Lamar Jackson Requests Trade

[Jet2020]

Lamar over 40 year old Aaron any day, all day. 

[hawk]

For no other reason,  hire an agent for use of the English language.

[JustInFudge]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

That’s on you then. But spotrac dot com lists out all of the guarantees a player receives when they sign their deal with the team. For example, if Lamar plays this year on the tag he’s due 32 million dollars guaranteed.

lol, I'm not getting into a semantic argument/discussion whatever, this is silly

[bitonti]

13 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

Off the top of my head, maybe the Patriots. 

I'm super scared of a scenario where the Pats get Lamar, the Jets may or may not get Arod, and we're still in last place 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, Biggs said:

Allen 150 million guarateed.  Kyler Murray got 160 guaranteed.  Wilson 161 fully guaranteed.  Seems like 133 is a lowball offer even if you throw out Watson's deal.  

Ok. I keep hearing that Jackson wants what Watson or Murray or Wilson or Allen got.  Of those four contracts, how many would the teams take back in a heartbeat?  Three clearly.  Cleveland, Denver and Arizona would take mulligans in a millisecond. So other NFL teams not wanting to make the same mistake (and these are big mistakes) is collusion or wrong?  The other owners are learning from these mistakes. In fact here are the highest paid NFL QBs

1. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $50.3 million (3-year, $150.8 million contract)
2. Russell Wilson (Broncos): $49 million (5-year, $245 million contract)
3. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $46.1 million (5-year, $230.5 million contract)
4. Deshaun Watson (Browns): $46 million (5-year $230 million contract)
5. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $45 million (10-year $450 million contract)
6. Josh Allen (Bills): $43 million (6-year $258 million contract)
T-7. Matthew Stafford (Rams) $40 million (4-year $160 million contract)
T-7. Dak Prescott (Cowboys): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
T-7. Daniel Jones (Giants): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
10. Derek Carr (Saints): $37.5 million (4-year, $150 million contract)

Of those 10, which teams are happy?  The Chiefs,  Bills, Giants and Saints?  There is no way in the world an NFL team should give Jackson any more than a 4-5 year deal with $150 guaranteed.  It seems that the Ravens are in that ballpark already, but Jackson, who has shown that he is injury prone, wants Watson money.  The Ravens and any other NFL team would be fools to do that.  GB wants to unload Rodgers. Wilson's contract may be the worst in the NFL.  Murray's contract is close behind and with the ACL injury, that contract is looking more and more like a Wilson-type albatross.  Watson's contract is an outlier and a joke.  

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

LOL sounds like Payton is already ready to move on from Russ...

Broncos HC Sean Payton said Jarrett Stidham was an "important signing" for the team this offseason.

The Broncos signed Stidham to a two-year, $10 million deal this offseason to become Russell Wilson's handsomely paid backup. Payton added at the owners meeting that the team feels like Stidham "can become an NFL starter." This doesn't necessarily mean Wilson will be on a short leash in 2023 -- which would work against the Broncos' best interest after Wilson signed a five-year, $242 million contract last offseason. Stidham threw for 656-4-3 in his lone season with the Raiders. The former fourth-round pick has made just two career starts but appears to already have the admiration of his new coach.

[slats]

20 minutes ago, JiF said:

Right.  It's the market.  lol Good chat.

What teams should be making him an offer, JiF? Who’s actually doing this colluding? 

[bitonti]

11 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Ok. I keep hearing that Jackson wants what Watson or Murray or Wilson or Allen got.  Of those four contracts, how many would the teams take back in a heartbeat?  Three clearly.  Cleveland, Denver and Arizona would take mulligans in a millisecond. So other NFL teams not wanting to make the same mistake (and these are big mistakes) is collusion or wrong?  The other owners are learning from these mistakes. In fact here are the highest paid NFL QBs

1. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $50.3 million (3-year, $150.8 million contract)
2. Russell Wilson (Broncos): $49 million (5-year, $245 million contract)
3. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $46.1 million (5-year, $230.5 million contract)
4. Deshaun Watson (Browns): $46 million (5-year $230 million contract)
5. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $45 million (10-year $450 million contract)
6. Josh Allen (Bills): $43 million (6-year $258 million contract)
T-7. Matthew Stafford (Rams) $40 million (4-year $160 million contract)
T-7. Dak Prescott (Cowboys): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
T-7. Daniel Jones (Giants): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
10. Derek Carr (Saints): $37.5 million (4-year, $150 million contract)

Of those 10, which teams are happy?  The Chiefs,  Bills, Giants and Saints?  There is no way in the world an NFL team should give Jackson any more than a 4-5 year deal with $150 guaranteed.  It seems that the Ravens are in that ballpark already, but Jackson, who has shown that he is injury prone, wants Watson money.  The Ravens and any other NFL team would be fools to do that.  GB wants to unload Rodgers. Wilson's contract may be the worst in the NFL.  Murray's contract is close behind and with the ACL injury, that contract is looking more and more like a Wilson-type albatross.  Watson's contract is an outlier and a joke.  

side note Aaron Rodgers might have the worst contract on the list

in terms of age, price, production etc.  

and we're all in line to bring him in 

[jetblue95]

41 minutes ago, JiF said:

Rich, white men who own Football teams colluding to not give out guarantee contracts but close. 

 

how about smart business people who don't want to sink vast amounts of financial and draft capital into declining performance and availability?

[bicketybam]

omfg....could you imagine what Smash would say if Lamar was like, "yo dawg, I drink that sizzurp in the offseason to get my mind right before the season".  

It would be the most coherent sentence he's formed in ages.

[C Mart]

 

[jtomm]

56 minutes ago, JiF said:

Lamar is 26 and Rodgers is 40.  Advantage, Lamar.

True. 

[nycdan]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

side note Aaron Rodgers might have the worst contract on the list

in terms of age, price, production etc.  

and we're all in line to bring him in 

I believe he has confirmed he would rework the deal.  The salary cap hits under the current deal are actually very reasonable.  I think it's $30M in 2023 and $40M in 2024.  It's the dead money after 2024 that would be difficult.  I'm sure someone, somewhere has worked out the exact impact, but presumably, we could pay him a little more in the next two years and end up with a lighter dead money number after that which would bring it in line with other high-end QB deals.  

[jtomm]

3 minutes ago, C Mart said:

 

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, nycdan said:

 presumably, we could pay him a little more in the next two years and end up with a lighter dead money number after that which would bring it in line with other high-end QB deals.  

yes Aaron Rodgers would love to take more money on his already 50 mil per deal 

 

[Ron Rico]

26 minutes ago, bitonti said:

I'm super scared of a scenario where the Pats get Lamar, the Jets may or may not get Arod, and we're still in last place 

I can't see Belly doing it, though. 

[Dunnie]

Garrett Wilson Cant Wait  !

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Dunnie

[jetblue95]

40 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

https://deadspin.com/lamar-jackson-s-first-1000-passes-mark-nfl-s-greatest-q-1847771814

1. Lamar’s Passing Production: It’s historic just by itself. When compared with QB greats at FIRST 1,000 passes, Lamar is top-5 in NFL passer rating; touchdowns; and TD-to-INT ratio (3.5) which also ranks 3rd all-time after Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. 

(from the above link)

 

following that game in week 3 of 2021, for the rest of the 2021 season, jackson threw 13 TDs and 10 Ints (1.3 TD/Int) before missing 5 games with injuries.  and in 2022, he threw 17 TDs to 7 Ints (2.4 TD/Int) before missing the final 5 games (plus playoffs) with injury

[Dunnie]

2 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

1. Lamar’s Passing Production: It’s historic just by itself. When compared with QB greats at FIRST 1,000 passes, Lamar is top-5 in NFL passer rating; touchdowns; and TD-to-INT ratio (3.5) which also ranks 3rd all-time after Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. 

(from the above link)

 

following that game in week 3 of 2021, for the rest of the 2021 season, jackson threw 13 TDs and 10 Ints (1.3 TD/Int) before missing 5 games with injuries.  and in 2022, he threw 17 TDs to 7 Ints (2.4 TD/Int) before missing the final 5 games (plus playoffs) with injury

[AVM]

If Lamar played 14 games and the other games the Jets only got Pats-games production out of Zach Wilson it would still easily be the best QB stat season in Jets history. Wouldn't be all that close. Not that it matters, because it's not happening. Rodgers is going to be the Jets QB next year and he'll also probably have the best QB season in Jets history.

 

The above is just why it's hilarious any of us would be upset with either player lol

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Not sure that this news changes anything. Any team that trades or signs him will have to give up 2 1st round picks and a large contract. Doesn’t seem like anyone’s interested.

[jtomm]

1 hour ago, Pac said:

Handsome Latino men with a rapier like wit and vast football knowledge -- those guys?  

Yes I'm them. 

oh..

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

11 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Not sure that this news changes anything. Any team that trades or signs him will have to give up 2 1st round picks and a large contract. Doesn’t seem like anyone’s interested.

26-year old MVP-caliber QB publicly voices trade request.

Yet the public sentiment remains:  "Nothing to see here."

Unbelievable. 

If A-Rod had just announced his retirement a month ago, have to wonder if the Jets would still have zero apparent interest.

Haven't won a SB in 54 years.  Haven't been a to SB in 54 years.

They'd rather effectively cough up 100M for 1y of a 40-year old AR experiment than 50M per for a 26-year old MVP-caliber QB in his prime.

Or Jets would rather slum it with Bryce Petty, Hindenberg, ZW, or whatever other flotsam they pull from the next 50 NFL drafts instead.

[kmnj]

I would trade for lamar and tell the packers you snooze u lose

the entire Joe D tenure I kept hearing he is doing it the right way with the long term vision. I believe the arod move is joe just trying to save his job as another losing season and he is toast but the Arod move is not "building for the long term" that would be Lamar and the best option at this point 

[jetblue95]

6 minutes ago, AVM said:

If Lamar played 14 games and the other games the Jets only got Pats-games production out of Zach Wilson it would still easily be the best QB stat season in Jets history. Wouldn't be all that close. Not that it matters, because it's not happening. Rodgers is going to be the Jets QB next year and he'll also probably have the best QB season in Jets history.

 

The above is just why it's hilarious any of us would be upset with either player lol

 

when you say easily the best QB stat season, are you talking passing numbers?

while i recognize  the value (and the risk) his rushing brings, using his per game average over the last 3 seasons, he averages 202 yards, 1.5 TDs and .74 Ints a game, which over your above-referenced 14 game season is 2829 yards, 21 TDs and 10 Ints. 

as a point of comparison, in 13 games in 2019, sam darnold passed for 3,024 yards, 19 TDs and 13 Ints, while in 13 games in 2017, josh mccown passed for 2,926 yards, 18 Tds and 8 Ints (the passing yardage being the 21st and 22nd most by a jets QB in a season).

[Biggs]

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

Rodgers personality is developed by the Media not by Rodgers himself. He stated the truth when GB routinely let really good players walk and while very close to a SB contender signed Rodgers replacement that at the time offered the team nothing. Rodgers came out of his retreat and was told by the Packers he was no longer in their plans. If we are going to let the media dictate players personalities to the fans then sports fans are truly lost. I

Rodgers conviently ignores that when he was sitting in the green room sliding down the draft board and the Packers had Favre they took Rodgers late in the first.

The idea of getting another 10 to 15 years while developing a QB on the bench for cheap money as offering the team nothing is an incredibly short sighted position.  Love cost the Packers almost nothing.  He's a solid backup which they need anyway and if he establishes himself as the starter for the next 10 years it's an unbelivable move.  On top of it his slot was cheap and allows them to keep or get other players in FA.

For Rodgers particularly if that's his take, he's not only an idoit, he doesn't even recognize how he became a Packer to begin with.  He was crying in the Green room when they took him. 

Quote

 

Some four hours after the San Francisco 49ers took a different quarterback, Alex Smith of Utah, with the No. 1 pick -- a spot that once looked like it had Rodgers' name written all over it -- Rodgers was still there with his family, his agent and a few friends.

Around them, workers in the green room who wanted to leave for the day gave the Rodgers clan -- as one person put it -- "the stink eye" as they cleared tables and stacked chairs.

 

 

[sciond]

JD get on the damn phone....

[jetblue95]

1 minute ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

They'd rather effectively cough up 100M for 1y of a 40-year old AR than 50M per for a 26-year old MVP-caliber QB in his prime.

O

 

we are a long-way from lamar's MVP season.  in fact, since then, rodgers has won it twice...

[jbt]

22 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Garrett Wilson Cant Wait  !

 

none of those guys are GW.  he put up great numbers with trash last year,  

Look at Mark Andrews numbers, Lamar can pass

[Dunnie]

Just now, jbt said:

none of those guys are GW.  he put up great numbers with trash next year,  

Look at Mark Andrews numbers, Lamar can pass

the tight end ? right.

[Pac]

12 minutes ago, jtomm said:

oh..

We don't wear pants at our meetings. 

[oatmeal]

3 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

the tight end ? right.

[bitonti]

32 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

I can't see Belly doing it, though. 

Belly is purely motivated by breaking Don Shula's all time W record, which should take him two years max

a player like Lamar makes that happen

 

[Tranquilo]

25 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Those receivers aren't very good except for Brown, who averaged basically the same number of catches and yards per game with the Cardinals. 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

12 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

26-year old MVP-caliber QB publicly voices trade request.

Yet the public sentiment remains:  "Nothing to see here."

Unbelievable. 

If A-Rod had just announced his retirement a month ago, have to wonder if the Jets would still have zero apparent interest.

Haven't won a SB in 54 years.  Haven't been a to SB in 54 years.

They'd rather effectively cough up 100M for 1y of a 40-year old AR experiment than 50M per for a 26-year old MVP-caliber QB in his prime.

Or Jets would rather slum it with Bryce Petty, Hindenberg, ZW, or whatever other flotsam they pull from the next 50 NFL drafts instead.

All I was saying is that Lamar is already a free agent. Any team can sign him to an offer sheet. How does him demanding a trade change anything? If you sign him to a deal you’re giving up 2 firsts. If you trade for him your still giving up 2 firsts.