Jetsfan80 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The Athletic’s Nate Tice just issued a fervent defense of Richardson as his QB1 and it hinged on the fact that Richardson rarely threw it short, which made his stats look worse. My thought was that drafting a guy that high who hasn’t shown proficiency making quick reads and getting the ball out is a recipe for disaster. Both Joe Burrow and Mahomes had a lower depth of target than Mike White last year. They guys at the top of that list were all bad or injured (Mariota, Fields, Tua, Josh Allen, etc). Yep. Rarely making short throws isn’t a defense, it’s a red flag. Richardson isn’t going to be able to just launch or run every play in the pros. You can’t take a guy with no feel for that in the top 5, because the pressure will be on for him to see the field in year 1 and it’ll be disastrous when he does. The best QBs in the league have the “boring” short game down. Hence why it was so ridiculous for Wilson defenders to try to excuse away his short throw inaccuracy for so long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yep. Rarely making short throws isn’t a defense, it’s a red flag. Richardson isn’t going to be able to just launch or run every play in the pros. You can’t take a guy with no feel for that in the top 5, because the pressure will be on for him to see the field in year 1 and it’ll be disastrous when he does. The best QBs in the league have the “boring” short game down. Hence why it was so ridiculous for Wilson defenders to try to excuse away his short throw inaccuracy for so long. I remember that with Darnold—even in his good games, his short accuracy was always horrific. I think people are too Madden-centric and think that deep passing=good QBing, but great QBing is defined by being able to complete a bunch of third and eights consistently. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I remember that with Darnold—even in his good games, his short accuracy was always horrific. I think people are too Madden-centric and think that deep passing=good QBing, but great QBing is defined by being able to complete a bunch of third and eights consistently. Hell, even 3rd & 4s. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 Zach 2.0 is coming in 2024.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Dunnie said: Zach 2.0 is coming in 2024. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Who? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 3 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: Feels like we're talking about Josh Allen all over again. I hated Josh Allen in 2018, and I loved Josh Rosen. lol The same. Josh Allen remains an all time outlier though — maybe we’ll see a trend of “traits” guys with zero production turning into great pros but I remain skeptical. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: I think my problem with QB prospects is that, as a Jets fan, I can’t conceptualize any of them fixing any of their deficiencies in a meaningful way when they get to the pros. T0m, they usually don’t. http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/03/17/quarterback-traits-the-attainable-versus-the-inherent/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Dunnie said: Zach 2.0 is coming in 2024. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Could be for sure although to be fair this guy is MechaStreisand compared to lithe glass cannon Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyT Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 I’d like to take a late round flyer on Max Duggan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Flashlite80 said: They have been saying the same things about Zach for 2 years. Yeah, and they fail to recognize that Wilson’s fatal flaw is not his accuracy but his pocket management. The accuracy doesn’t help, but him running around like a chicken with his head cut off as often as he does is the real problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 1:23 AM, joewilly12 said: I think he’s going to be a good one. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 12:46 AM, JETS SB said: Articles say it appears to be an attitude and entitlement thing. Obviously we have been through this before but if he does indeed drop to us at 42/43, is it considered or does the fact he is 24 years old and its character thing, not worth the risk ? Its being said he has all the tools, 6’4” huge arm and mobile. It’s also being reported, maybe these reports are planted by team(s) that in fact want him. Either way, if he does indeed drop to day 2, trading up to the 3rd round seems like a low risk high reward pick. Thoughts ? Is John Beck his trainer? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Dunnie said: Zach 2.0 is coming in 2024. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk You mean going? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 12:46 AM, JETS SB said: Articles say it appears to be an attitude and entitlement thing. Obviously we have been through this before but if he does indeed drop to us at 42/43, is it considered or does the fact he is 24 years old and its character thing, not worth the risk ? Its being said he has all the tools, 6’4” huge arm and mobile. It’s also being reported, maybe these reports are planted by team(s) that in fact want him. Either way, if he does indeed drop to day 2, trading up to the 3rd round seems like a low risk high reward pick. Thoughts ? Pass on Levis...Hooker moving up. Take him, let him learn this year IF AR is here then cut ZW after this season. Hooker is then the starter for 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: Pass on Levis...Hooker moving up. Take him, let him learn this year IF AR is here then cut ZW after this season. Hooker is then the starter for 2024. If it weren't for the Clemson Tigers sticker I would have sworn that you were Mike Tannenbaum with the way you are promoting Hendon Hooker. Just think how lucky we are that Tannenbaum doesn't have his hands in the Jets' draft room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SoFlaJets said: If it weren't for the Clemson Tigers sticker I would have sworn that you were Mike Tannenbaum with the way you are promoting Hendon Hooker. Just think how lucky we are that Tannenbaum doesn't have his hands in the Jets' draft room. Actually, at this point I'd rather Tanenbaum be running the Jets draft than JD, who is intent on undoing the steady progress of building the roster in order to bring in an over the hill AR and filling the roster with his acolytes, which will sow dissension and disharmony in the locker room. As far as Hooker, I believe his age is a plus, he's a playmaker with an excellent upside. Build around him and let him flourish.in 2024. And while we're at it, get his teammate WR Jalin Hyatt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 Whenever athletes and steroids come ip i always think of olympic sprint champion famed steroid user Ben Johnson and a late night comedian joke. Ben Johnson was in the news because he had a fender bender and lost his cool dealing with the other guy in the accident. The comedian said he really felt for the other guy because “what was he gonna do? … run … from the fastest man in the world?” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 17 hours ago, TommyT said: I’d like to take a late round flyer on Max Dugan. UDFA maybe. But a late QB is a nice idea, just doesn't look like JD is gonna go that way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 19 hours ago, TommyT said: I’d like to take a late round flyer on Max Dugan. I believe in a mid/late round flyer every year regardless of situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: Actually, at this point I'd rather Tanenbaum be running the Jets draft than JD, who is intent on undoing the steady progress of building the roster in order to bring in an over the hill AR and filling the roster with his acolytes, which will sow dissension and disharmony in the locker room. As far as Hooker, I believe his age is a plus, he's a playmaker with an excellent upside. Build around him and let him flourish.in 2024. And while we're at it, get his teammate WR Jalin Hyatt. Yea two rookie of the year draftees prove Douglas shouldn't have anything to do with the process 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 I don't see the Jets drafting a QB that high unless they end up trading Zach. Right now they have 3 QBs on the roster, Zach, Strev and Boyle. With Rodgers that makes 4 which is normally what they take into training camp. They could sign a UFA after the draft or even draft a QB who they like and falls in the later rounds. If Levis or Hooker falls to 13 it could give Jets a chance to trade down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Rangers9 said: I don't see the Jets drafting a QB that high unless they end up trading Zach. Right now they have 3 QBs on the roster, Zach, Strev and Boyle. With Rodgers that makes 4 which is normally what they take into training camp. They could sign a UFA after the draft or even draft a QB who they like and falls in the later rounds. If Levis or Hooker falls to 13 it could give Jets a chance to trade down. You mean we have .5 qbs on the roster. Boyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 On 4/9/2023 at 11:08 AM, SoFlaJets said: Yea two rookie of the year draftees prove Douglas shouldn't have anything to do with the process One excellent draft in 2022, a fair draft in 2021 and an undisputable draft disaster in 2020 is his record. You[re not paying attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Now odds on with the bookies to go 2nd overall. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Will Levis, Antony Richardson, CJ Stroud is plummeting down the draft boards! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashlite80 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 If we have a management team that is afraid to draft a quarterback, we need a new management team. I don't know enough about Levi to know his potential. If the scouting says he is a potential Josh Allen, they should take him. If they hesitate for any other reason than their evaluation of the player, they have to go. The simple fact is teams with young franchise quarterbacks on 5 year rookie contracts are all serious contenders for the super bowl. They enjoy the luxury of $30+ MM more cap space to build their team. Rodgers has been a HOF quarterback. What can we expect at 39-40-41? Plus, the effort will destroy the 2025 and 2026 cap with $35MM dead cap per year. There is nothing like hitting on a franchise quarterback to change a franchise trajectory for 15 years. Ask the Patriots, Chiefs, Eagles, Bengals, etc. When they hit, they are at the top of the food chain and stay there for a long time. We know what happens when your team misses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Will Levis, Antony Richardson, CJ Stroud is plummeting down the draft boards! The conventional wisdom by Wednesday night is going to end up being: 1. Young 2. Levis 3. Stroud/Hooker 4. Hooker/Stroud 5. Richardson. Interview sessions must have been pretty damning in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said: If we have a management team that is afraid to draft a quarterback, we need a new management team. I don't know enough about Levi to know his potential. If the scouting says he is a potential Josh Allen, they should take him. If they hesitate for any other reason than their evaluation of the player, they have to go. The simple fact is teams with young franchise quarterbacks on 5 year rookie contracts are all serious contenders for the super bowl. They enjoy the luxury of $30+ MM more cap space to build their team. Rodgers has been a HOF quarterback. What can we expect at 39-40-41? Plus, the effort will destroy the 2025 and 2026 cap with $35MM dead cap per year. There is nothing like hitting on a franchise quarterback to change a franchise trajectory for 15 years. Ask the Patriots, Chiefs, Eagles, Bengals, etc. When they hit, they are at the top of the food chain and stay there for a long time. We know what happens when your team misses. Couldn’t agree more. I hate the “take one in round 4 or 5 and develop him” theory, but any time my team can get a top 4 QB prospect, I’m all about it. Without a FQB you’ve got nothing. Keep trying until you hit on one. Screw the OL and DL, get those guys later in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The conventional wisdom by Wednesday night is going to end up being: 1. Young 2. Levis 3. Stroud/Hooker 4. Hooker/Stroud 5. Richardson. Interview sessions must have been pretty damning in some cases. Stroud has been my dream pick from day one, but that’s pie in the sky dreaming on my part. Hooker doesn’t interest me at all. Levis is growing on me, and if we get Rodgers, he or Richardson might be the perfect development guy at #13. If Douglas needs to draft OL in the first round every year, he’s not the guru he was touted as being. This team needs to solve its QB issue. Rodger’s isn’t a cure, he’s a band aid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Now odds on with the bookies to go 2nd overall. What a horrid QB class. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Sam Hartman in the third/fourth round next year. Chain mover, uber-accurate, fairly mobile, super composed, great beard, good looking kid, that played on QB 1 the same season as Fields. So it'll be just like having Fields only better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/10/2023 at 2:52 PM, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: One excellent draft in 2022, a fair draft in 2021 and an undisputable draft disaster in 2020 is his record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: What a horrid QB class. Here’s the thing 80. Who the fu*k really knows with these QBs? Think about it, how many great classes or highly touted kids have we seen fall on their faces the last few years? Nobody had Allen and LJ being the star of the ‘18 class, nor did anyone have Purdy being the guy in ‘22. A team like the Jets needs to forget about picks like Darnold and Wilson. They sucked, but what can you do except move on and try again. If I’m our GM, and Levis or Richardson are sitting there at 13, I could give two sh*ts about my “board” I’m taking the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Now odds on with the bookies to go 2nd overall. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Here’s the thing 80. Who the fu*k really knows with these QBs? Think about it, how many great classes or highly touted kids have we seen fall on their faces the last few years? Nobody had Allen and LJ being the star of the ‘18 class, nor did anyone have Purdy being the guy in ‘22. A team like the Jets needs to forget about picks like Darnold and Wilson. They sucked, but what can you do except move on and try again. If I’m our GM, and Levis or Richardson are sitting there at 13, I could give two sh*ts about my “board” I’m taking the QB. 1 of these QBs or maybe even 2 might work out decently. But they all have severe red flags and its why teams are hesitant to take them. OR unworthy guys are getting pushed up the board simply because having a top-2 pick means you have to take a QB. Thus it would also surprise no one if NONE of these guys work out. The signs are there that this QB class sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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