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I give it  D and it reminds me of joes first draft 

his first pick was brutal- nobody here was hoping for Joes pick (only after the fact trying to hype him up ) - you don’t use a first on a part time player at best

JSN should have been the pick without question 

 

 

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1 minute ago, AFJF said:

It's not a matter of not being able to handle them.  It's a matter of trying to figure out what goes on in the mind of a grown up who feels the need to use them.  It's seriously weird.  Which is why I noticed it because when we interacted in the past you came across as a funny but also normal person.

This thing with using a childish little feature to combat people for not wanting Lamar Jackson was what I would have expected if I were discussing this with a 12-year-old.

Seriously.  Think about how old you are for a minute and the way you're responding to people not agreeing with you.  You can't honestly think it's a normal thing.

Using a functionality on the board that 95% of the board utilizes and is around my age and/or older, is not normal?  Interesting.  You're calling a lot of people on this board teenagers who are "not normal" if thats your stance.  Not very nice and pretty insulting to a lot of posters.  I mean, you're actually insulting Phil for giving us those options, which is quite rude and disrespectful considering the platform he gives you here.   And you know, it's weird.  I've never seen you cry and whine about me agreeing and upvoting your posts.  I guess you view that behavior as mature?  Maybe more like an 18 year old than a 12 year old?  

 

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11 minutes ago, kmnj said:

I give it  D and it reminds me of joes first draft 

his first pick was brutal- nobody here was hoping for Joes pick (only after the fact trying to hype him up ) - you don’t use a first on a part time player at best

JSN should have been the pick without question 

 

 

Yet many here wanted the 1st used on a OT that would be a full time backup for this season. And JSN is way over rated based on off how well GW did last season. 

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13 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I included it.  Then I took it out.  Then I added it back in. 

Why?

Because I 100% guarantee you that if I hadn't, some other a$$hole would have said "Oh, you conveniently left out the grade you gave them?  What, don't stand by it anymore"?

So had to choose between the guy who asks why I'm not standing by my grade vs the guy who would inevitably say "oh my god you ego maniac, did you really put YOUR grade in there too"?

I chose the latter.

Very normal to be this sensitive. 

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2 hours ago, AFJF said:

Multiple outlets and their grades of the Jets draft.

 

PFF: A+

Mel Kiper: B

Chad Reuter: B

Sports Illustrated: B-

WaPo: B-

JetNation: C

NY Post: C

SNY: C-

Sporting News: F

I think this is a spot on representation. C+ to B was kinda where I found myself landing. 

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3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

I give the draft a C.  It cant be any higher when you botch the 1st round pick as bad as Joe did.

If he drafted JSN at 15, its an A.

Missing out on a questionable durability slot guy that lacks physicality at the point of catch radius changes the course of an entire draft from average to exceptional? Wow.

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

I would just like to point out, that there are roughly 60 different type of emoji responses in this very thread, roughly 30 different posters.  None of your are normal.  And clearly 12 year old.  Grow up, children.   

- AFJF 

See, now you're misrepresenting what I said which tells me you can see I'm right but choose to deflect instead of admitting it.

Show me one person in this thread who is responding to every single thing somebody else says with the same silly emoji because they are being disagreed with.  Then show me that they've carried on doing it for days on end after changing their avatar and screen name to advertise their obsession with whatever that topic may be and then we'll have an apples to apples comparison.

Just try to read the words and respond honestly instead of being so sensitive that you deflect and misrepresent.

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Probably a C imo.

I liked the Tippman pick.

Later round picks were okay for what the jets wanted to do.  Abunkanda seems like a good pick.

At least one of the trade downs was terrible value for a trade.

The McDonald pick was an awful awful pick. and since it is the 1st one it really shapes the draft.

It will take exactly one year to be looking at a half dozen guys drafted after him and say 'How the hell did we pass on these guys for a passing downs situational rusher?!?'  For a player or two there will be years of regret.

The other big negative I attached to the draft is getting destroyed in the Aaron Rodgers trade by Green Bay.  Giving in by swapping the 1st picks really hurt and after doing that there should have been no way gave them the higher 2nd rounder.

The Elijah Moore deal also had a hand in things as it was bad value as well.

The Jets are a much better team today than they were a few months ago due to having Rodgers, but they could have been even better.

 

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5 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I think this is a spot on representation. C+ to B was kinda where I found myself landing. 

Was talking to somebody last night and I said C+ but then I thought, (and I hope I'm wrong) that having McGovern as the starter is a very real possibility.

If that happens, your top 3 guys may not see much of the field in a year that I thought the goal was super bowl after adding Rodgers.

Started out our pod last night by admitting that I was wrong and I'm not afraid to say it.  I thought this would be all about finding immediate high volume contributors.  Not the case.

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4 minutes ago, AFJF said:

See, now you're misrepresenting what I said which tells me you can see I'm right but choose to deflect instead of admitting it.

Show me one person in this thread who is responding to every single thing somebody else says with the same silly emoji because they are being disagreed with.  Then show me that they've carried on doing it for days on end after changing their avatar and screen name to advertise their obsession with whatever that topic may be and then we'll have an apples to apples comparison.

Just try to read the words and respond honestly instead of being so sensitive that you deflect and misrepresent.

Wow dude, this stuff isnt that serious.  Do you have other hobbies? 

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Sporting News must have given some extra credit bonus after the draft to move it to a D.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-grades-2023-best-worst-classes/renlvvjn6ynaltohxjoz37yv

32. New York Jets

  • Grade: D

Draft picks: EDGE Will McDonald IV, G/C Joe Tippmann, OT Carter Warren, RB Israel Abanikanda, LB Zaire Barnes, CB Jerrick Bernard-Converse, TE Zach Kuntz

Analysis: The Jets crushed the 2022 NFL Draft with GM Joe Douglas and coach Robert Saleh, topped by Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall. They were bound to struggle a bit with limited draft capital after the Aaron Rodgers trade. McDonald was a strange pass-rush depth reach in Round 1. Tippmann was their best pick, but he could be a reserve at first. Warren doesn't give them a needed starting option at offensive tackle.

Abanikanda was solid but not necessary. Barnes and Bernard-Converse were total wild cards. Kuntz was a bit superfluous late, too. There also was nary a wide receiver. They will need to hope they are ready to win big now with Rodgers mostly with what they already had.

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I would give the draft a B - B+. The only disputable pick IMO is McDonald… but the more you watch and read about this guy, the more you have to like him. I think he’s going to be a really effective pass rusher when it’s all said and done. The Jets were a great pass rushing team in 2022 but had issues closing - McDonald is a closer. It seems like a luxury pick now but that tune will change when it comes time to play Burrow and Mahomes in the playoffs like everybody thinks. The blueprint to beat them is clear.

Tippman is an A+ pick.

All in all it’s hard to replicate the excitement of last year and when you head into a draft with little to no dire needs on the roster, you’re probably not going to come away with 4 immediate starters…

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10 minutes ago, JiF said:

Very normal to be this sensitive. 

Incorrect (yet again).

If I were sensitive, I wouldn't post anything about it because there is no right answer.  No matter what I was going to say, I was going to hear about it from one side or the other.

Because I don't care about hearing about it, I posted it anyway.

How do you not understand something that simple?
 

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2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen no huddle said:

You don't pass the next Kelce for a situational pass rusher.... 

Not only did you pass on Kelce, Douglas's hubris led to buffalo getting the next Kelce....

Josh Allen is high fiving Beane 

Yeah, it was hubris that led to the next Kelce being available at the bottom of the first.  Too bad the rest of the NFL didn’t recognize what Beane did

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4 minutes ago, JiF said:

Wow dude, this stuff isnt that serious.  Do you have other hobbies? 

This I can understand.  Changing the subject definitely the way to go for you at this point.  I'll come with you.

 

Sure do, bud.  I do a fair bit of reading and traveling.  Finished up a book recently called Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.  The author is a douche but the data is interesting.  Also gives some very cool info on the early days of the Beatles and how they were such a strong stage presence at an early age.  And if you like hockey, there's a stat in there that will blow your mind.

Traveling has been kina' light lately because it's not easy getting around with a family of four, but when you plan your next trip to Europe, I'd recommend Brugge, Belgium.  One of my favorite cities and the world and grossly underrated.  For a less populated version of Brugge I would recommend Ghent.  A little tougher to get around if you only speak English though.

Take care, buddy.

 

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13 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Probably a C imo.

I liked the Tippman pick.

Later round picks were okay for what the jets wanted to do.  Abunkanda seems like a good pick.

At least one of the trade downs was terrible value for a trade.

The McDonald pick was an awful awful pick. and since it is the 1st one it really shapes the draft.

It will take exactly one year to be looking at a half dozen guys drafted after him and say 'How the hell did we pass on these guys for a passing downs situational rusher?!?'  For a player or two there will be years of regret.

The other big negative I attached to the draft is getting destroyed in the Aaron Rodgers trade by Green Bay.  Giving in by swapping the 1st picks really hurt and after doing that there should have been no way gave them the higher 2nd rounder.

The Elijah Moore deal also had a hand in things as it was bad value as well.

The Jets are a much better team today than they were a few months ago due to having Rodgers, but they could have been even better.

 

Or McDonald could put up 10 sacks this year and the world will be asking how he lasted until 15. 

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

So we’re reading that with a talented young roster it’s harder to draft starters?  Really?  Shocked.

Teams should definitely avoid doing anything they find to be hard.  Who wants to run around doing all that extra work?

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1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Teams should definitely avoid doing anything they find to be hard.  Who wants to run around doing all that extra work?

You can scout as hard as you want, if there aren’t full time open roster spots available or as many holes on your roster you’re drafting players who aren’t going to be forced fed into their position.  That’s the way it is and isn’t an indication that the draft deserves a poor grade.  Using JDs great draft of a year ago against him this year is also odd

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38 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

I give the draft a C.  It cant be any higher when you botch the 1st round pick as bad as Joe did.

If he drafted JSN at 15, its an A.

You just may be the most negative and worst Jets fan on this board. Meeting you in person would probably have me reflecting on my choices in life.

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

Or McDonald could put up 10 sacks this year and the world will be asking how he lasted until 15. 

Yes a possibility.  I'll be looking forward to it.

The point is that he by all accounts is a pass rush specialist like Huff and will get far less snaps than other players drafted in the 1st round.  The jets are so heavily rotation based that is a factor.  The fact the Jets have huff and jermains johnson and still have lawson and have clemons means that even if mcdonald gets more snaps the guys you signed or drafted last year or signed for big bucks will get less snaps.  This was a luxury pick not a need pick.

The other factor is that this draft class was loaded with fast off the edge pass rush specialists.  In round 4 and 5 about 4 or 5 guys built for that roll went off the board.

We shall see, if he walks onto the team and is a 10 sack guy year one and years going forward then it looks good.

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6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You can scout as hard as you want, if there aren’t full time open roster spots available or as many holes on your roster you’re drafting players who aren’t going to be forced fed into their position.  That’s the way it is and isn’t an indication that the draft gets a poor review.  Using JDs great draft of a year ago against him this year is also odd

Did I say anything about last year's draft? I don't recall doing that.

And I did admit I was wrong.  I expected them to try to win this year.  Clearly that's not the goal and a fair number of folks are on board with that.  To each his own.

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Just now, ChewyandtheJets said:

With great regret I must inform this board that the A+ awarded to us by PFF actually belonged to our cross town friend the NY Giants.   Our actual grade was a B-.  

So what do we do now?  Agree that PFF is right most of the time but can sometimes be off by a little bit?

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