GB doesn't necessarily need a first round pick in a trade

[Rhg1084]

3 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I don't think a GM should do something stupid just because another GM did something stupid.

This should be the Favre package or less.

First of all the Favre trade was heavily based on conditionals. It’s would’ve escalated to a 2nd rd pick had we made the playoffs that year. Do you expect the Jets to make the playoffs with Rodgers?

[Maynard13]

6 hours ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

Take it for what it's worth....

 

Tom Pelissero

 

@TomPelissero

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#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst just met with a small group of media here in Phoenix. - No timeline on trading Aaron Rodgers, hoping soon - Doesn’t necessarily need a first-round pick - Any chance Rodgers plays for GB again? Not trending that way but “all options are on the table”

“all options are on the table”
100 million

pocket change 

[AFJF]

5 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

First of all the Favre trade was heavily based on conditionals. It’s would’ve escalated to a 2nd rd pick had we made the playoffs that year. Do you expect the Jets to make the playoffs with Rodgers?

And the Rodgers deal should be the same.  Pack can get a 1 next year if the Jets make a playoff run.  But this year's pick?  With no known outcomes?  To take on one of the worst contracts you've ever seen in you life?

This would be another typical dumb Jets move.  Giving away premium picks to end a playoff drought and be looking for a QB again in 11 months.

[JETS SB]

1 minute ago, AFJF said:

And the Rodgers deal should be the same.  Pack can get a 1 next year if the Jets make a playoff run.  But this year's pick?  With no known outcomes?  To take on one of the worst contracts you've ever seen in you life?

This would be another typical dumb Jets move.  Giving away premium picks to end a playoff drought and be looking for a QB again in 11 months.

We are the Jets. We make terrible 2nd round choices most of the time anyways. Don’t worry. Be happy. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

A 2nd and a 2nd that can become a 1st is reasonably close to just coughing up the 2 1sts it would take to secure Lamar.

It’s insane to me the Jets would prefer surrendering those kind of assets for a 40 year old QB with one foot already in retirement over a 26 year old QB with at least 5+ years of high level play in his outlook. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

In a vacuum, JD should be willing to sit tight and not break.

The odds of the Jets winning it all with Rodgers might be 10% at best.

Most likely outcome is a playoff exit in round 1 or 2 and then AR retires.

Realistically though there comes a point where he has to deliver Rodgers because the owner wants him and because if he doesn’t win this year, he’s a goner.

I also think JD won’t pursue Lamar regardless out of some misguided sense of loyalty to the Ravens organization, Da Costa, and Ozzie, who is still some kind of emeritus consultant or something.

[Sperm Edwards]

5 hours ago, AFJF said:

And the Rodgers deal should be the same.  Pack can get a 1 next year if the Jets make a playoff run.  But this year's pick?  With no known outcomes?  To take on one of the worst contracts you've ever seen in you life?

This would be another typical dumb Jets move.  Giving away premium picks to end a playoff drought and be looking for a QB again in 11 months.

I always prefer less, but it’s not the same.

Favre had actively retired, and then un-retired after the draft, when the Packers had already moved on after his March retirement. Plus the Jets still had their starting QB in Pennington. If the team was focused on replacing him with Clemens or another, that would’ve already happened in FA or the draft before Favre un-retired.

It was well past the draft. There was also no recent history of mercenary veteran QBs turning their new teams into SB champs (let alone with one of them in his 40s). 

Compare to Rodgers who never officially retired in the first place - let alone from March through/into June - and certainly wasn’t retired this offseason from the start, and that the Jets were in the QB market before deciding the only one they badly wanted was Rodgers (going so far as to make his close buddy their OC; filling a position that simply couldn’t wait until at least mid-March after a Rodgers trade went through). 

Also compare to Rodgers just outright being a better QB and stating wanting to go to the Jets, not (as Favre did) saying he wanted to return to the Packers. Favre also had only thrown more TDs than INTs in one of his prior three seasons before getting traded to the Jets.

Obvious parallels exist between the same two teams, with the trades going in the same directions for 39 year-old, but still effective, future HOF QBs. But the details and timing of their situations are not, in fact, the same. 

[ylekram]

8 hours ago, AFJF said:

Looks like Joe D. might be on the verge of getting ripped off after all.
 

 

 

2 2's is 2 much, Imo. even for a 2 year rental

[C Mart]

 

GB side of things via The Athletic:

Ghosted by Aaron Rodgers, Packers GM finally moved on: ‘I had to do my job’

By Matt Schneidman

Mar 27, 2023

PHOENIX — Aaron Rodgers appeared on “The Pat McAfee Show” before nearly half a million YouTube viewers two weeks ago and, among many other things, said he wished the Packers would’ve had more direct conversations with him about his future with the organization.

Here is the abbreviated version of events, according to Rodgers: During a week in Green Bay after the season ended, the Packers told Rodgers to take as long as he wanted in deciding his future and that they wanted him to retire a Packer. The door was “wide open” to come back if he wanted. But when he emerged from his darkness retreat in late February, he said “something changed.” He learned from people he trusted around the league that the Packers were interested in trading him.

Rodgers said he would’ve been fine with their decision had they told him up front.

'Something changed': Aaron Rodgers says Packers shifted tone on wanting him back

It was a new chapter in the rift between Rodgers and the Packers front office. Two years ago, Rodgers almost didn’t report for training camp and wanted out of Green Bay, in part because of how the front office had historically bid adieu to respected veterans. Rodgers found it ironic that he now viewed himself as one of those players who he didn’t feel was shown the door properly.

At the NFL’s annual league meeting on Monday, Packers sixth-year general manager Brian Gutekunst finally responded to Rodgers essentially claiming the Packers started shopping arguably the franchise’s best player ever behind his back. And Gutekunst’s version of how the past couple of months have transpired didn’t exactly echo the quarterback’s.

“After the season, we had a good conversation and we were going to have some follow-up conversations,” Gutekunst told a small group of reporters. “And our inability to reach him or for him to respond in any way, I think at that point, I had to do my job and reach out, understanding that a trade could be possible and see(ing) who was interested.”

Gutekunst said he tried to contact Rodgers “many times” this offseason to discuss how Rodgers fit in the team’s future. Those failed attempts ended with Rodgers’ camp informing the Packers of what Rodgers stated on McAfee’s show, that he wanted to be traded to the Jets.

“I was really looking forward to the conversations with Aaron to see how he fit into that. Those never transpired,” Gutekunst said. “So there came a time where we had to make some decisions, so we went through his representatives to try to talk to him (about) where were we going with our team, and at that point, they informed us that he would like to be traded to the Jets … At the same time, Aaron’s been a great player for us. He means a lot to the organization. There’s a lot of gratitude there, but those conversations would’ve been nice.

“I think it was really more mutual than anything else, our letting his representatives know where we were at as a football team and that we’d like to have conversations and then kind of letting us know that wasn’t going to work and he’d like to be traded.”

Gutekunst wouldn’t divulge specifics of his negotiations with Jets GM Joe Douglas, whom he has known for a long time. The two have talked on the phone for a couple of weeks but haven’t been able to come to terms on a trade. Both GMs are in Phoenix and have spoken in person, too.

“They’ve been really good discussions, really cordial, and we’ll continue to have those conversations,” Gutekunst said. “Hopefully, we can come to an agreement sooner than later.”

Gutekunst said getting a first-round pick in return for Rodgers — the Jets currently own the No. 13 pick — is not a necessity. However, he said getting “premier picks” for a “premier player” is important. The Jets recently acquired a second-round pick (No. 42) from the Browns in exchange for wide receiver Elijah Moore and a third-round pick, so the Jets now own picks 42 and 43 in the second round. According to the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart, the two picks combined are of equal value to the No. 17 pick. So not quite No. 13, but not far off.

Gutekunst all but said he wants the trade finalized before the first round of the NFL Draft on April 27. He was asked Monday if whatever picks he gets in return for Rodgers need to be in the 2023 draft or if he can afford to wait for 2024 draft capital.

“I think the sooner the better,” Gutekunst said while adding he’s willing to wait “as long as it takes” to make a deal he deems fitting. “Certainly if we get beyond the draft, then everything changes, compensation changes. That would be a whole different scenario, but hopefully, we can get this done soon.”

Gutekunst said the ball is in the Jets’ court. New York seems to have the leverage before the draft since the Packers want draft picks they can use next month to add to the talent surrounding 24-year-old quarterback Jordan Love, helping him to succeed right away. After the draft, the next hard deadline is June 1. If a trade happens before that date, the Packers take on a dead money hit for Rodgers of about $40.3 million. If he’s traded after June 1, about $15.8 million of that goes on 2023 and the rest on 2024. The longer this drags out, if it goes into the summer, the more desperate it would seem the Jets get as they go deeper into the offseason without the quarterback they intend to start Week 1.

But make no mistake: Both teams want this done so they can simply move on.

And no, the Jets won’t ditch their Rodgers plan to go after Lamar Jackson, who made his trade request to the Ravens public on Monday morning. Douglas told reporters that talking with Jackson would be “disingenuous” given their commitment to acquiring Rodgers.

And yes, it’s just the Jets vying for Rodgers.

Gutekunst said there were “some loose conversations” earlier this offseason with a team (or teams) that wasn’t the Jets, but that he has limited negotiations to only the Jets after Rodgers’ camp indicated that’s where he wanted to go.

So where does this go from here?

For one, Gutekunst doesn’t have to hold his tongue anymore. He has done enough of that before finally letting loose Monday, at least as much as he could in a filmed, on-the-record setting. Gutekunst doesn’t have to worry about what Rodgers says on McAfee’s show, either, which will come as a welcome subtraction to the GM’s weekly routine unless Love takes up a weekly spot on the popular YouTube program.

“Certainly whenever a player may have issues, you prefer that they talk to you directly and not do it in the media, but that’s not necessarily the way he goes about it and that’s OK,” Gutekunst said. “But yeah, those things aren’t of our concern.”

Now we wait for Gutekunst and Douglas to reach an agreement. Maybe they’ll do it at Monday night’s cocktail hour at the Arizona Biltmore resort, where owners, presidents, GMs, head coaches, reporters and a swarm of others will gather for drinks. Maybe they’ll do it in a week. Maybe longer. Maybe much longer.

Whenever Rodgers officially parts ways with the only franchise he has ever played for, one thing will be clear after Monday’s developments: a marriage that had been fully repaired in recent years may not have such a harmonious ending after all.