a larger percentage of the pot.  no disagreements there.  

but that's not what they are pushing for.  

[RutgersJetFan]

9 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

 

certainly a group of rich assholes would never do something illegal and unethical

I'm not sure where this sense of entitlement came from to...(checks notes)...get paid what the other guy got.

[Biggs]

13 minutes ago, nycdan said:

This is the crux of Lamar's problem.  If he were open to taking a Josh Allen contract, I think there would be interest.  

The most compelling thing to me is what's up with Burrow?  Are he and CIN stuck on the same issue?  If they agree on a deal that doesn't have Watson terms, it would severely undermine Lamar's position.  Would he come down to earth at that point?  Because nobody in their right mind would say Lamar is worth more than Burrow.  Herbert is another 4th year guy who is probably a better comp.  Not sure if those deals are waiting to see how Lamar nets out but it'll be compelling to see who blinks first and what happens from there.

Since all we know is what he has asked for and the low ball offer Baltimore admitted giving him who knows?

Since when does what someone asks for become the basis of a formal deal?   

[Jetsfan80]

11 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

certainly a group of rich assholes would never do something illegal and unethical

Of course Bruce Way.....errr Batman....would downvote this post.

 

 

 

@batman10023 @batmans a scientist @JiF

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, Green Ghost said:

You don’t see the sarcasm?

multiple reports said he got 3 years 133 guaranteed.

he never refuted that point.

his business advisors have given him terrible advice in my opinion.

[jeremy2020]

22 minutes ago, bitonti said:

There are reports of owner level collusion against Lamar 

That seems like exactly the type of thing woody would be in favor of 

I don't think 32 or so individuals "Not being stupid" counts as collusion...

..then again, as a frequenter of this forum.. 32 people not being stupid does seem impossible. 

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, heymangold said:

no owner wants to pay guaranteed contracts.  especially HUGE numbers like Watson got.

That's not collusion.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

23 minutes ago, bitonti said:

There are reports of owner level collusion against Lamar 

That seems like exactly the type of thing woody would be in favor of 

So now we are blaming Woody for the Jackson saga?

What other things can we blame Woody for?

[nycdan]

There's another issue with the no-agent thing that could be putting teams off.  What happens in two years when QB deals are cracking the $60M line and Lamar is still sitting at his paltry $48M number in year 3 of a 5-year deal?  He decides he's underpaid and starts making trouble.  No agent to help navigate the situation.  Now you have a brutal cap situation that's fully guaranteed and a disgruntled QB who wants a raise.  Honestly, if I were a GM planning to be around for 5 more years, I see reasons to shy away from that situation.  LJ is trying to eat both ends of the cake.  You want to save 2-3% on an agent and you want to play hardball for every dollar?  That could be a recipe that some, if not most GMs legitimately want no part of.

[Warfish]

18 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

NFLPA and Smith himself have said it too.

Of course they have.  They're not a neutral party.

18 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Ol' boys club have been sued for it a few times over the years, it's really not that outlandish.

Guess we'll see once Jackson sues.

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm not sure where this sense of entitlement came from to...(checks notes)...get paid what the other guy got.

wasn't he offered as much as wilson in % guaranteed?

going to be interesting to see what he gets in his contract.

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

So now we are blaming Woody for the Jackson saga?

What other things can we blame Woody for?

I don't know but clearly we should fire Douglas and Saleh over the Lamar Jackson thing.

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Obviously, but that’s not what I asked you. Can’t the Ravens agree to a trade for less than two #1 picks if they want?

It would be better than having him sit out a season and they get nothing.

Not sure. I’d assume if all parties agreed they could

[Biggs]

2 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

multiple reports said he got 3 years 133 guaranteed.

he never refuted that point.

his business advisors have given him terrible advice in my opinion.

It's a lowball offer having nothing to do with Watson money.  

[drsamuel84]

They probably wouldn't trade him to the AFC but it could at least give us some dare I say......LEVERAGE! with trying to get this trade done with the Packers if the threat of a Lamar Jackson pivot exists.

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

So now we are blaming Woody for the Jackson saga?

What other things can we blame Woody for?

the poster finds Woody the issue for everything.  the post is on brand.

 

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Not sure. I’d assume if all parties agreed they could

yes, they can agree to a lower amount.  not sure why they would however.

[Green Ghost]

2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

There's another issue with the no-agent thing that could be putting teams off.  What happens in two years when QB deals are cracking the $60M line and Lamar is still sitting at his paltry $48M number in year 3 of a 5-year deal?  He decides he's underpaid and starts making trouble.  No agent to help navigate the situation.  Now you have a brutal cap situation that's fully guaranteed and a disgruntled QB who wants a raise.  Honestly, if I were a GM planning to be around for 5 more years, I see reasons to shy away from that situation.  LJ is trying to eat both ends of the cake.  You want to save 2-3% on an agent and you want to play hardball for every dollar?  That could be a recipe that some, if not most GMs legitimately want no part of.

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

It's a lowball offer having nothing to do with Watson money.  

explain the lowball offer.  3/133 seems very much in line.  what was more appropriate?

what did Allen get?  should LJ get the same/better/worse?

[Jets Things]

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times (check my post history), Lamar is a slightly more talented and slightly less injured RGIII. Hard pass. 

[Maxman]

15 minutes ago, NYJCAP2 said:

Semantics much?

 He’s free to negotiate with any team currently.

 He needs an agent.

I think the difference is with him requesting a trade:

1. If you agree to a deal with Lamar you know you got him because you already agreed with the Ravens

2. The compensation could be less than signing him as a franchise player

He is forcing the Ravens hand, especially if he tells them he isn't playing for them again.

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Jets Things said:

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times (check my post history), Lamar is a slightly more talented and slightly less injured RGIII. Hard pass. 

Gotcha. Let’s wrap up the thread boys, It’s a hard pass from @Jets Things

[frankiepapa]

explain the lowball offer.  3/133 seems very much in line.  what was more appropriate?
what did Allen get?  should LJ get the same/better/worse?

Would imagine 4 yr 200 mill for LJ? 150 guaranteed?

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[Biggs]

1 minute ago, batman10023 said:

explain the lowball offer.  3/133 seems very much in line.  what was more appropriate?

what did Allen get?  should LJ get the same/better/worse?

Allen 150 million guarateed.  Kyler Murray got 160 guaranteed.  Wilson 161 fully guaranteed.  Seems like 133 is a lowball offer even if you throw out Watson's deal.  

[Sarge4Tide]

Actual live video of Lamar's team entertaining trade talks with other teams....

 

 

[bicketybam]

I wonder what the Ravens would be looking for in a trade? I'm guessing it starts with the word "Two" and ends with "number ones."

[BigRy56]

This is a tough one. In the right now, Rodgers is the better QB. But obviously Lamar has longer term appeal if he can stay healthy. I’m good with either one - both are colossal upgrades over Zach

[Jets Things]

Just now, bicketybam said:

I wonder what the Ravens would be looking for in a trade? I'm guessing it starts with the word "Two" and and ends with "number ones."

At a minimum. Again, HARD PASS.

[Larz]

See if he had an agent he would have done this a month ago when teams were looking for a QB. 
 

The jets are all in on rodgers and 100.00 % will not contact lamar under any circumstances and risk Rodgers getting pissed. Don’t even discuss it. 
 

if he isn’t worth the contract he isn’t worth the contract plus picks. 
 

this is why you pay the agent the 4% or whatever it is 

[Jets Things]

Just now, Green Ghost said:

I’ll ask your mom.

I hope you have a medium because she's dead, but keep it classy, ass-face.