"Carton and Roberts" Take on the Possible Rodgers Trade...

[jetswinbaby!]

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

 

 

 

[Tranquilo]

Milk Carton needs to shut the **** up

[T0mShane]

[Trotter]

Key word is believe.

they like 99% of everyone else don’t know squat.

 

[bla bla bla]

Just now, jetswinbaby! said:

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

Did they say Rodgers would accept a trade to another team or that the Packers would keep him? This seems more like scare tactics than any actual insight from either team.

4 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said:

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

It's all about who is on the board. If the Jets don't like the players available then moving the pick becomes less of a concern if it means a lesser pick later. If the Jets like the players on the board than they are likely okay with offering something more in the future.

I stand by my stance, this gets done post-june 1st. Douglas will offer a 2nd to start and then offer the unconditional 1st if the Packers eat $XX amount of that $60m bonus.

The Jets don't really have any reason to do this before the draft unless they feel Rodgers will eventually want to play for another team.

[Bobby816]

Makes complete sense for us to not trade until we see who’s available at this stage. We’ve waited 5 weeks. What’s another week really?

 

Why pick swap if we have a guy we love at 13 there? It’d be idiotic to trade that pick and let either GB it NE draft our guy. So wait and see who’s there at 13 if we want to do a pick swap.
 

Same goes for 42 and 43. We have a guy we like we might want to get him. Might be the same guy GB wants. Here’s an example. We go OT at 13 and GB goes a different direction than WR bc JSN is gone. So they really need a WR but we’d also like one as well. We come up on the clock and 42 and now let’s say Flowers is still available and we like him and so does GB. We then can trade them 43 instead of 42 and we draft Flowers over them. We could just straight up trade then 43 instead of 42. But then they have Ammo to possibly trade up ahead of us with 2 2nds. JD likely what’s to keep those picks as ammo in case he has a guy he loves slip. We’ve seen him to it several times. He’s pretty much only been a trade up guy in the early rounds. 

[undertow]

My mailman Larry thinks it will get done on draft night he has a better track record.

[BornJetsFan1983]

9 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

 

 

 

Oh man they are going to be disappointed when Joe traded them next year condition three for Rogers.

I don't see Joe giving up 1 or a 2

[Warfish]

10 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

I'm not worried.  I don't control what happens.  What will be will be.

If the trade doesn't happen, surely JD will pivot to another QB of some kind (trade or draft) to bring aboard, and it'll be what it'll be.

Rodgers here isn't such a sure-thing success, especially at his cost and those listed demands, that I'm going to cry if it ultimately falls though.

But it will be a sign JD failed this offseason (again) to address the QB position, a trend his career in NY may not survive.

[Larz]

So he’s not going to the 49ers ?

huh 

[TommyT]

Please, no more Craig Carton threads.

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

 

 

 

If Day 2 comes and goes without a trade, Green Bay should worry.  They will then know that they won't be getting #13, or either of our 2nds.  It also means that they won't be getting anybody else's 1st, 2nd or 3rd.  Where will they be then?  The whole idea is preposterous.

We will have used a 1st and two 2nds.  Green Bay will have a QB they don't want and can't afford and no hope of anything better than a 4th or something in 2024 and we're the ones that have to worry?  What are they going to do?  Flip him for DeAndre Hopkins? 

[kevinc855]

9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I'm not worried.  I don't control what happens.  What will be will be.

If the trade doesn't happen, surely JD will pivot to another QB of some kind (trade or draft) to bring aboard, and it'll be what it'll be.

Rodgers here isn't such a sure-thing success, especially at his cost and those listed demands, that I'm going to cry if it ultimately falls though.

But it will be a sign JD failed this offseason (again) to address the QB position, a trend his career in NY may not survive.

JD, drunk or not, literally told a crowd of Jet fans "he will be here" 

Man it take balls for him not to land him now. Or incompetence.

[Larz]

4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

If Day 2 comes and goes without a trade, Green Bay should worry.  They will then know that they won't be getting #13, or either of our 2nds.  It also means that they won't be getting anybody else's 1st, 2nd or 3rd.  Where will they be then?  The whole idea is preposterous.

Jets bluff to GB, “ I guess you’ll trade him in September or your cap is screwed lol”

GB bluff to Jets “ Zach Wilson taking the #1 reps in camp sounds like fun , let me know what woody thinks of his first bounce pass lol”

[CanadienJetsFan]

Hook, line and sinker.

[Beerfish]

11 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I'm not worried.  I don't control what happens.  What will be will be.

If the trade doesn't happen, surely JD will pivot to another QB of some kind (trade or draft) to bring aboard, and it'll be what it'll be.

Rodgers here isn't such a sure-thing success, especially at his cost and those listed demands, that I'm going to cry if it ultimately falls though.

But it will be a sign JD failed this offseason (again) to address the QB position, a trend his career in NY may not survive.

Not getting Rodgers would be  fireable offense.  Not the single act of not getting the player but the way the org handled the whole process of 'getting a good vet qb we can win with'

In any case it will get done, both sides have too much to lose.   The jets will pay more than they should for Rodgers and at some point it will get done, probably before the draft.

Suddenly all the people that said the packers have no leverage and the jets outta get him for a 3rd rounder for taking the contract will be extolling the genius of Douglas  for only paying a 2nd and conditional 1st for him for taking on that heinous contract.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

I'm a huge JD fan but if they don't end up with Rodgers, oh man. I am DYING to see how they handle that lol. The press conferences will be epic, the responses, the plan afterward. What chaos. 

 

But like...I hope not. 

[Sammybighead]

26 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

 

 

 

First off, these guys don't know sh*t. Bit to address some points:

1. A trade, from GB perspective, must happen. Yes, they can pray other team gets involved but then they have to convince AR to go there. Hard to do when he's not answering your calls.

2. Yes GB could refuse to trade him, and in an ideal scenario, he retires before they pay that huge bonus. Downside here is they then get 0 draft comp from anyone.

3. It would be advantageous for both teams to wait until the jets are on the clock at #13 to mask their draft intentions from all other rivals until the last possible second. This would make it more difficult for other teams to maneuver if they have no idea where you're picking, much less who you're picking.

4. As stated in the Rodgers thread, it's possible one or both teams want to see who's available before swapping picks. If there is someone GB loves at 13, they may be willing to just do a 13/15 pick swap and take less future comp.

[LockeJET]

35 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said:

 

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

 

 

 

Because obviously the Jets don’t agree to those parameters. We aren’t giving up 13 and we aren’t giving up both seconds in this year‘s draft.

[Tranquilo]

3 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

First off, these guys don't know sh*t. Bit to address some points:

1. A trade, from GB perspective, must happen. Yes, they can pray other team gets involved but then they have to convince AR to go there. Hard to do when he's not answering your calls.

2. Yes GB could refuse to trade him, and in an ideal scenario, he retires before they pay that huge bonus. Downside here is they then get 0 draft comp from anyone.

3. It would be advantageous for both teams to wait until the jets are on the clock at #13 to mask their draft intentions from all other rivals until the last possible second. This would make it more difficult for other teams to maneuver if they have no idea where you're picking, much less who you're picking.

4. As stated in the Rodgers thread, it's possible one or both teams want to see who's available before swapping picks. If there is someone GB loves at 13, they may be willing to just do a 13/15 pick swap and take less future comp.

To add an extra layer to this, guess which team is sandwiched inbetween the Jets and Packers

This is a win win for both teams to wait

[joewilly12]

I can’t wait until this is over. This is worse than my divorce. 

[Hal N of Provo]

It’s a done deal.  
 

Jets GB and AR all need it to happen.

The drama of waiting is good for the NFL and a QB who does not want to attend OTAs.  Maybe even June 2nd if GB wants to spread the cap hit.   
 

But it’s a done deal.  

[peebag]

12 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

First off, these guys don't know sh*t. Bit to address some points:

1. A trade, from GB perspective, must happen. Yes, they can pray other team gets involved but then they have to convince AR to go there. Hard to do when he's not answering your calls.

2. Yes GB could refuse to trade him, and in an ideal scenario, he retires before they pay that huge bonus. Downside here is they then get 0 draft comp from anyone.

3. It would be advantageous for both teams to wait until the jets are on the clock at #13 to mask their draft intentions from all other rivals until the last possible second. This would make it more difficult for other teams to maneuver if they have no idea where you're picking, much less who you're picking.

4. As stated in the Rodgers thread, it's possible one or both teams want to see who's available before swapping picks. If there is someone GB loves at 13, they may be willing to just do a 13/15 pick swap and take less future comp.

GB is not getting a #1 pick for AR at least not from the Jets.

[KRL]

Sad how people still buy into media driven narratives which are planted for "social media

engagement"

[Larz]

16 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

I'm a huge JD fan but if they don't end up with Rodgers, oh man. I am DYING to see how they handle that lol. The press conferences will be epic, the responses, the plan afterward. What chaos. 

 

But like...I hope not. 

Guys like Albert breer are definitely taking detailed notes for a behind the scenes story of how this is going down whatever happens. 

[undertow]

17 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Not getting Rodgers would be  fireable offense.  Not the single act of not getting the player but the way the org handled the whole process of 'getting a good vet qb we can win with'

In any case it will get done, both sides have too much to lose.   The jets will pay more than they should for Rodgers and at some point it will get done, probably before the draft.

Suddenly all the people that said the packers have no leverage and the jets outta get him for a 3rd rounder for taking the contract will be extolling the genius of Douglas  for only paying a 2nd and conditional 1st for him for taking on that heinous contract.

You are setting things up so you can complain and say we overpaid....the Packers and the media wanted two firsts including the 13th Rodgers value has always been a second this year and a conditional pick next year that has always been fair value and what non biased people predicted will be the compensation. 

[ganggreen305]

This is never ending.

[Beerfish]

Just now, undertow said:

You are setting things up so you can complain and say we overpaid....the Packers and the media wanted two firsts including the 13th Rodgers value has always been a second this year and a conditional pick next year that has always been fair value and what non biased people predicted will be the compensation. 

Well you just proved my point by saying this, that this was the fair comp all along.   Look at the narratives put forth by many on this forum.  The argument that the packers have no leverage at all would be totally blown out of the water if that was the compensation. 

[undertow]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Well you just proved my point by saying this, that this was the fair comp all along.   Look at the narratives put forth by many on this forum.  The argument that the packers have no leverage at all would be totally blown out of the water if that was the compensation. 

Could be wrong but I think they were talking about no leverage as far as getting the 13th pick.  

[Jet2020]

If day 2 comes and goes, it’s the Packers that need to worry. They NEED to get rid of Aaron and his nasty cap. They can’t afford him. I don’t think this drama goes beyond draft day 2. And Packs are not getting 2 twos this year. That’s equivalent of a first. AR doesn’t have that value. 

[Warfish]

31 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Not getting Rodgers would be  fireable offense.  Not the single act of not getting the player but the way the org handled the whole process of 'getting a good vet qb we can win with'

It may in fact be, but it wouldn't happen before the 2023 season. 

It would factor in, along with the 2023 results, into Woody's decision on JD before he goes into his lame-duck season of 2024.

31 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

In any case it will get done, both sides have too much to lose.   The jets will pay more than they should for Rodgers and at some point it will get done, probably before the draft.

I'm sure you're right, another reason not to worry on that point.

31 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Suddenly all the people that said the packers have no leverage and the jets outta get him for a 3rd rounder for taking the contract will be extolling the genius of Douglas  for only paying a 2nd and conditional 1st for him for taking on that heinous contract.

Same old same old.  Folks here flip-flop more than a landed largemouth bass on a summer day.

[KRL]

There are only three people in this "ordeal" that have a clue:

- Rodgers

- Pat McAfee

- Trey Wingo

Everyone else in the media is making stuff up

 

[Irish Jet]

There is a sick masochistic side to me that would be so amused by the Jets trotting out Zach Wilson on week one. 

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

I think the hold up is about money.  Each team want the other to absorb more cost and cap hit regarding Rodgers' restructure.  Perhaps there are still some issues over the 2024 draft pick compensation due to the chance Rodgers retires, but I think the real issue here is about $30 million or more.  Which team has to swallow it? 

[Barry McCockinner]

1 hour ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Craig and Evan believe that Green Bay really wants draft capital in this year's draft...

The Packers' top demand is for the Jets' #13 pick, which is the first day of the Draft...

The Packers' alternative demand is for the Jets' 2 second round picks on Day #2...

They both believe that if Day 2 comes and goes with no Rodgers trade, Jet fans should worry, the trade is probably not happening...

But what I don't understand is why wait until Draft Day?...

Why not just make the trade today, if the Jets and Packers already know the parameters?...

 

 

 

the packers will be lucky to get one of our 2nds in this draft. Getting 13 without trading back 15 is ridiculous, as is both the 2nds (equal to 17 overall in value). I trust JD wouldn't be this foolish.