Three Alternate Solutions to Complete Rodgers Trade Without Caving

[32EBoozer]

If GB wants a 2nd, I can see JD agreeing to a general commitment of a 2nd but not locking into a specific pick. This provides him the flexibility of moving down in the draft to collect a pick for GB. I don’t think 42 or 43 straight up are on the table in JD’s eyes. 

Possible trade candidates: 

Chargers: 21+54 —-> Jets 13  (Lower 1st but add 2nd (GB). Jets keep 42 & 43

Seattle: 20+52 —-> Jets 13 & 112 (Lower 1st + add 2nd (GB) but lose 4th)

Eagles: 62+94 —-> Jets 43+143  (Lower 2nd (GB) + add 3rd but lose 5th)

 

Philadelphia is the most probable considering relationships. Only have a few needs with so much talent. Trade of players?

Seattle hates JD( see JA trade?)

Chargers have too many needs.

Thoughts? Swap of #13 —-> #15 also possibility
 

Edited April 2, 2023 by 32EBoozer

[Reasonable Jets Fan]

New Orleans also has 29 and 50 I think for 13...

But none of this will matter the deal just needs to complete

[derp]

I think the price kind of goes down by default if they wait until after the draft to complete the trade because the future picks are less valuable than the current picks. It's also easier for Douglas to protect himself with conditions for future picks. And then the price continues to go down as the possibility of Green Bay needing to hang on to Rodgers for this season becomes more realistic. Risk is of course another team getting involved, but if he doesn't want to cave I think it's just a matter of waiting. Leave the best offer you're comfortable with involving 2023 picks on the table and see if they get antsy and bite as the draft gets closer. 

Trade down would be great too though. It'd be pretty wild if something got done during the draft if the Jets trade down mid draft.

[32EBoozer]

5 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said:

New Orleans also has 29 and 50 I think for 13...

But none of this will matter the deal just needs to complete

Yes, but I also think NO can’t burn picks when they  have many needs. Also, with their Cap issues, they might not be able to afford the higher 1st. ?

[Sammybighead]

I find it extremely difficult to believe that GB would go into a draft not knowing exactly where that pick will be and relying on some hypo trade panning out mid draft.

[TommyT]

Let the Jets not make a deal prior to the draft. Green Bay will fold if they feel that will be the case.

[Embrace the Suck]

Hmm, an alternate solution to caving. Simple, don't cave.

[32EBoozer]

Just now, Sammybighead said:

I find it extremely difficult to believe that GB would go into a draft not knowing exactly where that pick will be and relying on some hypo trade panning out mid draft.

They don’t have many, if any, option… do they. It’s only the Jets as a trade option.

[32EBoozer]

Just now, Embrace the Suck said:

Hmm, an alternate solution to caving. Simple, don't cave.

That’s one option. But better to give a little, especially when women are involved. They have looong memories.

[Embrace the Suck]

12 minutes ago, TommyT said:

Let the Jets not make a deal prior to the draft. Green Bay will fold if they feel that will be the case.

Exactly, they are depending on the Jets getting antsy about getting it done, and in turn giving GB more than they would have gotten otherwise. The Jets don't want to sign a castoff at QB, but they can. GB has to move on from AR one way or the other, and they will never get what they want for him. 

[bla bla bla]

I wouldn't offer any picks this year, we don't need to do this trade before the draft. Douglas will get a better deal AND he'll make Packers eat some of the bonus

[SickJetFan]

im guessing Cimini is right and it will end up being a 2nd this year and a 4th next with triggers

where i think it will be dissappointing to Jets fans is how much GB will "transfer" to Jets cap.

[Embrace the Suck]

Just now, 32EBoozer said:

That’s one option. But better to give a little, especially when women are involved. They have looong memories.

Don't care, so do I. Turn their own 'logic' against them, hold their own 'standards' against them, and they become quite pliable.

[slats]

15 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

im guessing Cimini is right and it will end up being a 2nd this year and a 4th next with triggers

where i think it will be dissappointing to Jets fans is how much GB will "transfer" to Jets cap.

Douglas has all the leverage. I strongly suspect he’s the one holding up the deal, and he’ll hold any picks this year hostage unless or until Green Bay eats enough cap and offers a retirement after one year consolation pick in 2025. I have no worries about it getting done, and I look forward to seeing the details. 

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Douglas has all the leverage. I strongly suspect he’s the one holding up the deal, and he’ll hold any picks this year hostage unless or until Green Bay eats enough cap and offers a retirement after one year consolation pick in 2025. I have no worries about it getting done, and I look forward to seeing the details. 

I would be shocked if it didnt happen - now the NFL wants this as well sooooo

[neckdemon]

50 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

They don’t have many, if any, option… do they. It’s only the Jets as a trade option.

and rodgers is basically our only viable option at QB. green bay has their quarterback that they like. they could always just let rodgers retire. would be stupid to **** a deal for rodgers up because you are trying to get cute with a draft day trade down 

[32EBoozer]

2 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

and rodgers is basically our only viable option at QB. green bay has their quarterback that they like. they could always just let rodgers retire. would be stupid to **** a deal for rodgers up because you are trying to get cute with a draft day trade down 

JD appears to stick with the value he places on a player and remember that Rodgers is probably aware of everything going on & most likely wants to exert as much pain on GB FO as possible. Doubtful he accepts a trade to another team. That’s most likely Checkmate for team JD/Rodgers IMO

[neckdemon]

3 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

JD appears to stick with the value he places on a player and remember that Rodgers is probably aware of everything going on & most likely wants to exert as much pain on GB FO as possible. Doubtful he accepts a trade to another team. That’s most likely Checkmate for team JD/Rodgers IMO

i'd bet we give green bay one of our 2 2nd round picks this year and that it happens before the draft. most likely the higher of the 2. if the reports are to be believed the sticking point right now is negotiating a return pick in 2025 if rodgers doesn't play in 2024. i think it will all be ironed out by the draft this year. i think its in both teams' best interest to have it settled by draft day

[playtowinthegame]

How about no draft picks in 2023 for the Packers, because there's no need to do this trade before or during the draft. Jets have all the leverage when it comes to what they give the Packers for their soon to be 40 year old quarterback they chose to move on from. 

Go F**k Yourself, Green Bay. 

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, SickJetFan said:

im guessing Cimini is right and it will end up being a 2nd this year and a 4th next with triggers

where i think it will be dissappointing to Jets fans is how much GB will "transfer" to Jets cap.

If we are giving a fricking 2nd there does not need to be any "triggers" The whole trade is idiotic but the Jets want to to condense the next 6 years to one single way. Let's not make it even worse but WAY too much compensation

[Jet Blast]

1 hour ago, derp said:

I think the price kind of goes down by default if they wait until after the draft to complete the trade because the future picks are less valuable than the current picks. It's also easier for Douglas to protect himself with conditions for future picks. And then the price continues to go down as the possibility of Green Bay needing to hang on to Rodgers for this season becomes more realistic. Risk is of course another team getting involved, but if he doesn't want to cave I think it's just a matter of waiting. Leave the best offer you're comfortable with involving 2023 picks on the table and see if they get antsy and bite as the draft gets closer. 

Trade down would be great too though. It'd be pretty wild if something got done during the draft if the Jets trade down mid draft.

You are correct. That is exactly why I believe the trade will be finalized just before the draft. 

[Sammybighead]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

They don’t have many, if any, option… do they. It’s only the Jets as a trade option.

Doesn't mean we can be idiots

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Jet Blast said:

You are correct. That is exactly why I believe the trade will be finalized just before the draft. 

GB needs the picks now and next year, not in 2024 and 2025.  And for douglas, not giving up any picks this year is ideal now that he has a first and 2 2nds.  So douglas is just waiting it out and this could get done the week of the draft.  

[SickJetFan]

14 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

If we are giving a fricking 2nd there does not need to be any "triggers" The whole trade is idiotic but the Jets want to to condense the next 6 years to one single way. Let's not make it even worse but WAY too much compensation

well I forgot to mention GB gets Sauce as well

[slats]

1 hour ago, neckdemon said:

and rodgers is basically our only viable option at QB. green bay has their quarterback that they like. they could always just let rodgers retire. would be stupid to **** a deal for rodgers up because you are trying to get cute with a draft day trade down 

The problem is that if he doesn’t retire, and he’s not traded, then about $60M hits their salary right before the season starts. And Rodgers isn’t retiring. They can pretend that they’re not ****ed, but they’re ****ed. 

[Larz]

I think it’s entirely reasonable to think that the packers strategy is that woody Will eventually tell JD to give them what they want. So far so good. The next two weeks are the danger zone for woody lol. Once we get to draft week I think he’ll be able to keep it together 

[Embrace the Suck]

2 hours ago, neckdemon said:

and rodgers is basically our only viable option at QB. green bay has their quarterback that they like. they could always just let rodgers retire. would be stupid to **** a deal for rodgers up because you are trying to get cute with a draft day trade down 

No, he's not. The Jets have other options at QB while not as attractive. The Jets can go in a different direction. GB still has AR's contract to contend with. They could indeed let him retire, and get nothing. Of course you'd be presuming he doesn't show up to GB's camp to spite them for their behavior, and not letting him move on particularly as they want him to in fact move on. 

[Embrace the Suck]

3 minutes ago, Larz said:

I think it’s entirely reasonable to think that the packers strategy is that woody Will eventually tell JD to give them what they want. So far so good. The next two weeks are the danger zone for woody lol. Once we get to draft week I think he’ll be able to keep it together 

[neckdemon]

27 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

No, he's not. The Jets have other options at QB while not as attractive. The Jets can go in a different direction. GB still has AR's contract to contend with. They could indeed let him retire, and get nothing. Of course you'd be presuming he doesn't show up to GB's camp to spite them for their behavior, and not letting him move on particularly as they want him to in fact move on. 

Any other option likely gets Douglas and Saleh fired. Woody wants rodgers and he wants to win. They can not walk away without him after eschewing basically any other really viable option. It's rodgers or bust for this team at this point

[jetsons]

5 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

If GB wants a 2nd, I can see JD agreeing to a general commitment of a 2nd but not locking into a specific pick. This provides him the flexibility of moving down in the draft to collect a pick for GB. I don’t think 42 or 43 straight up are on the table in JD’s eyes. 

Possible trade candidates: 

Chargers: 21+54 —-> Jets 13  (Lower 1st but add 2nd (GB). Jets keep 42 & 43

Seattle: 20+52 —-> Jets 13 & 112 (Lower 1st + add 2nd (GB) but lose 4th)

Eagles: 62+94 —-> Jets 43+143  (Lower 2nd (GB) + add 3rd but lose 5th)

 

Philadelphia is the most probable considering relationships. Only have a few needs with so much talent. Trade of players?

Seattle hates JD( see JA trade?)

Chargers have too many needs.

Thoughts? Swap of #13 —-> #15 also possibility
 

ZERO 2023 Draft Picks... A conditional 2024 3rd "OR" 4th rd pick... NO More. 

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, neckdemon said:

if the reports are to be believed the sticking point right now is negotiating a return pick in 2025 if rodgers doesn't play in 2024.

What reports? That @LuvDuvkin guy? There has been nothing leaked, and only a bunch of talking heads using other talking heads quotes to create a narrative. Honestly, it reminds me of a scaled down “Russia-gate”. 
 

Like @slats said, “I look forward to seeing the details” A few weeks later reports of how the negotiations went down should leak out

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, slats said:

The problem is that if he doesn’t retire, and he’s not traded, then about $60M hits their salary right before the season starts. And Rodgers isn’t retiring. They can pretend that they’re not ****ed, but they’re ****ed. 

that’s always been the trade off. Just how much is removing this financial burden worth to the packers? It’s not good if the jets have to pick it up but they shouldn’t doubly hamstring the next two seasons by giving up too many draft picks and take on the who contract. This will get resolved. I don’t Green Bay can go past this draft with Rodgers still on the books.

[neckdemon]

1 hour ago, jetsons said:

ZERO 2023 Draft Picks... A conditional 2024 3rd "OR" 4th rd pick... NO More. 

that's never happening. fair deals always sting a bit for both sides. 

[neckdemon]

18 minutes ago, rangerous said:

that’s always been the trade off. Just how much is removing this financial burden worth to the packers? It’s not good if the jets have to pick it up but they shouldn’t doubly hamstring the next two seasons by giving up too many draft picks and take on the who contract. This will get resolved. I don’t Green Bay can go past this draft with Rodgers still on the books.

i am interested in seeing the final compensation like we all are. i'm just of the opinion that it's would be better to get it done before the draft and if it costs a second this year and a conditional 3rd or whatever next year then so be it. it's a potential to have elite qb play for the next 2 years (yes i do believe that rodgers would be looking to play 2 years unless something catastrophic happens this year, like missing the play-offs entirely and the team being total ass)

[JohnnyLV]

4 hours ago, SickJetFan said:

well I forgot to mention GB gets Sauce as well

Hahaha...I saw a post that thought 2 1s Sauce and Moore was a fair trade...I responded that Sauce alone was worth WAY more than Rodgers at this point. He is one of the most untradeable players in the NFL. ROTY. Pro Bowl, first team All Pro and quite arguably the best QB in all of football as a rookie.