jonah williams - OT / bengals .. has made a trade request .. our gm calling their gm ?

[jtomm]

--- Cincinnati Bengals tackle Jonah Williams could be available because of his recent trade request, but that seems unlikely unless he renegotiates his contract. He has one year remaining at $12.6 million, fully guaranteed.

After all the time and resources they invested in Rodgers, it would be a shame if the Jets' tackles break down again like last season."You really hope the offensive line can stay healthy," former Jets great Joe Namath told ESPN. "That's where I go when I think this thing through. This has the potential to be sensational, but Lady Luck has to smile on us and that O-line needs to stay healthy, if possible."

-- rest of above article  > https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/91834/jets-aaron-rodgers-expects-a-heaven-and-hell-relationship-with-zach-wilson

[dbatesman]

Didn’t he allow like 12 sacks last year

[Larz]

 

4 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Didn’t he allow like 12 sacks last year

Over the last two seasons, Williams has been charged with 20 sacks allowed, including a career-worst 12 in 2022. Williams has allowed 23 career sacks and 105 total pressures.

[Bruce Harper]

9 minutes ago, Larz said:

 

Over the last two seasons, Williams has been charged with 20 sacks allowed, including a career-worst 12 in 2022. Williams has allowed 23 career sacks and 105 total pressures.

That doesn’t sound correctable. 

[OilfieldJet]

Basement bin OT is a poor way to protect AR. This remains an acute concern.

[dbatesman]

18 minutes ago, Larz said:

 

Over the last two seasons, Williams has been charged with 20 sacks allowed, including a career-worst 12 in 2022. Williams has allowed 23 career sacks and 105 total pressures.

[section314]

33 minutes ago, Larz said:

 

Over the last two seasons, Williams has been charged with 20 sacks allowed, including a career-worst 12 in 2022. Williams has allowed 23 career sacks and 105 total pressures.

This guy stinks. Period.

[Xtina]

Want Burrow hurt last year thanks to the O line 

[Bowles Movement]

I remember people on here pounding the table gor this guy and saying the Jets blew it in not drafting him.     Seems like we got this one right.

[Sammybighead]

He stinks, did you factor that in?

[derp]

Jets have Brown and Becton penciled in as starters, Warren and Mitchell as recent developmental draft picks behind them, Ogbuehi as the fifth tackle who will likely be carried on the practice squad and bumped onto the roster if there's an injury, and AVT as probably the third best tackle on the team with stronger iOL depth behind him than they've had in years in case he needs to kick out.

Barring an early injury and an opportunity to bring someone who leaps Ogbuehi as one of the top four guys, this is the group. I get that there's uncertainty, but they're only going to carry so many tackles on the roster.

And I don't think the improved iOL depth is an accident with AVT's versatility. If Warren and Mitchell don't impress in a big way, I don't think they'll hesitate to get AVT out there. Very viable that AVT at one of the tackle spots with three of Tomlinson, Tippmann, McGovern is their best five. And if one of those three goes down, Schwietzer may be next up. Colon may not be a slouch either. They've got two to three iOL backups better than their first iOL backup the last couple years.

Also, Jonah Williams is not very good.

[jeremy2020]

1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

Didn’t he allow like 12 sacks last year

..but he's on the Bengals and I've heard his name!

[Integrity28]

He lost his job for a reason. Folks forget the pummeling that Joe Burrow has taken?

No thanks.

[bonkertons]

I think our depth is fine, as long as the plan is to keep Becton at LT.  I'd go something like:

 

LT: Becton; Brown; Warren

LG: Tomlinson; Pankey; Schweitzer

C : Tippmann; McGovern; Schweitzer

RG: AVT; McGovern; Schweitzer

RT: Mitchell; AVT; Ogbuehi/Warren

 

If Mitchell flops or gets hurt, you slide AVT to RT and start McGovern or one of your FA signings at RG.  Brown provides you a solid safety net at LT in the event Becton goes down again, or if the rust is too much for him to shake off early on.  But yeah, I think the best case scenario is if Mitchell establishes himself as the starting RT.  

[CanadaSteve]

Cameron Fleming is still available as well.  Guy can start if need be.  George Fant, Taylor Lewan (not the best option).  There are guys still out there in F/A who can be added on the cheap for more depth as well. 

[Jet Nut]

Doesn’t he suck?

And get $12M to suck?

[Doggin94it]

1 hour ago, derp said:

Jets have Brown and Becton penciled in as starters, Warren and Mitchell as recent developmental draft picks behind them, Ogbuehi as the fifth tackle who will likely be carried on the practice squad and bumped onto the roster if there's an injury, and AVT as probably the third best tackle on the team with stronger iOL depth behind him than they've had in years in case he needs to kick out.

Barring an early injury and an opportunity to bring someone who leaps Ogbuehi as one of the top four guys, this is the group. I get that there's uncertainty, but they're only going to carry so many tackles on the roster.

And I don't think the improved iOL depth is an accident with AVT's versatility. If Warren and Mitchell don't impress in a big way, I don't think they'll hesitate to get AVT out there. Very viable that AVT at one of the tackle spots with four of Tomlinson, Tippmann, McGovern is their best five. And if one of those three goes down, Schwietzer may be next up. Colon may not be a slouch either. They've got two to three iOL backups better than their first iOL backup the last couple years.

Also, Jonah Williams is not very good.

Their first IOL backup last year was Herbig, who was terrific. But otherwise, yes, especially if Tippman starts and McGovern is the primary backup at OG

[Sperm Edwards]

I'm going to need an explanation how he's superior to a street FA backup tackle. His main asset - at least the past two years - has been avoiding injury, though given the # of sacks he surrenders this may not actually be an asset. 

[tdoublee]

Would rather bring back Fant, no thanks.

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[NYJCAP2]

Don’t like Williams, but can anyone explain what is going on with Donovan Smith?

[derp]

32 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Their first IOL backup last year was Herbig, who was terrific. But otherwise, yes, especially if Tippman starts and McGovern is the primary backup at OG

Herbig was more adequate than terrific in my opinion. We'll see how it shakes out but I think they've upgraded on the iOL. If McGovern is the primary backup that's certainly an upgrade, Schweitzer has a nice little track record, and Colon has flashed.

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, jtomm said:

--- Cincinnati Bengals tackle Jonah Williams could be available because of his recent trade request, but that seems unlikely unless he renegotiates his contract. He has one year remaining at $12.6 million, fully guaranteed.

After all the time and resources they invested in Rodgers, it would be a shame if the Jets' tackles break down again like last season."You really hope the offensive line can stay healthy," former Jets great Joe Namath told ESPN. "That's where I go when I think this thing through. This has the potential to be sensational, but Lady Luck has to smile on us and that O-line needs to stay healthy, if possible."

-- rest of above article  > https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/91834/jets-aaron-rodgers-expects-a-heaven-and-hell-relationship-with-zach-wilson

Heard pats are going to offer kings ransom, then trade to nfc team for peanuts 

[Ghost]

He’s just not that good. 

[Lupz27]

2 hours ago, OilfieldJet said:

Basement bin OT is a poor way to protect AR. This remains an acute concern.

Great QB’s can hide bad O-line play.

[jtomm]

21 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Heard pats are going to offer kings ransom, then trade to nfc team for peanuts 

[Green Ghost]

Heplayed hurt last year when a lot of players wouldn’t have, and his teammates respected the hell out of him for going out there, but the truth is he never should have been a LT to begin with.

From day one there were concerns about his arm length and other measurable thingys. We could do a lot worse than him if he’s willing to move off LT and play either inside or maybe RT.

TLDR I’d pass on the guy.

[Sperm Edwards]

58 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Heplayed hurt last year when a lot of players wouldn’t have, and his teammates respected the hell out of him for going out there, but the truth is he never should have been a LT to begin with.

From day one there were concerns about his arm length and other measurable thingys. We could do a lot worse than him if he’s willing to move off LT and play either inside or maybe RT.

TLDR I’d pass on the guy.

I didn't realize he was hurt last year. That's not nothing.

Hard to know exactly how much - and in which specific ways - it really affected his play, and if those problems disappear when healed up. It's a lot of sacks surrendered, but sometimes that can be misleading. If Burrow is holding it for 4 seconds because no one's open, and then he gets sacked, is that really a knock on his LT? We've all surely lost track of how many times have we've all cursed at the screen at our crappy recent QBs, screaming "OH MY ****ING GOD -- ****ING THROW IT!!!" as though he can hear us from our side of the TV screen, right before a pair of rushers crash into him like he's in between two cymbals and uh wait, what were we talking about again?

[chirorob]

4 hours ago, section314 said:

This guy stinks. Period.

 But he's also kind of expensive, so there's that.

[FidelioJet]

I don't know if he's any good anymore - so don't want to suggest to go after him or not but..

I am pretty sure if Joe liked the player he would make an offer - but someone other team would outbid him at the last minute - and Joe would walk away.  Unless, of course, it was a mandate from the owner.

Standard M.O. at this point.

[New York Mick]

4 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

I remember people on here pounding the table gor this guy and saying the Jets blew it in not drafting him.     Seems like we got this one right.

I was one of them. The debate was more about the importance of an OT vs ED. People were labeling ED - Allen the next LT and some of us thought he was overrated which he was and wanted the Jets to take OL. Williams was the best option at that point. Both did pretty good to start then faded away. 

[Sammybighead]

He's always hurt. Which happens to be our oline issue. Can't see doubling down on hurt bodies as a net positive. 

[32EBoozer]

4 hours ago, bonkertons said:

I think our depth is fine, as long as the plan is to keep Becton at LT.  I'd go something like:

 

LT: Becton; Brown; Warren

LG: Tomlinson; Pankey; Schweitzer

C : Tippmann; McGovern; Schweitzer

RG: AVT; McGovern; Schweitzer

RT: Mitchell; AVT; Ogbuehi/Warren

 

If Mitchell flops or gets hurt, you slide AVT to RT and start McGovern or one of your FA signings at RG.  Brown provides you a solid safety net at LT in the event Becton goes down again, or if the rust is too much for him to shake off early on.  But yeah, I think the best case scenario is if Mitchell establishes himself as the starting RT.  

I don’t think they’ll be carrying 11 OL

[Green Ghost]

48 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I don't know if he's any good anymore - so don't want to suggest to go after him or not but..

I am pretty sure if Joe liked the player he would make an offer - but someone other team would outbid him at the last minute - and Joe would walk away.  Unless, of course, it was a mandate from the owner.

Standard M.O. at this point.

[NYJCAP2]

17 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I don’t think they’ll be carrying 11 OL

Same I’d ditch Pankey and Ogbuehi from that list.

[Greensleeves]

6 hours ago, derp said:

Jets have Brown and Becton penciled in as starters, Warren and Mitchell as recent developmental draft picks behind them, Ogbuehi as the fifth tackle who will likely be carried on the practice squad and bumped onto the roster if there's an injury, and AVT as probably the third best tackle on the team with stronger iOL depth behind him than they've had in years in case he needs to kick out.

Barring an early injury and an opportunity to bring someone who leaps Ogbuehi as one of the top four guys, this is the group. I get that there's uncertainty, but they're only going to carry so many tackles on the roster.

And I don't think the improved iOL depth is an accident with AVT's versatility. If Warren and Mitchell don't impress in a big way, I don't think they'll hesitate to get AVT out there. Very viable that AVT at one of the tackle spots with four of Tomlinson, Tippmann, McGovern is their best five. And if one of those three goes down, Schwietzer may be next up. Colon may not be a slouch either. They've got two to three iOL backups better than their first iOL backup the last couple years.

Also, Jonah Williams is not very good.

dammit - stop making sense. ?