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4 hours ago, Kelly to Allen no huddle said:

You don't pass the next Kelce for a situational pass rusher.... 

Not only did you pass on Kelce, Douglas's hubris led to buffalo getting the next Kelce....

Josh Allen is high fiving Beane 

Look. If you want to come here as a Bills fans and talk about the Jets, fine. But if you are coming here to troll, please leave.  If you are coming here to talk about the Bills because you got kicked off a Bills board for being a political jerk during the pandemic, please leave. Nobody here can give a rat's ass about the Bills and what is going on in their building.  And discussing politics here gets threads locked and people banned.  Enough with the Kincaid crap.  There was no way the Jets were drafting him with two veteran starting tight ends on the roster who were free agents a year ago and after drafting Ruckert a year ago as well.  And drafting tight ends in the first round has been shown to be a terrible investment over the past 20 years.  So as for Kincaid and the Bills reaction to getting him

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1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said:

But here's the thing: Doing everything you can to help Rodgers does not necessarily mean reaching at 15 for another OT, or a WR from this class.  

Helping Rodgers might indeed be adding to a pass-rush to make it dominant, meaning the defense gets off the field more and putting the ball in Rodgers hand, which is what we want.

How many times over the past decade have we seen long sustained drives by opposing offences because the pass rush can't get there on 3rd and 8?  If this guy can help change that, he will be helping our offense by getting them on the field more. 

Look, I know people throw around this premise a lot.   Ultimately having a better defense of course helps your team win and that's why they play the games.  But it's a stretch to say it helps your QB...

With that said, if the Jets didn't already have a pash rush specialist that leads the league in pressure rate - but can only play 20% of the snaps - because he can't play the run - I might be inclined to agree with you.  But they do and this McD is unlikely to top the best pressure rate in the NFL

Ultimately though, this off-season should have been about ramping up the offensive pieces around 40 year old Rogers.  Offense is why teams win Super Bowls in todays NFL.

Rodgers just left his team partly because the team refused to help him early in the draft while reaching for unnecessary defensive players (or QB's).  

You brought Rodgers in, with a one-sided trade and took on $110mm in salary - it's absolutely mind boggling to not have done more in FA and drafting a role playing, sub package edge rusher in the first round.

I just don't see the logic in it at all.

 

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4 hours ago, Larz said:

All you can judge a draft on the day after the draft is strategery and approach. 
 

Anyone getting caught up in value or “steals” based on rankings and opinions has never looked at a draft 3 years down the line. 
 

my favorite pick is Tippmann.  If I knew he was a pulling center that gave up 1 sack in 500 pass sets I would have been banging the table for him. I get the McDonald pick. 
 

JD tried to improve pass rush and pass protection.  Tried to get a home run hitting back and some special teams players. 
 

the idea was a good one. Who knows what any of these guys will do. 

Exactly right.

nothing real sexy in there, fine with this draft. Most excited about Tippmann.

We got one starter in Tippmann, a boom or bust first rounder and lot of backups/special teamers. So today that would be a C grade from me.

But I’m also the guy who got down on my knees and thanked God for giving us Sam Darnold so it’s all meaningless at this point

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3 hours ago, AFJF said:

It's not a matter of not being able to handle them.  It's a matter of trying to figure out what goes on in the mind of a grown up who feels the need to use them.  It's seriously weird.  Which is why I noticed it because when we interacted in the past you came across as a funny but also normal person.

This thing with using a childish little feature to combat people for not wanting Lamar Jackson was what I would have expected if I were discussing this with a 12-year-old.

Seriously.  Think about how old you are for a minute and the way you're responding to people not agreeing with you.  You can't honestly think it's a normal thing.

Man you are really upset about this downvoting thing.  I get weirdly furious when people misuse “literally” so I appreciate the angst over unimportant things.

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1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said:

 

How many times over the past decade have we seen long sustained drives by opposing offences because the pass rush can't get there on 3rd and 8?  If this guy can help change that, he will be helping our offense by getting them on the field more. 

Why are you making valid points? 

Don't you want to fit in???

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2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

I’m not getting the argument here.  I made a simple comment, have criticized or propped up any opinion

It was a joke about how opinions on PFF seem to be based largely on what they're saying.

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51 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

 

With that said, if the Jets didn't already have a pash rush specialist that leads the league in pressure rate - but can only play 20% of the snaps - because he can't play the run - I might be inclined to agree with you.  But they do and this McD is unlikely to top the best pressure rate in the NFL

 

 

The key difference, I think, they hope between Bryce Huff and Will McDonald IV is this:  Bryce Huff led the league in pressures.  Will McDonald had a 27.6 percent pressure-to-sack rate vs. a national average of 16.1 percent in that statistic.

BOTTOM LINE:  Bryce Huff ALMOST gets sacks.  Will McDonald GETS sacks.  That might be why they took a shot at this guy.  You put him on a line with Williams, Lawson, and perhaps Huff, people are all going to get sacks.  

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2 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

The key difference, I think, they hope between Bryce Huff and Will McDonald IV is this:  Bryce Huff led the league in pressures.  Will McDonald had a 27.6 percent pressure-to-sack rate vs. a national average of 16.1 percent in that statistic.

BOTTOM LINE:  Bryce Huff ALMOST gets sacks.  Will McDonald GETS sacks.  That might be why they took a shot at this guy.  You put him on a line with Williams, Lawson, and perhaps Huff, people are all going to get sacks.  

Pressure bursts pipes!  They can double-team Q but then McDonald and Huff will get their opportunities.  You can't double everyone.

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4 hours ago, kmnj said:

I give it  D and it reminds me of joes first draft 

his first pick was brutal- nobody here was hoping for Joes pick (only after the fact trying to hype him up ) - you don’t use a first on a part time player at best

JSN should have been the pick without question 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Larz said:

All you can judge a draft on the day after the draft is strategery and approach. 
 

Anyone getting caught up in value or “steals” based on rankings and opinions has never looked at a draft 3 years down the line. 
 

my favorite pick is Tippmann.  If I knew he was a pulling center that gave up 1 sack in 500 pass sets I would have been banging the table for him. I get the McDonald pick. 
 

JD tried to improve pass rush and pass protection.  Tried to get a home run hitting back and some special teams players. 
 

the idea was a good one. Who knows what any of these guys will do. 

I would have rather drafted this guy

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3 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

The key difference, I think, they hope between Bryce Huff and Will McDonald IV is this:  Bryce Huff led the league in pressures.  Will McDonald had a 27.6 percent pressure-to-sack rate vs. a national average of 16.1 percent in that statistic.

BOTTOM LINE:  Bryce Huff ALMOST gets sacks.  Will McDonald GETS sacks.  That might be why they took a shot at this guy.  You put him on a line with Williams, Lawson, and perhaps Huff, people are all going to get sacks.  

My issue is much less with the player himself, he may very well be able to put on some weight and be on the field a lot more. I don't know a lot about him - so the scouts get the benefit of the doubt.

My problem is, under the current Jet circumstances, it's a very poor use of resources.

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3 hours ago, Flashlite80 said:

The idea of the long term view with a short term window is ridiculous.

There were no OT's left when we drafted.  A trade up was not going to happen.  I liked Najigba but the Jets went edge.  The guy had a 48% win rate when given one on one opportunities.  With our line, he isn't getting double teamed.  A top 5 defense that gives the QB no time to throw, HELPS YOUR QB!!!!  That impacts today.

In the second, they drafted an awesome center.  Everyone talks OT, but that's crazy.  Of Brown, Becton and McGovern, McGovern is by far the weakest link.  A top center is the heart of any great offensive line.  That impacts today.

In the fourth, they got a solid LT, who could play RT, with 47 solid starts.  A #1 pick that is insurance against injury is a waste.  You draft solid depth in the mid rounds,  Warren on the Left, Mitchell on the right and Oboguehi in reserve, answers the current need for insurance against injury.  

The offense needed another running back.  I love Breece but he is coming off an injury and may not be ready to be our horse day 1.  By drafting Abanikanda, they got another important piece the offense needed.  How about a guy who is 5'11" tall, 215 pounds and runs a sub 4,4 forty with a 41 inch verticle.  In 11 games last season, Abanikanda rushed for 1,431 yards and 20 TDs while averaging 6 yds/carry. He led the NCAA in scoring (11.6 pts/g) with 21 total TDs and ranked second in all-purpose yards (164.09) and seventh in rush yards per game (130.1). 

If Breece needs time, Rodgers has a horse.  When Breece is 100%, Rodgers has a solid running game behind him.  That is a today need.

When you get to late 5th round and beyond, JD traded to get extra picks and found some interesting depth pieces with potential.

When your first 4 picks, going into the 5th round, all have 2023 impact and 3 of the 4 are on offense, you did what you could to build a winner around Rodgers.

 

jk

Your “cut & paste” technique needs a little polish! JK ?

Agree with everything you said and believe the pass rush will be lights out this year with JJ & Clemons in year 2 (full year strength & conditioning program), Lawson another 12 months removed from Achilles tear, Huff playing for a long-term deal and McDonald given a specific assignment in pass rush situations…. Take down the Qb.
Also, with QW & JFM pushing the pocket back and not allowing the Qb to step up, the pressure will be fast coming. Only worry for me is the LB corp. Can they cover the TE and crossing routes sufficiently and get some picks.

Tippman, AVT & Becton on the right side will be a RB dream between the gaps… especially if Ruckert can block as well as he did in college. Conklin didn’t seem polished as a blocker.

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5 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I agree with the bolded - 100% accurate.

I don't agree that JD accomplished this.  I believe the strategy was seriously flawed.  

I should say - from the way he's managing the off-season he did exactly what he wanted to.  But I also believe paying what we paid for Rodgers and not doing EVERYTHING you can to make the team better THIS year is the wrong strategy.

Had we signed Carr for no draft capital and $25mm a year for 3 years - I would give this draft an B+

Under the circumstances I give it a D

So worse qb makes it better?

 

Idk I think if the 1st and 2nd contribute it's great. Plus if anything comes from anyone else...i.e. depth which we will get on the line and rb. It's a big win this year

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4 hours ago, kmnj said:

I give it  D and it reminds me of joes first draft 

his first pick was brutal- nobody here was hoping for Joes pick (only after the fact trying to hype him up ) - you don’t use a first on a part time player at best

JSN should have been the pick without question 

 

 

I give it a C-  And thats generous. The Tippman pick was excellent A+ as was the Izzy RB pick which was a MUST.  Those picks HELP AR NOW. (You have to line the ducks ? ??? up to see how this whole blew up in his face. 1st - JD traded out of 13 to 15. Big mistake. 2 - Traded Moore for a 2nd but lost a 3rd in the process. Now we have NO 3rd round pick. Gave that 2nd in the Moore trade to GB as part of the AR trade.  Another waste of resources.  AR ends up costing the Jets to move back 2 spots equivalent to a 3rd, a 2nd, a 3rd (loss for Moore trade), and a 1st for 2024 (Suckered) GB had ZERO trading partners and were stuck like a fly on a trap. JD folded. Then his OT went sayonara as GB, the Pats and Steelers took him back to his kindergarten days.  First pick was an abysmal joke seeing how it all transpired with JD getting fleeced and backed up against the wall. Time to make the pick, no willing trade partners to fall back (took 10 minutes trying to). Takes a situational pass rusher (10-15 plays a game tops) when we already have the same guy in Huff who was an UDFA LOL.  Just a terrible pick. who will eventually get cut when you are forced to pay him 1st round money in year five. JD is a decent GM. Has made some blundering moves and picks and some good ones.  But this is another 1st round pick that is a colossal mistake. When you take into account JD's whole body of work, it is a huge fail. 

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6 hours ago, Kelly to Allen no huddle said:

You don't pass the next Kelce for a situational pass rusher.... 

Not only did you pass on Kelce, Douglas's hubris led to buffalo getting the next Kelce....

Josh Allen is high fiving Beane 

Kincaid is not the next kelce quite yet. So lay off the "next kelce" bullsh$t.  Its trolling.  Meanwhile, I implore Max to negotiate a trade to send you back to whichever Bills board evicted you.   

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11 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

I’ve decided that PFF is reputable for today 

The best satire is indistinguishable from reality.

I know sports fans who defend their teams with more vigor than they do their husbands/wives.

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7 hours ago, slats said:

You posted this in the draft thread, and I could not disagree with you more. I think I would lost my proverbial **** if the Jets drafted a TE in the first round. When it comes to positional value, only QB is ranked higher than edge while TE battles it out for the bottom with RB and safety. There’s a reason he was still there at #25. Kelce was a third round pick. That’s where you draft TEs. 

Watch our 7th round pick, be better than their 1st round pick. That would be historic. But hey, the best TEs in history were later round picks. 

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1 hour ago, jgb said:

I don’t get how going EDGE doesn’t help this team win although Fidelio has gone full dark side — at the worst possible moment, I think. Guy has been a perfectly-accurate contrarian indicator to date so more evidence of a great Jets season on tap.

I’m betting McDonald for DROTY because Fidelio has been so outrageously wrong about everything. 9 sacks incoming.

If he gets 9 sacks we are going to be very happy 

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