How good is this offense? 2023 Jets taking shape..

[GreenFish]

When Breece was healthy, we were a top 5 running team. And this was with teams stacking the box.

If you add a veteran center like Ben Jones, I think that's a top 10 offense. Possibly top 5.

Too risky to go into the season with a rookie center.

[bicketybam]

Correct.  The problem is you have like 6 HOF caliber qbs in your conference who are in their prime.  Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence etc.  With Aaron Rodgers, you are bringing a knife to a gunfight.
 
 

It's funny....you said 6 HOF QB's and could only name 5. And you had to throw in Lawrence and Herbert. HOF? As of now? Come on.

[Joe W. Namath]

30 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Better to bring a knife than fists.

Is it though?  Especially if u are going to mortgage your future?

A better plan would be to trade up for Richardson, build a gimmick offense for him like they did for cam/lamar etc and try to win that way.

then u take all the money u r going to invest in rodgers, Odell etc and u invest it in the D.

Then maybe u can stop these HOF young guns.

Listen, Im not saying Rodgers insnt going to be an improvement.  He is.  But w/ the talent at qb in the afc, at his age I dont think its going to make much of a difference in the end.

 

[rangerous]

10 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

This is probably close to where we will land.  (Maybe we add OBJ, Cobb, Zeke and/or a Vet Center)
 

QB:  Rodgers

LT:  Pick #13 or (healthy) Brown

LG:  Tomlinson

Center:  Pick #42

RG:  AVT

RT:  Becton or Mitchell

X Receiver:  G Wilson (Hardman)

Slot Receiver:  Lazard (Hardman)

Z Receiver:  Davis (Mims)

RB:  Breece (Carter/Knight)

TE:  Conklin (Uzomah/Ruckert)

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Is this a top 5 offense?

Realistic PPG?

This is a damn sight better than 17 ppg.  Realistically it all depends on they all play together and don’t get wrecked by injuries.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

10 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

This is probably close to where we will land.  (Maybe we add OBJ, Cobb, Zeke and/or a Vet Center)
 

 

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QB:  Rodgers

LT:  Nothing - Uncertainty

LG:  Tomlinson - Uncertainty

Center:  Nothing

RG:  AVT

RT:  Nothing - Injured Player

X Receiver:  G Wilson  

Slot Receiver:  Lazard  

Z Receiver:  Davis  

RB:  Breece  

TE:  Uzomah 

[the Claw]

15-20 if Rogers comes over

 

O line starters are a mess, Breece is injured and likely wont snap back to uninjured form for a while if ever, and besides Wilson the wr room is meh at best. This is still a 9-8 team. 

[Dunnie]

12 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Is it though?  Especially if u are going to mortgage your future?

A better plan would be to trade up for Richardson, build a gimmick offense for him like they did for cam/lamar etc and try to win that way.

then u take all the money u r going to invest in rodgers, Odell etc and u invest it in the D.

Then maybe u can stop these HOF young guns.

Listen, Im not saying Rodgers insnt going to be an improvement.  He is.  But w/ the talent at qb in the afc, at his age I dont think its going to make much of a difference in the end.

 

That is the big bonus to the Lamar/Richardson masquerade .... you do not need to invest in anything but OL, TE and Defense ... both guys are not good passers and the receiving corps is basically unnecessary .. so in effect we could trade Garrett Wilson for 3 number 1 picks, invest in only the aforementioned positions and hope for the best.

Not my Style. No thanks.

Edited April 1 by Dunnie

[Bobby816]

I’m generally always pro investing in the OL. But I do think having a QB that knows when to get rid of the ball will help this OL a ton. When you have Wilson back there running all over the place the second his 1st read isn’t open. That does the OL no favors. We get AR and he knows how to hang in there and when to move and create time and get rid of the ball. That alone makes the OL better. Not me saying below average guys will be good. But it helps everyone.

[Joe W. Namath]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

That is the big bonus to the Lamar/Richardson masquerade .... you do not need to invest in anything but OL, TE and Defense ... both guys are not good passers and the receiving corps is basically unnecessary .. so in effect we could trade Garrett Wilson for 3 number 1 picks, invest in only the aforementioned positions and hope for the best.

Not my Style. No thanks.

Marquis Brown had 91 catches and over 1,000 yards 1 season in Baltimore, so saying the wr position is unneccesary is 100% not true.

And jalen hurts became a pretty good passer so we have no clue what anthony richsrdson would eventually turn into.

[Dunnie]

Marquis Brown had 91 catches and over 1,000 yards 1 season in Baltimore, so saying the wr position is unneccesary is 100% not true.
And jalen hurts became a pretty good passer so we have no clue what anthony richsrdson would eventually turn into.

Yeah .. holy cherry pick batman .. the SINGLE MVP season that was never replicated. .. good one.

Jalen is more complete than Lamar.

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[Joe W. Namath]

6 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Yeah .. holy cherry pick batman .. the SINGLE MVP season that was never replicated. .. good one.

Jalen is more complete than Lamar.

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Marquis Brown had a 1,000 yard season in 2021.  Lamar Jackson won the mvp award in 2019.

what I am saying is if you go the Richardson route, there is huge upside there.  Now will that upside come to fruition?  No clue but theres a chsnce.

There is 0 upside w/ Aaron Rodgers.  We know who he is.  An aging qb coming off a bad season.  He is not good enough to compete w/ the young gun HOF caliber qbs in the AFC.

Aaron Rodgers is a ryan fitzpatrick 10 win season and then get bounced on the road in the first round of the playoffs vs a burrow, mahomes, lawrence, herbert, allen etc.  That is the ceiling with Aaron.

[Warfish]

On 3/31/2023 at 9:32 AM, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

This is probably close to where we will land.  (Maybe we add OBJ, Cobb, Zeke and/or a Vet Center)
 

QB:  Rodgers

LT:  Pick #13 or (healthy) Brown

LG:  Tomlinson

Center:  Pick #42

RG:  AVT

RT:  Becton or Mitchell

X Receiver:  G Wilson (Hardman)

Slot Receiver:  Lazard (Hardman)

Z Receiver:  Davis (Mims)

RB:  Breece (Carter/Knight)

TE:  Conklin (Uzomah/Ruckert)

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Is this a top 5 offense?

Realistic PPG?

• I don't see Lazard as a slot WR.  He's an X or Y lining up outside.
• RB is a weakness if Hall isn't 100% on opening day.  Carter/Knight are not good enough.
• Oline presumes alot of picks used, and successfully used, for it to be good.
• Oline presumes alot of playes come back 100% from injury, for it to be good.

I am concerned about the O-line.  I am concerned about RB.  I am very concerned about WR.

So no, as laid out, I don't think this is a top 10 Offense.  Alot needs to happen first for it to be that.

[PepPep]

If the Jets do get Rodgers + sign a vet Center + draft an OT and C early + draft a speedy/shifty slot receiver we are in great shape. We now have addressed most, if not all of our weaknesses on offense- QB, O-line depth and WR depth.

You can nitpick exactly how good the players are position by position. But assuming guys can stay healthy and the chemistry is there (you just never know with those two things). This offense does have potential to be top 10 to top 5. I don’t see why not.

Again, there’s a lot of uncertainty on the o-line and JD needs to shore that up in FA and the draft. And I think the slot receiver position needs a shifty, elusive receiver who’s good in space (which Hardman isn’t really- more of a straight line, get around the edge, take the top off the D guy). 

[Maynard13]

On 3/31/2023 at 9:35 AM, BurntDice said:

That center spot is concerning me. Can’t go into the draft 100% needing a center or you’re screwed. Then depending on that guy to start day 1 and play well as a rookie. 
 

a vet C needs to be brought in 

That’s a must. Ben Sims. Book it. Its interesting JD has had several interviews with Schmitz. Jaguars are poised to take him at 22. He’s been scooped up there in several mocks I’ve seen. Here’s a scenario. JT trades back from 13 to 19, 20, 21 with either the Seahawks Chargers or Bucs and gets an extra 2nd rounder. Trade value is around a surplus of 350 (1150 - 850)to move back from 13 to late teen/early 20’s. That translates to a second rounder (350). Probably have to throw in a late pic to even the trade out. Of course the tackle position is fragile with Brown Becton and Mitchell. Becton is the enigma in this. Would still need depth to be safe. JD could always add a tackle with that extra second rounder or sign another vet. There’s still some good ones out there.  Too high to pick a Center at 19, 20, 21? Probably. Mangold was picked late 20’s I recall. And he was one of our best picks ever.  And we’d be getting that extra 2nd. This would really fill a dire need, fortify the line for the future and he’d have a real pro to learn behind Ben Sims. Ok blast away. 

[Maynard13]

10 minutes ago, PepPep said:

If the Jets do get Rodgers + sign a vet Center + draft an OT and C early + draft a speedy/shifty slot receiver we are in great shape. We now have addressed most, if not all of our weaknesses on offense- QB, O-line depth and WR depth.

You can nitpick exactly how good the players are position by position. But assuming guys can stay healthy and the chemistry is there (you just never know with those two things). This offense does have potential to be top 10 to top 5. I don’t see why not.

Again, there’s a lot of uncertainty on the o-line and JD needs to shore that up in FA and the draft. And I think the slot receiver position needs a shifty, elusive receiver who’s good in space (which Hardman isn’t really- more of a straight line, get around the edge, take the top off the D guy). 

Cobb. Rodgers loves Cobb. Cobb loves Rodgers. He’s 32, a vet and they know each other and go together like peanut butter and jelly. And Cobb won’t be dropping TD passes in the end zone. 

[batman10023]

20 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Correct.  The problem is you have like 6 HOF caliber qbs in your conference who are in their prime.  Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence etc.  With Aaron Rodgers, you are bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 

 

That’s 5

[Raideraholic]

On 4/1/2023 at 1:11 PM, batman10023 said:

That’s 5

Jimmy G - just kidding.  You have D Watson in Cleveland , L Jackson right now with Ravens .     Wouldn’t even dismiss R Wilson ( have give a Qb a second season in that same offense .    A case could be made for two of them D Watson , and l Jackson .   

[FidelioJet]

Really need a WR #2, really need a C and really need to stay healthy.

If we get all of those - this offense can be very good.

[jtomm]

25 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Really need a WR #2, really need a C  **, a QB, OT, TE **  and really need to stay healthy.

If we get all of those - this offense can be very good.

^^  ** fixed **

[Bobby816]

1 hour ago, jtomm said:

^^  ** fixed **

Why do we need a TE? How are Uzo, Conklin and Ruckert a bad TE group?