30 players visiting the Jets

[hmhertz]

I couldn't find the thread but here as additional names as well

as a list of all prospects the Jets have interviewed-

Keaton Mitchell RB East Carolina

 

Zach Evans Miss, RB

Chandler Zavala G  NC ST

Broderick Jones OT Georgia

https://nfltraderumors.co/2023-nfl-draft-visit-tracker/

[C Mart]

 

[BurntDice]

18 minutes ago, C Mart said:

 

Here’s my dude if he falls to the 2nd jets pick 

[PepPep]

O-line, LBs, Safeties, a couple of potential UDFA QBs. Checks out. 

[PepPep]

15 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Here’s my dude if he falls to the 2nd jets pick 

Here's my dude if he falls to the 2nd Jets pick.

 

 

[BurntDice]

53 minutes ago, PepPep said:

Here's my dude if he falls to the 2nd Jets pick.

 

 

There are 4 centers that are about the same that will go in rounds 2-4. IMO JMS isn’t head and shoulders above the rest of the group. Center also isn’t a premium position. You can find solid starters in the 5-10 mil range. 

[Untouchable]

I don’t understand why Schmitz is talked about as the next Mangold while I rarely see mention of a guy like Joe Tippmann around here.

A dude who has a legitimate chance to be there at 42 or 43, comes from THE OL factory of college football, has a wrestling background, and was largely thought to be the best center in the draft prior to the senior bowl.

[bla bla bla]

Jets will have met with JMS 3 times before the draft (senior bowl, combine, and top 30 visit)

I'm fine if he's the pick but I'm a big fan of a few Centers in this class JMS, Tippmann, Wypler, Stromberg, Patterson are the 5 that I've kept a closer eye on. I'm not sure we risk waiting til the 4th round so I believe the pick will be one of JMS, Wypler, or Tippmann.

[BurntDice]

25 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

I don’t understand why Schmitz is talked about as the next Mangold while I rarely see mention of a guy like Joe Tippmann around here.

A dude who has a legitimate chance to be there at 42 or 43, comes from THE OL factory of college football, has a wrestling background, and was largely thought to be the best center in the draft prior to the senior bowl.

People for whatever reason hone in on one guy they hear about the most and think they are far and away the best. If he’s taken I’d be fine with it, but there are a handful of other guys who are just as good at C

[jetsons]

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

Jets will have met with JMS 3 times before the draft (senior bowl, combine, and top 30 visit)

I'm fine if he's the pick but I'm a big fan of a few Centers in this class JMS, Tippmann, Wypler, Stromberg, Patterson are the 5 that I've kept a closer eye on. I'm not sure we risk waiting til the 4th round so I believe the pick will be one of JMS, Wypler, or Tippmann.

Stromberg is my #1 choice for center.

[jetsons]

3 hours ago, BurntDice said:

Here’s my dude if he falls to the 2nd jets pick 

lol

[BurntDice]

13 minutes ago, jetsons said:

lol

Yea who knows when guys will go where. Crazy stuff happens all the time 

[undertow]

draft those 30 beasts

[Fantasy Island]

If Zach is QB 1, I don’t want a center.

[PepPep]

11 hours ago, BurntDice said:

There are 4 centers that are about the same that will go in rounds 2-4. IMO JMS isn’t head and shoulders above the rest of the group. Center also isn’t a premium position. You can find solid starters in the 5-10 mil range. 

I respect your opinion on JMS. I don't think anybody is really arguing that he is head and shoulders better than the next guy behind him- Tippman. 

However, I disagree that JMS, Tippman, Wypler and I dunno, lets say Stromberg or Olu Oluwatimi are in the same 'category' as far as prospects go. Maybe JMS isn't head and shoulders above the next guy in line, but he sure is head and shoulders above Stromberg. And personally, while JMS flew under the radar most of the year as a prospect, I think he IS the top Center in the draft and for good reason. Not only did he absolutely kill it in the Senior Bowl but his tape stands out more so than any other Center prospect. More so than Tippman, more so than Wypler. Maybe because he played against weaker opponents? I dunno. To me he is the top C prospect but as I am not an expert I'd be totally fine with Tippman if JD decided to go in that direction.

In general, the Jets seem to have a ton of interest in JMS.  

As far as Center not being a premium position. True. Its not. But Center has become one of the most important positions on the O-line. You can make an argument that in order of importance its LT, C followed by RT and G. And when you take into account the Jets need for IOL depth (and really a long term starter at C) vs their need at Edge, its not even close. I'm not a supporter of drafting purely for need- especially early in the draft. But you have to take need into account- at least somewhat. While I do believe you can never have enough pass rushers, with Huff, JJ, JFM, Clemons, Lawson, even Anae (who the Jets have kept around because they seem to really like him), drafting BJ Ojulari in Rd. 2 seems like overkill. 

I completely agree that you can find a vet starter in FA. Less so now than when FA first hit. I still think JD will sign a starting caliber vet either before or after the draft and won't go into the season with just a rookie. But I would still prefer to draft a top tier center prospect so we have a long term solution on the O-line.  

[bitonti]

all this talk about drafting centers, I honestly believe the line will be fine with Wes S and Trystan Colon. These aren't bad players at all. Similar to C McG last year 

it would be nice to get a center to develop but that guy might not start right away.

[BurntDice]

2 hours ago, PepPep said:

I respect your opinion on JMS. I don't think anybody is really arguing that he is head and shoulders better than the next guy behind him- Tippman. 

However, I disagree that JMS, Tippman, Wypler and I dunno, lets say Stromberg or Olu Oluwatimi are in the same 'category' as far as prospects go. Maybe JMS isn't head and shoulders above the next guy in line, but he sure is head and shoulders above Stromberg. And personally, while JMS flew under the radar most of the year as a prospect, I think he IS the top Center in the draft and for good reason. Not only did he absolutely kill it in the Senior Bowl but his tape stands out more so than any other Center prospect. More so than Tippman, more so than Wypler. Maybe because he played against weaker opponents? I dunno. To me he is the top C prospect but as I am not an expert I'd be totally fine with Tippman if JD decided to go in that direction.

In general, the Jets seem to have a ton of interest in JMS.  

As far as Center not being a premium position. True. Its not. But Center has become one of the most important positions on the O-line. You can make an argument that in order of importance its LT, C followed by RT and G. And when you take into account the Jets need for IOL depth (and really a long term starter at C) vs their need at Edge, its not even close. I'm not a supporter of drafting purely for need- especially early in the draft. But you have to take need into account- at least somewhat. While I do believe you can never have enough pass rushers, with Huff, JJ, JFM, Clemons, Lawson, even Anae (who the Jets have kept around because they seem to really like him), drafting BJ Ojulari in Rd. 2 seems like overkill. 

I completely agree that you can find a vet starter in FA. Less so now than when FA first hit. I still think JD will sign a starting caliber vet either before or after the draft and won't go into the season with just a rookie. But I would still prefer to draft a top tier center prospect so we have a long term solution on the O-line.  

He’s also older than the rest of the guys which is a massive advantage in college. Look at BYU they have full grown men on the line and usually dominate the weak competition. 
 

Give me Avila or Wypler in the 3rd or 4th. 
 

JMS is 24 and Ojulari is 20. That is a huge difference and career wise gives the nod to BJ. Q came in at 21ish and took a couple years to develop, now we have a stud who will likely be great for the next 5+ years. With JMS if he struggles for a couple years to break free he’ll be on the wrong side of 25 getting closer and closer to retirement age 
 

Lawson is on the last year of his deal. Ojulari needs a year to develop, but he can become a dominant pass rusher. His profile is much different than JJ and Clemons. They are more well rounded types who likely won’t end up being dominant sack artists, where as  Ojulari has that potential and he’s the perfect for a wide zone scheme. 

[jtomm]

14 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

Jets will have met with JMS 3 times before the draft (senior bowl, combine, and top 30 visit)

I'm fine if he's the pick but I'm a big fan of a few Centers in this class JMS, Tippmann, Wypler, Stromberg, Patterson are the 5 that I've kept a closer eye on. I'm not sure we risk waiting til the 4th round so I believe the pick will be one of JMS, Wypler, or Tippmann.

[32EBoozer]

14 hours ago, Untouchable said:

I don’t understand why Schmitz is talked about as the next Mangold while I rarely see mention of a guy like Joe Tippmann around here.

A dude who has a legitimate chance to be there at 42 or 43, comes from THE OL factory of college football, has a wrestling background, and was largely thought to be the best center in the draft prior to the senior bowl.

I don’t understand how the Center from Michigan isn’t in the “ Top Center” discussion. 2022  Rimmington Award winner as Best Center and Outland Trophy Winner as Top OL in the country?

In JN Mock Draft he’s ranked as 7th best.

[PepPep]

27 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

He’s also older than the rest of the guys which is a massive advantage in college. Look at BYU they have full grown men on the line and usually dominate the weak competition. 
 

Give me Avila or Wypler in the 3rd or 4th. 
 

JMS is 24 and Ojulari is 20. That is a huge difference and career wise gives the nod to BJ. Q came in at 21ish and took a couple years to develop, now we have a stud who will likely be great for the next 5+ years. With JMS if he struggles for a couple years to break free he’ll be on the wrong side of 25 getting closer and closer to retirement age 
 

Lawson is on the last year of his deal. Ojulari needs a year to develop, but he can become a dominant pass rusher. His profile is much different than JJ and Clemons. They are more well rounded types who likely won’t end up being dominant sack artists, where as  Ojulari has that potential. 

Sure. Fair enough. 

There is also the flip side of the coin. That a guy like JMS (or any older prospect- but especially at a position like C) will come in and NOT need 'a couple of years to develop'. There's also the fact that a lot of O-linemen play well into their 30's. Our starting LT is 38- just as an example. But especially Centers. There is also an argument that can be made that while Ojulari COULD end up being a dominant pass rusher and probably has that potential, he is also undersized, scheme specific and/or situational and not great against the run. You could argue he is much more of a boom/bust prospect because of that. You don't always 'outgrow' that regardless of how young you are coming into the league.   

I also like Avila and Wypler. I doubt you will get either of them with our 3rd or 4th round pick. I think they will be gone by then. JMHO. 

I like the prospect. I just don't think Ojulari is the best fit. I don't think he fill a major need. And I think he is far from 'safe' to be taking early in Rd. 2. Not that he will go much later than that, he has immense upside. He may go in Rd. 1. But again, this is JMHO.  

[bitonti]

Luke Musgrave is a boringly decent name on that visit list 

I hope they add more at TE, CJ Uzomah isn't really an impact player 

[Bobby816]

29 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Luke Musgrave is a boringly decent name on that visit list 

I hope they add more at TE, CJ Uzomah isn't really an impact player 

Bc he was forced to stay in and block most of last year. With a healthy OL he can be more of a receiving threat now.

[BurntDice]

2 hours ago, PepPep said:

Sure. Fair enough. 

There is also the flip side of the coin. That a guy like JMS (or any older prospect- but especially at a position like C) will come in and NOT need 'a couple of years to develop'. There's also the fact that a lot of O-linemen play well into their 30's. Our starting LT is 38- just as an example. But especially Centers. There is also an argument that can be made that while Ojulari COULD end up being a dominant pass rusher and probably has that potential, he is also undersized, scheme specific and/or situational and not great against the run. You could argue he is much more of a boom/bust prospect because of that. You don't always 'outgrow' that regardless of how young you are coming into the league.   

I also like Avila and Wypler. I doubt you will get either of them with our 3rd or 4th round pick. I think they will be gone by then. JMHO. 

I like the prospect. I just don't think Ojulari is the best fit. I don't think he fill a major need. And I think he is far from 'safe' to be taking early in Rd. 2. Not that he will go much later than that, he has immense upside. He may go in Rd. 1. But again, this is JMHO.  

Ojulari definitely has more risk, but that’s where being in a premium position bumps you up. To get a decent pass rusher you’re paying 15+ mil a year for a vet. The highest paid center in the league is 14.2 mil. Get rid of the top 5 highest paid and everyone else is under 10 (most are in the 6 range). 
 

Compare that to edge and the highest paid is 28 mil. Get rid of the top 5 and you are still in the 20s. That’s over twice what centers are making. 
 

Azeez is his older brother I believe and by all accounts was more raw coming out than BJ and he put up a respectable 6 sacks and 3 FF as a rookie 

[rex-n-effect]

18 hours ago, PepPep said:

Here's my dude if he falls to the 2nd Jets pick.

 

He looks like you asked AI to paint a mix of Darnold and Zach Wilson

[C Mart]

Penn St TE Brenton Strange was on Sirius NFL Radio Movin the Chains this afternoon.  He was in their studio - He had a visit with the NYG and said he would be visiting Jets tomorrow..

He was an impressive interview - has versatility - lining up as the Y, H-Back & FB

[football guy]

Jets had their local pro day past 2 days. Lots of players but not many big names… mostly late round/UDFA types. Guys who have visited or scheduled to visit as Top 30s

1. OL Peter Skoronski (round 1) 
2. OL Paris Johnson Jr. (round 1) 
3. OT Broderick Jones (round 1) 
4. OL Darnell Wright (round 1) 
5. DE BJ Ojulari (round 1-2) 
6. OL Joe Tippmann (round 1-2) 
7. C John Michael Schmitz (round 2)
8. OT Blake Freeland (round 2-3) 
9. C Luke Wypler (round 2-3) 
10. DL Tuli Tuipulotu (round 2-3) 
11. TE Luke Musgrave (round 2-3) 
12. LB Daiyan Henley (round 2-3)
13. RB Zach Evans (round 3-5)
14. RB DeWayne McBride (round 3-5) 
15. OL Chandler Zavala (round 3-5) 
16. RB Keaton Mitchell (round 4-6) 
17. DL Brodric Martin (round 4-6)
18. S Jason Taylor II (round 5-UDFA) 
19. QB Aidan O’Connell (round 5-UDFA) 
20. DL Scott Matlock (round 5-UDFA)

[C Mart]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

Jets had their local pro day past 2 days. Lots of players but not many big names… mostly late round/UDFA types. Guys who have visited or scheduled to visit as Top 30s

1. OL Peter Skoronski (round 1) 
2. OL Paris Johnson Jr. (round 1) 
3. OT Broderick Jones (round 1) 
4. OL Darnell Wright (round 1) 
5. DE BJ Ojulari (round 1-2) 
6. OL Joe Tippmann (round 1-2) 
7. C John Michael Schmitz (round 2)
8. OT Blake Freeland (round 2-3) 
9. C Luke Wypler (round 2-3) 
10. DL Tuli Tuipulotu (round 2-3) 
11. TE Luke Musgrave (round 2-3) 
12. LB Daiyan Henley (round 2-3)
13. RB Zach Evans (round 3-5)
14. RB DeWayne McBride (round 3-5) 
15. OL Chandler Zavala (round 3-5) 
16. RB Keaton Mitchell (round 4-6) 
17. DL Brodric Martin (round 4-6)
18. S Jason Taylor II (round 5-UDFA) 
19. QB Aidan O’Connell (round 5-UDFA) 
20. DL Scott Matlock (round 5-UDFA)

Penn St TE Brenton Strange?  I heard him yesterday say he was visiting the Jets

[T0mShane]

On 4/5/2023 at 6:47 PM, hmhertz said:

I couldn't find the thread but here as additional names as well

as a list of all prospects the Jets have interviewed-

Keaton Mitchell RB East Carolina

 

Zach Evans Miss, RB

Chandler Zavala G  NC ST

Broderick Jones OT Georgia

https://nfltraderumors.co/2023-nfl-draft-visit-tracker/

Zavala is an interesting guy who coupd eventually play center. Small school guy who transferred to NC State, had a good year, then blew up at his pro day. If the Jets sign Ben Jones, Zavala could be a nice developmental/swing IOL for a year

[football guy]

6 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Penn St TE Brenton Strange?  I heard him yesterday say he was visiting the Jets

Believe was a local today as were a few other PSU prospects. So I guess I should rephrase that he was one of the early round prospects being that he’s getting round 2-3 hype now. Andrei Iosivas is a mid-round guy. Everyone else pretty much late round/UDFAs

[32EBoozer]

38 minutes ago, C Mart said:

C John Michael Schmitz (round 2)

@choon328 ?

[choon328]

38 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

@choon328 ?

Oh the draft took place already? I didn't know

[bitonti]

On 4/6/2023 at 3:11 PM, Bobby816 said:

Bc he was forced to stay in and block most of last year. With a healthy OL he can be more of a receiving threat now.

Look at his career numbers it was a typical year for him 

[Bobby816]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Look at his career numbers it was a typical year for him 

His 2021 season was his 1st as option 1 at TE and he had double his stats last year. So that’s not true. Every season previous to that he was TE2

[Lith]

 

[jgb]

Over/under on how many were hoping to use their visit to squeeze more from another team?