Kirk Cousins as a polarizing alternative plan?

[nycdan]

I'm bored with the Rodgers trade/no-trade drama.  I want it to happen at a reasonable cost (one of our 2023 2nd rounders and a Day-2 pick in 2024 roughly) but I keep seeing unsubstantiated rumors that the Vikings are considering moving on from Cousins.  

Anyone who wanted Carr should be as happy or happier with Cousins, who puts up better numbers every year.  No idea what the trade would cost, but if MIN is really looking to move on, he will cost more than Rodgers, but less than Lamar.

My pause is that we have roughly similar talent to the Vikings.  A great WR (Wilson is no Jefferson yet, but hopefully in the zip code), a great RB, and some good defensive talent.  I'm not sure how much of the disappointing loss in the playoffs last year, or the mediocre two seasons before that are on Cousins but when it comes to QB talent, he would immediately become the best guy out there not named Rodgers (and arguably Lamar).  

Some will be interested.  Some will hate it with the fury of a thousand suns.  A few will demend Joe Douglas be fired because this was posted for consideration (sorry, Joe).  But it would certainly be an interesting pivot if the Rodgers deal just doesn't look like it will close.  And not that it matters, but man, would that be a bad look for the Packers GM.

[jeremy2020]

Cousins is the poster boy for if you don't have *that guy* at QB that it's going to be frustrating to try to win a Superbowl even if you have a talented team. 

If the goal is to end the playoff draught then yea, go get him. 

[Warfish]

Pass.  That ship has sailed.  

I like him, but that time was several years ago.  Not now.

[nycdan]

Just now, Warfish said:

Pass.  That ship has sailed.  

I like him, but that time was several years ago.  Not now.

I hear you.  But he hasn't slowed down at all.  His stats last year, on paper, were really good.  And the two years before that.

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2022	Vikings	65.9	4,547	29	14	92.5
2021	Vikings	66.3	4,221	33	7	103.1
2020	Vikings	67.6	4,265	35	13	105.0

[GangGreened]

I don’t necessarily know that he would cost more than Rodgers. Green Bay seems to think he’s worth more than he is off his past/name alone.

In the end I don’t think either brings this team a SB.

 

[slimjasi]

8 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I hear you.  But he hasn't slowed down at all.  His stats last year, on paper, were really good.  And the two years before that.

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2022	Vikings	65.9	4,547	29	14	92.5
2021	Vikings	66.3	4,221	33	7	103.1
2020	Vikings	67.6	4,265	35	13	105.0

All I know is that my Vikings homie wants to cast him into the Ocean

[Larz]

35 years old.  
cap hit 2023 = 20 million 

cap hit 2024 = 28 million but I believe it is voidable. 
 

Has played 16 or more games every year since 2015. 
 

Career 67% completion rate and td/ int ratio 2.5/1

The NFL is in a news vacuum right now and honestly people are just making things up. I can’t imagine the Vikings want to go into this season with Nick Mullens. It’s basically a waste of one or two years of Justin Jefferson’s prime. 

[varjet]

This is a viable and cheaper option if Rodgers does not work out.  

The Jets are still building, but Woody is ready now.  

[slats]

Kirk Cousins is my example for not wanting the similar stat compiling Carr. Luckily, we really don’t need an alternative to Rodgers, though. He’s coming. 

[PepPep]

27 minutes ago, nycdan said:

he will cost more than Rodgers, but less than Lamar

As many will most likely say- depends on the price.

There is a MASSIVE gap between what Rodgers will cost (probably a 2nd rounder and a future day two pick depending on how much money the Jets have to eat and how long he plays, etc.) AND the multiple first rounders (along with an insane new contract) that Lamar will demand in a trade. 

Cousins is no spring chicken. He is 34 and signed through 2023 after which his contract can be voided in 2024. Do the Jets want to extend him past that, once he's 36? I doubt it. 

In that sense. I don't want to give up more for him than I would for Rodgers. But if the cost was really close. Sure, why not. 

Bottom line. The Jets need a QB. Rodgers is coming. If he doesn't and somehow Cousins becomes available for close to what Rodgers was going to cost. Sure, pull the trigger. Whatever elevates us from the Mike Whites and Zach Wilsons of the world starting behind center.   

[slats]

26 minutes ago, varjet said:

The Jets are still building, but Woody is ready now.  

I don’t get these comments. When are the Jets gonna be ready? And for what? What are you waiting to see to say they’re ready? There’s talent on this team. Plenty enough to make a playoff run. If they were healthier, they would’ve made one last year. With Rodgers, the Jets should be a strong contender for the division this season, regardless of Woody’s opinion. 

[jetstream23]

48 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Cousins is the poster boy for if you don't have *that guy* at QB that it's going to be frustrating to try to win a Superbowl even if you have a talented team. 

If the goal is to end the playoff draught then yea, go get him. 

Agreed.  You'd need to have almost the perfect team around Cousins for true Super Bowl contention.  And, for as improved as the Jets young roster is, they're still far away from that, especially with a QB who is simply above average.  That's what Cousins is, an above average QB, not even a Top 8 guy IMO.  Justin Jefferson, TJ Hockenson and Dalvin Cook can hide some things.  Cousins is kind of in the mix with the Geno Smith, Daniel Jones, Derek Carr group.

[slimjasi]

14 minutes ago, slats said:

I don’t get these comments. When are the Jets gonna be ready? And for what? What are you waiting to see to say they’re ready? There’s talent on this team. Plenty enough to make a playoff run. If they were healthier, they would’ve made one last year. With Rodgers, the Jets should be a strong contender for the division this season, regardless of Woody’s opinion. 

I think the overall talent level on the team is debatable, but I do agree they have a good chance to be a playoff team with Rodgers (skeptical about the division). 

But my big confusion is with this narrative that the Jets will stop "building" the minute they acquire Rodgers. It's as if they will instantly lose all of their draft picks and FA money over the next two years the minute the trade is completed. But, somehow, if they acquired Ryan Tannehill, for example, they can continue to "build things the right way." 

[chirorob]

56 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I hear you.  But he hasn't slowed down at all.  His stats last year, on paper, were really good.  And the two years before that.

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2022	Vikings	65.9	4,547	29	14	92.5
2021	Vikings	66.3	4,221	33	7	103.1
2020	Vikings	67.6	4,265	35	13	105.0

Those would be the 3 best seasons by a QB in Jets history. 

[kevinc855]

Why would the Vikings let him go? Makes no sense with their current roster? Who would they pivot to? Cousins will be playing for the Vikings in Sep 2023. 

[jtomm]

1 hour ago, GangGreened said:

** In the end I don’t think either brings this team a SB.

Fixed  **

[slats]

1 hour ago, chirorob said:

Those would be the 3 best seasons by a QB in Jets history. 

Regular season passing stats? Sure. His postseason record over those three years? 0-1. Jets have certainly done a lot better than that. He’ll keep you right at or slightly above the .500 mark, though. That’s not a QB I send much of a package for, especially a QB who’ll be a free agent at the end of the year. 

[Dunnie]

I'll take cousins yesterday

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[Joe W. Namath]

Cousins actually won a diivsion and went to the playoffs last year.  Not too shabby.

But why would MN get rid of him?  They are not in rebuilding mode?

[AceRothstein]

Cousins and Tannehill aren’t options. They likely will be available next off-season. 

[Joe W. Namath]

Just now, AceRothstein said:

Cousins and Tannehill aren’t options. They likely will be available next off-season. 

Oh Tannehill is def an option.  Titans are in re-build mode.

[Bronx]

Just now, Joe W. Namath said:

Oh Tannehill is def an option.  Titans are in re-build mode.

Okay Oscar...

 

 

 

[AceRothstein]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Oh Tannehill is def an option.  Titans are in re-build mode.

No he’s not. Malik Willis can’t play and if the Titans trade up for Richardson they need a veteran to start the season. 

[Flea Flicking Frank]

[Jetsfan80]

No.

 

[nycdan]

I don't know why MIN would trade him now when the division is more available than ever for them.

I believe Cousins is a better Derek Carr.  Better passer.  He certainly made the most of both Diggs and Jefferson there.  

I do not know if he would be able to do more than 'get us to the playoffs' but I think he'd be a lot better than any option we have not named Aaron Rodgers, should that fall through.  I would be much more excited about starting the season with Cousins than Zach, Tannehill, Bridgewater, or Wentz, if those were the only other options.

Basically, we could expect a 4,000 yard, 65% completion rate passer who would throw about 35 TDs and 12 INTs.  Is that really such an awful thing?  Maybe if we get rolled in the 1st playoff game, but it would be nice to get there.

[AFJF]

Cousins might be the guy next season if the Vikes let him hit FA.  His current deal is like 1 season with 4 option years.

[AceRothstein]

1 minute ago, AFJF said:

Cousins might be the guy next season if the Vikes let him hit FA.  His current deal is like 1 season with 4 option years.

I see him as a perfect option for SF if Lance, Purdy, and Darnold flame out. He’d probably take a bargain deal to go play with Shannahan. 

[AFJF]

1 minute ago, AceRothstein said:

I see him as a perfect option for SF if Lance, Purdy, and Darnold flame out. He’d probably take a bargain deal to go play with Shannahan. 

I think SF feels they can keep getting production out of QB's for a cheap price.  Hell, if they can get Darnold to play well this season they might be right.

[AceRothstein]

4 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I think SF feels they can keep getting production out of QB's for a cheap price.  Hell, if they can get Darnold to play well this season they might be right.

Yea but I think Shannahan could probably convince Cousins (who he knows well from Washington) to take less and play for a championship. Kirk has made a ton of money in his career and has put up great stats. If he gets a ring he’s actually in the HOF conversation. 

[JetPotato]

29 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I'll take cousins yesterday

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Move to Bama, maybe you can

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, JetPotato said:

Move to Bama, maybe you can

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[Sarge4Tide]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

@Sarge4Tide

Truth be told, a couple of my cousins are pretty damn hot

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

9 hours ago, chirorob said:

Those would be the 3 best seasons by a QB in Jets history. 

You can’t make this statement without taking into consideration how much the game has changed from era to era since  1960.  

[varjet]

19 hours ago, slats said:

I don’t get these comments. When are the Jets gonna be ready? And for what? What are you waiting to see to say they’re ready? There’s talent on this team. Plenty enough to make a playoff run. If they were healthier, they would’ve made one last year. With Rodgers, the Jets should be a strong contender for the division this season, regardless of Woody’s opinion. 

A better OL for one.  The challenge this year is to build the OL at the same time as buying the QB