Key points on Rodgers that are being ignored, why did Zach fail and crazy revisionist history regarding Zach being picked second overall

[AFJF]

Even if you fast forward past what that dope Glenn Naughton has to say, check out this episode of JetNation Radio for the first 15-20 minutes to hear a few points on the Rodgers trade that are hugely important but for some reason greatly underplayed in the media.

Also some stuff about Zach's regression and revisionist history around him being drafted.
 

 

Edited March 27 by AFJF

[32EBoozer]

3 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Even if you fast forward past that dope Glenn Naughton has to say, check out this episode of JetNation Radio for the first 15-20 minutes to hear a few points on the Rodgers trade that are hugely important but for some reason greatly underplayed in the media.

Also some stuff about Zach's regression and revisionist history around him being drafted.
 

 

It’s the Jets version of Radio Free Europe!

[jetstream23]

4 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

It’s the Jets version of Radio Free Europe!

 

[Larz]

Executive bullet points please 

[Bugg]

4 minutes ago, Larz said:

Executive bullet points please 

1. Rodgers will be a Jet.

2. Drafting Zach Wilson; WE F___ED UP!

[rangerous]

Basically Wilson was the guy they wanted at two. There were other teams that wanted him and had to settle on other choices. They didn’t go into why he didn’t work out as well as planned. They did say that once they pulled him in place of mfw there was no point in going back. They didn’t mention milfy but I don’t think his role can be understated.

[joewilly12]

ZW played beat no one in college Coastal Carolina was best team he faced …

[rtnelson]

2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

ZW played beat no one in college Coastal Carolina was best team he faced …

This just straight up isn't true.  He played at BYU for more than a single covid year.

Not to mention, how good do you think BYU is?  Their recruiting rankings consistently are in the 70's nationally.

Did you actually watch the Coastal Carolina game and know the what happened surrounding that game, or are you just parroting talking points?

I'm not defending ZW here, just calling out a bad take. 

[FootballLove]

How golden would JD look right now if ZW were having these same struggles in San Fran? We still wouldn't have a QB, but we'd have a boat load of 1st round picks to cry over.

[BornJetsFan1983]

I have seen geno play good. So ZW under rogers for a year riding the pine could lead to good things, who knows ol zach might be able to salvage hsi career. Lets hope it is two years under rodger.

[joewilly12]

2 hours ago, rtnelson said:

This just straight up isn't true.  He played at BYU for more than a single covid year.

Not to mention, how good do you think BYU is?  Their recruiting rankings consistently are in the 70's nationally.

Did you actually watch the Coastal Carolina game and know the what happened surrounding that game, or are you just parroting talking points?

I'm not defending ZW here, just calling out a bad take. 

Bad take? More like doesn’t matter what he did in pop Warner high school college it’s what’s he’s doing now a lot of nothing. A #2 pick should be playing a helluva lot better than what he’s shown us nothing is positive. 

[SoFlaJets]

Southern Jet was on Jake Asman's show today and he explained why Wilson is a failed QB and that he will never be able to be taught what he lacks in being able to go through the reads. It was a great phone call

[freestater]

I think I'm most impressed that Glenn has managed to hang on to his New York accent after being in England for so long.

[Jetsplayer21]

Can’t we just trade Wilson for rodgers straight up ? ?

[Hal N of Provo]

31 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

Southern Jet was on Jake Asman's show today and he explained why Wilson is a failed QB and that he will never be able to be taught what he lacks in being able to go through the reads. It was a great phone call

Jake didn’t take Hal N of Provos call today, so he missed out on the 37 point list explaining why Zach will be a 1st ballot HoF QB.  Too bad for Jake.  It was brilliant stuff.  Illuminating.  

[Hal N of Provo]

Jordan Love isn’t good.   Flip a couple picks next year - 2nd for a 3rd - and they will probably not be many picks apart.  

[Jetsfan80]

6 hours ago, rtnelson said:

This just straight up isn't true.  He played at BYU for more than a single covid year.

Not to mention, how good do you think BYU is?  Their recruiting rankings consistently are in the 70's nationally.

Did you actually watch the Coastal Carolina game and know the what happened surrounding that game, or are you just parroting talking points?

I'm not defending ZW here, just calling out a bad take. 

1) BYU isn’t top tier but their OL usually is because their linemen tend to grown men in the 22-24 age group.  Look it up.  Their OL is almost always old due to mission work.  

That has to make a difference and partly explains why Wilson rarely saw pressure.

These were the starting OL and their ages for BYU in 2020:

* LT Brady Christensen (24)

* C James Empey (24)

* G Chandon Herring (25)

* G Tristen Hoge (23)

* RT Blake Freeland (20)

 

2) When Wilson DID see pressure, he got exposed much like he did here.  It’s just that it happened so rarely (dominant OL + soft schedule) that it either got ignored/not noticed or excused away.

[jgb]

Why he failed:

Slow football brain disease and to a (much) lesser extent bad attitude.

 

[rtnelson]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

1) BYU isn’t top tier but their OL usually is because their linemen tend to grown men in the 22-24 age group.  Look it up.  Their OL is almost always old due to mission work.  

That has to make a difference and partly explains why Wilson rarely saw pressure.

These were the starting OL and their ages for BYU in 2020:

* LT Brady Christensen (24)

* C James Empey (24)

* G Chandon Herring (25)

* G Tristen Hoge (23)

* RT Blake Freeland (20)

 

2) When Wilson DID see pressure, he got exposed much like he did here.  It’s just that it happened so rarely (dominant OL + soft schedule) that it either got ignored/not noticed or excused away.

I am a BYU fan.  Yes, they typically have decent OL play especially when playing weaker competition like they did during the covid year because all of their P5 opponents dropped out.  I think they had 5 P5 games prior to all of the cancelations.

They typically were exposed as decidedly average OL when they played the likes of Tennessee and USC.  However they pulled out those games.

I'm not here to defend ZW, only that BYU isn't some powerhouse that is consistently out recruiting an average G5 school.  Although this could change a bit now that they are starting Big12 play.

[Dunnie]

Why he failed:
Slow football brain disease and to a (much) lesser extent bad attitude.
 

.. and poor OL play

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[Sperm Edwards]

12 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

1) BYU isn’t top tier but their OL usually is because their linemen tend to grown men in the 22-24 age group.  Look it up.  Their OL is almost always old due to mission work.  

That has to make a difference and partly explains why Wilson rarely saw pressure.

These were the starting OL and their ages for BYU in 2020:

* LT Brady Christensen (24)

* C James Empey (24)

* G Chandon Herring (25)

* G Tristen Hoge (23)

* RT Blake Freeland (20)

 

2) When Wilson DID see pressure, he got exposed much like he did here.  It’s just that it happened so rarely (dominant OL + soft schedule) that it either got ignored/not noticed or excused away.

What I see more - on the off-chance I was bored enough to look at some highlight clips of a failed draft pick after the fact - is that (whether to throw it or run with it) he would abandon the pocket to run outside his RT instead of stepping up when there was a pocket with room to do so. Not enough attention paid to that, in favor of wow’ing a wrist-flick off-balance strike 50 yards downfield (typically against 3rd rate DBs at that) and his elite arm strength in general (which he does legitimately possess).

There’s more to consider, though. They used to say Jamarcus Russell could throw it through a brick wall. Lot of good that did him when it comes along with mashed potatoes between his ears with an utter lack of maturity. 

I don’t know that he’s totally unsalvageable for life, but so far it certainly doesn’t look good, let alone likely, that such a turnaround will take place. Odds are stacked far against someone starting this bad changing into an asset that makes others around him better. He’s also lost any underdog goodwill with his teammates.

TBH the best chance of a major career trajectory change is if it turns out, despite past lip service fluff pieces to the contrary, he just wasn’t putting in the work required. Because if he was putting in the hard work on the field & with exhaustive hours of film study, and what we saw these past two years was the result of truly serious preparation efforts…yecch. 

[jgb]

39 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

.. and poor OL play

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I think (hope) you're being sarcastic.

Yes, he'd play better with a good/great/elite OL. But that's not going to turn a guy who -- let's be honest -- looks utterly lost into a FQB.

[Dunnie]

What I see more - on the off-chance I was bored enough to look at some highlight clips of a failed draft pick after the fact - is that (whether to throw it or run with it) he would abandon the pocket to run outside his RT instead of stepping up when there was a pocket with room to do so. Not enough attention paid to that, in favor of wow’ing a wrist-flick off-balance strike 50 yards downfield (typically against 3rd rate DBs at that) and his elite arm strength in general (which he does legitimately possess).
There’s more to consider, though. They used to say Jamarcus Russell could throw it through a brick wall. Lot of good that did him when it comes along with with mashed potatoes between his ears with an utter lack of maturity. 
I don’t know that he’s totally unsalvageable for life, but so far it certainly doesn’t look good, let alone likely, that such a turnaround will take place. Odds are stacked far against someone starting this bad changing into an asset that makes others around him better. He’s also lost any underdog goodwill with his teammates.
TBH the best chance of a major career trajectory change is if it turns out, despite past lip service fluff pieces to the contrary, he just wasn’t putting in the work required. Because if he was putting in the hard work on the field & with exhaustive hours of film study, and what we saw these past two years was the result of truly serious preparation efforts…yecch. 

I agree with all of this .. cept it was even worse .. at times he would bail .. do a 360 and try to run around the LEFT tackle.

Any way you slice it .. I want to give him more time to be sure it's not just a maturity or coaching thing... I want to see him get one more shot after sitting behind Rodgers.



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[LIJetsFan]

49 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I agree with all of this .. cept it was even worse .. at times he would bail .. do a 360 and try to run around the LEFT tackle.

Any way you slice it .. I want to give him more time to be sure it's not just a maturity or coaching thing... I want to see him get one more shot after sitting behind Rodgers.



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This one more shot idea is scary.  From what I understand the CS knew Zack was the worst QB in the room all throughout year 1 and year 2 TC, preseason, etc.  Year 1 was forgivable perhaps but year 2, not so much.  

So post Rodgers (or whoever  ), Zack must show the CS he is good enough prior to the first regular season game, otherwise hell no.  I'd guess 80% of us are in the ain't ever going to happen camp.    

 

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Dunnie said:

.. and poor OL play

[SoFlaJets]

I never want to see ZW in a real Jets football game EVER. AGAIN.

[Jet Nut]

20 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

ZW played beat no one in college Coastal Carolina was best team he faced …

And?  How many games in their entire careers did Lawrence, Jones, Fields etc play where it wasn’t men playing against boys?  Love the idea that Alabama, Clemson, OSU etc weren’t favored pretty much every time they lined up.

[slats]

7 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

What I see more - on the off-chance I was bored enough to look at some highlight clips of a failed draft pick after the fact - is that (whether to throw it or run with it) he would abandon the pocket to run outside his RT instead of stepping up when there was a pocket with room to do so. Not enough attention paid to that, in favor of wow’ing a wrist-flick off-balance strike 50 yards downfield (typically against 3rd rate DBs at that) and his elite arm strength in general (which he does legitimately possess).

There’s more to consider, though. They used to say Jamarcus Russell could throw it through a brick wall. Lot of good that did him when it comes along with mashed potatoes between his ears with an utter lack of maturity. 

I don’t know that he’s totally unsalvageable for life, but so far it certainly doesn’t look good, let alone likely, that such a turnaround will take place. Odds are stacked far against someone starting this bad changing into an asset that makes others around him better. He’s also lost any underdog goodwill with his teammates.

TBH the best chance of a major career trajectory change is if it turns out, despite past lip service fluff pieces to the contrary, he just wasn’t putting in the work required. Because if he was putting in the hard work on the field & with exhaustive hours of film study, and what we saw these past two years was the result of truly serious preparation efforts…yecch. 

He’s difficult to watch because he can’t make the easy throws at all. I don’t know how else to put it, but he seems to just psych himself out. It looks like he’s overthinking every move he makes on the field. As if he’s not only unable to get over the pre-game jitters, but they get progressively worse during the game. It’s his head that needs fixing but, not its intelligence, its psychological well-being. 
 
His other issue has to be his relationship with his teammates. The Mike White love was a symptom of a bigger problem. That press conference where he said he wasn’t letting them down? That was one of the worst press conferences I’ve ever seen. He needs to repair his relationship with them. That’s probably going to be a year long process. He may get back a little underdog cred when the head-to-head comparisons of him and Rodgers are being reported from training camp. 
 
With him it’s not work, it’s waiting for the switch to flip where he suddenly gets it. He’s putting in all the work, it’s just not clicking. I understand trying the one/two year reset where you hope by taking the pressure off of him he relaxes and finally gets comfortable. I’ll be happy if he works out or Douglas gets something impressive for him in a trade. 

[joewilly12]

46 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And?  How many games in their entire careers did Lawrence, Jones, Fields etc play where it wasn’t men playing against boys?  Love the idea that Alabama, Clemson, OSU etc weren’t favored pretty much every time they lined up.

And look at the outcome worst rated QB in the NFL that the NY Jets wasted a #2 pick on wonder why we haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1969 it’s draft picks decisions like this. 

[Maxman]

18 hours ago, freestater said:

I think I'm most impressed that Glenn has managed to hang on to his New York accent after being in England for so long.

This is great!!! Love it.

He is the only one in his house that sounds that way. He is holding on strong. 

[Sperm Edwards]

56 minutes ago, slats said:

He’s difficult to watch because he can’t make the easy throws at all. I don’t know how else to put it, but he seems to just psych himself out. It looks like he’s overthinking every move he makes on the field. As if he’s not only unable to get over the pre-game jitters, but they get progressively worse during the game. It’s his head that needs fixing but, not its intelligence, its psychological well-being. 
 
His other issue has to be his relationship with his teammates. The Mike White love was a symptom of a bigger problem. That press conference where he said he wasn’t letting them down? That was one of the worst press conferences I’ve ever seen. He needs to repair his relationship with them. That’s probably going to be a year long process. He may get back a little underdog cred when the head-to-head comparisons of him and Rodgers are being reported from training camp. 
 
With him it’s not work, it’s waiting for the switch to flip where he suddenly gets it. He’s putting in all the work, it’s just not clicking. I understand trying the one/two year reset where you hope by taking the pressure off of him he relaxes and finally gets comfortable. I’ll be happy if he works out or Douglas gets something impressive for him in a trade. 

Regarding the easy throws, yeah of course it's in his head. It's not like he is physically incapable of throwing a screen pass with only 5-8 yards of air. The thing with guys who have the yips is sometimes it never goes away; they're forever thinking about Am I throwing it too hard? Am I throwing it hard enough? and it goes away when they are off-balance or rushed with no time to think about something that'd otherwise be automatic.

Also agree on the teammates. They may not groan so much upon seeing him if they know he's not being handed the job yet again. He could also go a long way to help his own cause by humbling himself more, which would best be done if he takes his time & gets around to everyone individually. People are more sympathetic to someone who's self-deprecating. That was the exact opposite of what he did on his podium "event" that got collective WTFs from his teammates.

I don't honestly know if he's putting in the work. Oddly enough I'd be more optimistic if I'd found out he wasn't. Favre was a disaster his first season in Atlanta - worse than Zach by a lot - but yeah, ok, turns out he was drunk every night, hung over every day, and knew as much or less of his own playbook as his grandmother. 

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

And look at the outcome worst rated QB in the NFL that the NY Jets wasted a #2 pick on wonder why we haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1969 it’s draft picks decisions like this. 

I know this is incredibly hard to fathom but picking the consensus 2nd ranked QB in the draft as the 2nd QB taken isnt a bad decision even if it never works out.  We needed an QB and they don’t work out as every QB not named Lawrence hasnt up to now.  
Also a pick in 2021 has nothing to do with the years before 2021, that’s just whining.   

[joewilly12]

20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I know this is incredibly hard to fathom but picking the consensus 2nd ranked QB in the draft as the 2nd QB taken isnt a bad decision even if it never works out.  We needed an QB and they don’t work out as every QB not named Lawrence hasnt up to now.  
Also a pick in 2021 has nothing to do with the years before 2021, that’s just whining.   

It has everything to do with everything bad drafting throughout the years is why this organization hasn’t won anything.

Many didn’t have him as the consensus #2 QB in the draft. 

[Bobby816]

Make ZW change his number to 0 and tell him he has to earn a number from here in out.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

It has everything to do with everything bad drafting throughout the years is why this organization hasn’t won anything.

Many didn’t have him as the consensus #2 QB in the draft. 

Which has nothing to do with JD as much as you want it too. 
Not many Joe, let’s not rewrite history