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Im surprised that our own FA's havent signed anywhere at this point and while I dont see McG back here I wonder if Fant may be a low cost option to solidify OT and allow us to draft either a center or DT in the first round.  Both Fant and McG are staring level players in the league and not guys who would normally be available at this point in FA and they are both coming from the same organization so it does seem like more then a coincidence to me.

Kwon is also in a similar spot - clearly he doesnt have a contract that hes interested in elsewhere and he could be waiting on Rogers and get another year on a possible SB contender.

 

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1 hour ago, BCJet said:

Im surprised that our own FA's havent signed anywhere at this point and while I dont see McG back here I wonder if Fant may be a low cost option to solidify OT and allow us to draft either a center or DT in the first round.  Both Fant and McG are staring level players in the league and not guys who would normally be available at this point in FA and they are both coming from the same organization so it does seem like more then a coincidence to me.

Kwon is also in a similar spot - clearly he doesnt have a contract that hes interested in elsewhere and he could be waiting on Rogers and get another year on a possible SB contender.

 

Not starting level. Pass.

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I like that lb from Arkansas Drew Sanders whether they bring back Kwon or not.  He does not have a lot of experience but he seems like he will just keep getting better

Also can someone please explain to me why Bryan Bresee is considered 1st round prospect? he seems to have a lot of bust potential to me.  I mean he seems ok as prospect but 2nd rounder maybe

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I think both players and teams are starting to see the value of waiting to sign later in the process if not during the first or second wave of free agency. From the team perspective it allows them to see how the draft unfolds, whereas it gives the players some leverage over teams who come up empty in the draft. A lot of these guys are forced to settle for 1-year deals anyway, they might as well go somewhere who has a need and gives them the best chance to play

I think Kwon has the highest chance of coming back. Fant is probably going to wind up in Miami. McGovern only returns if Ben Jones ultimately says no AND we strike out at C in the draft. Just sounds like they want more of a bully at C, which isn't necessarily how CMG plays 

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55 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think both players and teams are starting to see the value of waiting to sign later in the process if not during the first or second wave of free agency. From the team perspective it allows them to see how the draft unfolds, whereas it gives the players some leverage over teams who come up empty in the draft. A lot of these guys are forced to settle for 1-year deals anyway, they might as well go somewhere who has a need and gives them the best chance to play

I think Kwon has the highest chance of coming back. Fant is probably going to wind up in Miami. McGovern only returns if Ben Jones ultimately says no AND we strike out at C in the draft. Just sounds like they want more of a bully at C, which isn't necessarily how CMG plays 

Peoples heads would explode if Fant came back here. What do you think he will get $ wise?

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I think we're in the stage of the offseason where teams wait till the draft.  There might be a few here and there for would be starters but for the most part, depth, rotational guys, typically at this point, dont sign till after the draft.

edit: Kwon for example, signed during camp last year if I'm not mistaken?

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4 hours ago, Maxman said:

How could the Jets now give him that? One year 5 million even would be a bargain.

I don’t think they want him back; looking for new blood. I guess they would circle back if they were to strike out in the draft, but he’s gonna have a hard time finding much this late. Morgan Moses signed with us for 1 year, $3.5 million back in July 2021 and I’d argue he was more accomplished than Fant is 

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4 hours ago, football guy said:

I don’t think they want him back; looking for new blood. I guess they would circle back if they were to strike out in the draft, but he’s gonna have a hard time finding much this late. Morgan Moses signed with us for 1 year, $3.5 million back in July 2021 and I’d argue he was more accomplished than Fant is 

Well it is a good thought that there is a fall back option out there that can be had at the right price.

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On 4/3/2023 at 9:32 PM, football guy said:

I think both players and teams are starting to see the value of waiting to sign later in the process if not during the first or second wave of free agency. From the team perspective it allows them to see how the draft unfolds, whereas it gives the players some leverage over teams who come up empty in the draft. A lot of these guys are forced to settle for 1-year deals anyway, they might as well go somewhere who has a need and gives them the best chance to play

I think Kwon has the highest chance of coming back. Fant is probably going to wind up in Miami. McGovern only returns if Ben Jones ultimately says no AND we strike out at C in the draft. Just sounds like they want more of a bully at C, which isn't necessarily how CMG plays 

We were spoiled for so long with guys like Mawae and Mangold.  McGovern's play improved after the Jets solidified the line around him, particularly after drafting AVT.  McGovern has always been a bit of a hold-the-fort guy, a trusted veteran who won't give you an advantage but will usually give you adequate consistency.  It would be great to upgrade the position with a young Alpha type if possible.  That would instantly uncork AVT to ascend even higher.

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11 hours ago, Maxman said:

Well it is a good thought that there is a fall back option out there that can be had at the right price.

If for whatever reason the Jets missed out on a tackle in the draft, they would absolutely reach out to guys like Fant, Donovan Smith, Billy Turner, Dennis Kelly, etc. but think there's a lot of confidence they'll land a guy they like whether its in round 1 or round 2

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On 4/4/2023 at 12:32 AM, football guy said:

I think both players and teams are starting to see the value of waiting to sign later in the process if not during the first or second wave of free agency. From the team perspective it allows them to see how the draft unfolds, whereas it gives the players some leverage over teams who come up empty in the draft. A lot of these guys are forced to settle for 1-year deals anyway, they might as well go somewhere who has a need and gives them the best chance to play

I think Kwon has the highest chance of coming back. Fant is probably going to wind up in Miami. McGovern only returns if Ben Jones ultimately says no AND we strike out at C in the draft. Just sounds like they want more of a bully at C, which isn't necessarily how CMG plays 

Teams can wait a bit longer so they don't count against the comp pick formula. The downside is they do lose a little leverage once the draft has come & gone & that position wasn't adequately addressed.

Looks like the Jets were trying to cover both bases by meeting with Jones before the draft, but not making him an offer until they see what they do. If they sign Jones it's certainly not a slam dunk to pass on a center, but with two already signed (2.5, kinda) that does make it a bit less likely.

I do like the idea of Kwon returning. He was nothing great, but he wasn't a massive repeat liability, can slide over to the middle quite easily, and yeah he's cheap. The downside is it gets that much harder for new picks to get onto the field when last year's 3 veteran starters all return, and only one of them should be seen as anything long term. On the other hand, last year was something of an anomaly with him not spending weeks out or on IR outright, so that rookie opportunity will probably still be there during the season without forcing it. There is some take the money & run rationale with him, in not expecting an anomaly to happen in back to back seasons, but he's still turning just 29 this year & rotated off the field plenty.

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On 4/4/2023 at 4:22 PM, Skeptable said:

No way... too low... thats half of what he was making. I thought he signed with Miami

Half what he was making, which was itself half what he was seeking on an extension the Jets never gave him. Then he started the season injured, which badly affected his play, followed by more subpar play upon his return to the right side. 

If someone wanted him to be their starter - for starter money - it probably would've happened by now. His best chance at getting that is if there are multiple injuries & he can catch on somewhere (like Brown did with us).

The other problem Fant has are there are a couple players who - while not coming off elite seasons - both outplayed him last year. 

Cam Fleming is a swing tackle who started all season on both sides last year for Hackett in Denver, is a veteran-minimum $ guy, and I'd take him over Fant who just isn't a nasty run blocker even when he's at the top of his game. Also while Fant may play both sides, no one was impressed with his RT play in either his first or third season here.

There's also another clear starting LT as no one's signed Donovan Smith since Tampa released him early last month. 

Isaiah Wynn is still out there, too. 

So is Taylor Decker -- would be hard for a team to rely upon him to start with multiple knee injuries in the past 2-3 years, but he may garner at least as much interest as Fant if some team's just looking for a 3rd tackle. If he stays on the field he's a better player (if his knee isn't shot), and it's not like Fant has been some ironman starter himself.

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7 hours ago, football guy said:

If for whatever reason the Jets missed out on a tackle in the draft, they would absolutely reach out to guys like Fant, Donovan Smith, Billy Turner, Dennis Kelly, etc. but think there's a lot of confidence they'll land a guy they like whether its in round 1 or round 2

The realist in me wants OT in round one. The Becton lover in me wants OT in round two.

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On 4/5/2023 at 2:44 PM, football guy said:

If for whatever reason the Jets missed out on a tackle in the draft, they would absolutely reach out to guys like Fant, Donovan Smith, Billy Turner, Dennis Kelly, etc. but think there's a lot of confidence they'll land a guy they like whether its in round 1 or round 2

If the team doesnt want him back then I trust that they know more then we do, im just shocked that given Fant's ability to play both tackle spots and the fact that he was hurt last year would make him a real bargain at $5 million

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3 hours ago, BCJet said:

If the team doesnt want him back then I trust that they know more then we do, im just shocked that given Fant's ability to play both tackle spots and the fact that he was hurt last year would make him a real bargain at $5 million

They want to draft a tackle. That’s the plan, and hard to carry 5 tackles with guaranteed salaries prior to camp. It’s one thing if someone were to get injured or were to come out of the draft empty—then yes, they probably go for that. But nothing will happen prior to the draft 

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On 4/1/2023 at 8:04 AM, BCJet said:

Im surprised that our own FA's havent signed anywhere at this point and while I dont see McG back here I wonder if Fant may be a low cost option to solidify OT and allow us to draft either a center or DT in the first round.  Both Fant and McG are staring level players in the league and not guys who would normally be available at this point in FA and they are both coming from the same organization so it does seem like more then a coincidence to me.

Kwon is also in a similar spot - clearly he doesnt have a contract that hes interested in elsewhere and he could be waiting on Rogers and get another year on a possible SB contender.

 

I think all of these players know that what they can expect from the jets is short term and short money contracts.  Basically they can get those from just about any team so I think they are looking for something with more money and are willing to wait until something does come up. It could be they’ll get some interest after the draft.

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