1st round edge was the right move

[Doggin94it]

Was just thinking about this this morning.

Last year, pretty much the entire board agreed that edge was a key Jets need and should be a target with one of their early 2022 picks (1st or 2nd round), which made sense. Lawson was coming off an injury, and our other DEs were Huff, JFM, Vinny Curry and Jacob Martin. There were debates about which edge they should take in the first, whether JJ was the right guy, etc.

Fast forward a year and our depth is much better - Lawson is back from injury, and swap out Curry and Martin for JJ and Clemons. But Lawson was less than he was signed to be in his first year back from injury and is in the last year of his deal, Huff is a FA-to-be that we probably can't afford next offseason, and JJ and Clemons are both primarily Calvin Pace/Bryan Thomas types (primarily edge setters/run defenders who can also provide some pressure, not high end sack artists). We're still missing that true pass-rushing edge, and if we hadn't taken one this offseason then in the 2024 offseason we'd be screaming about how we need to sign a top tier FA because we don't have a 1st round pick to take a top tier rookie edge with.

So why has picking an edge in the first gone from necessity to silly luxury in one year? If anything, the McDonald pick is an indictment of the trade-up for Johnson last year (you don't give up 30+ slots in the third round, and a fifth round pick, to move up for a Pace/Thomas type, and I say that despite liking the player). I don't know if McDonald was the right guy at edge - I'm no scout - but if he's the player the Jets seem to think he is, by 2024 he's going to be a starter and our top pass-rusher. And the thought process in taking someone at that position was wise, even over JSN.

[jgb]

Any team could benefit from a self-creating sack artist.

[Joe W. Namath]

No, it wasn't.

[Jetsfan4life90]

5 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

No, it wasn't.

You can argue 1st round vs 2nd round, etc. But edge was definitely a need.

And Huff, I hope they can resign next season.

[LIJetsFan]

Can you say bi-polar?  

[kdels62]

I really find it hard to believe that people think there are many better allocations of assets in the NFL than first round edge rusher. 

[Tranquilo]

Just now, kdels62 said:

I really find it hard to believe that people think there are many better allocations of assets in the NFL than first round edge rusher. 

It's nuts.

We didn't draft a safety or a DT. We drafted like the most important position on defense lol

[Warfish]

I say it over and over, the NFL is an offense-dominated league.  You do not win if you do not score.

Our Offense has been ranked 28th, 29th, 28th, 11th (Fitzy), 30th, 24th, 23rd, 31st, 32nd, 28th and 29th since 2012.

No wonder we're the leader by far in years without a playoff appearance.  

Closest we came, yup, 2015 with Fitz and the 11th ranked scoring Offense.

And yet, we as a team invest far heavier in Defense with our top picks than we do with offense.  Despite the regime, we seem to consistently try and build the 1985 Bears or the elite D era Ravens, rather than try to compete with the top Offenses.

Since 2007 we have picked Defense with our top #1 pick 13 times out of 17 years.  

Of the remaining 4 top #1 picks, three were QB's!  Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson.

Only once in the past 17 years has our top #1 pick been a non-QB Offensive player, and that was Becton. 

And what do we have to show for this incredible investment of draft capital to the Defense and the constant hiring of Defense minded Head Coaches?

The longest streak of uncompetitive football in the NFL.

So in desperation, due to our ongoing failure to find or identify a QB, we got Aaron Rodgers.  That is awesome if he still has it (and I think he does).  But he isn't Jesus Christ, he doesn't walk on water, and he won't turn water into wine.  He's 40 ffs. Our supporting cast is thin, subpar at many spots and unreliable health-wise (O-line) and our skill position players have only two elite talents, one of whom is coming back off a horrible injury and is 100% TBD if he'll be the same guy.

All this said, I just think the route to change is CHANGE, to try and win by building elite talent on offense.  Not doing the same old defense, defense, defense thing we've always done, especially with a pick like this one that is almost all athleticism/RAS score based, who at most will only be a rotational guy while we have Rodgers.  especially the year after we invested a #1 in a supposedly elite edge rusher (a narrative that's now changed when this pick got made, lol).

We paid alot to get Rodgers, I would have gotten him another weapon.  But clearly, mot of the forum does not agree and loves bendy gumby, lol.

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Was just thinking about this this morning.

Last year, pretty much the entire board agreed that edge was a key Jets need and should be a target with one of their early 2022 picks (1st or 2nd round), which made sense. Lawson was coming off an injury, and our other DEs were Huff, JFM, Vinny Curry and Jacob Martin. There were debates about which edge they should take in the first, whether JJ was the right guy, etc.

Fast forward a year and our depth is much better - Lawson is back from injury, and swap out Curry and Martin for JJ and Clemons. But Lawson was less than he was signed to be in his first year back from injury and is in the last year of his deal, Huff is a FA-to-be that we probably can't afford next offseason, and JJ and Clemons are both primarily Calvin Pace/Bryan Thomas types (primarily edge setters/run defenders who can also provide some pressure, not high end sack artists). We're still missing that true pass-rushing edge, and if we hadn't taken one this offseason then in the 2024 offseason we'd be screaming about how we need to sign a top tier FA because we don't have a 1st round pick to take a top tier rookie edge with.

So why has picking an edge in the first gone from necessity to silly luxury in one year? If anything, the McDonald pick is an indictment of the trade-up for Johnson last year (you don't give up 30+ slots in the third round, and a fifth round pick, to move up for a Pace/Thomas type, and I say that despite liking the player). I don't know if McDonald was the right guy at edge - I'm no scout - but if he's the player the Jets seem to think he is, by 2024 he's going to be a starter and our top pass-rusher. And the thought process in taking someone at that position was wise, even over JSN.

I can’t speak for the the board but as someone who doesn’t follow the draft or college football much I reacted like a dipshit because I never heard of the guy before. But now that I recognize his name I agree it’s a need. Plus the jumping over cars. Doing back  flips and riding a unicycle things appeals to the fat silly fool in me! 

[undertow]

I think they just went BPA after the tackles were gone.....if the best player was a safety on their board they would have taken a safety.

[Tranquilo]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I say it over and over, the NFL is an offense-dominated league.  You do not win if you do not score.

Our Offense has been ranked 28th, 29th, 28th, 11th (Fitzy), 30th, 24th, 23rd, 31st, 32nd, 28th and 29th since 2012.

No wonder we're the leader by far in years without a playoff appearance.  

Closest we came, yup, 2015 with Fitz and the 11th ranked scoring Offense.

And yet, we as a team invest far heavier in Defense with our top picks than we do with offense.  Despite the regime, we seem to consistently try and build the 1985 Bears or the elite D era Ravens, rather than try to compete with the top Offenses.

Since 2007 we have picked Defense with our top #1 pick 13 times out of 17 years.  

Of the remaining 4 top #1 picks, three were QB's!  Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson.

Only once in the past 17 years has our top #1 pick been a non-QB Offensive player, and that was Becton. 

And what do we have to show for this incredible investment of draft capital to the Defense and the constant hiring of Defense minded Head Coaches?

The longest streak of uncompetitive football in the NFL.

So in desperation, due to our ongoing failure to find or identify a QB, we got Aaron Rodgers.  That is awesome if he still has it (and I think he does).  But he isn't Jesus Christ, he doesn't walk on water, and he won't turn water into wine.  He's 40 ffs. Our supporting cast is thin, subpar at many spots and unreliable health-wise (O-line) and our skill position players have only two elite talents, one of whom is coming back off a horrible injury and is 100% TBD if he'll be the same guy.

All this said, I just think the route to change is CHANGE, to try and win by building elite talent on offense.  Not doing the same old defense, defense, defense thing we've always done, especially with a pick like this one that is almost all athleticism/RAS score based, who at most will only be a rotational guy while we have Rodgers.  especially the year after we invested a #1 in a supposedly elite edge rusher (a narrative that's now changed when this pick got made, lol).

We paid alot to get Rodgers, I would have gotten him another weapon.  But clearly, mot of the forum does not agree and loves bendy gumby, lol.

I don't think it's that clear cut.

For the past 10 years (including 4 years before the Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes), the Chiefs have only drafted 3 offensive players in the first round. The QB part of it is a big deal and you also have to determine value.

[Tranquilo]

2 minutes ago, undertow said:

I think they just went BPA after the tackles were gone.....if the best player was a safety on their board they would have taken a safety.

BPA + Positional Value

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I say it over and over, the NFL is an offense-dominated league.  You do not win if you do not score.

Our Offense has been ranked 28th, 29th, 28th, 11th (Fitzy), 30th, 24th, 23rd, 31st, 32nd, 28th and 29th since 2012.

No wonder we're the leader by far in years without a playoff appearance.  

Closest we came, yup, 2015 with Fitz and the 11th ranked scoring Offense.

And yet, we as a team invest far heavier in Defense with our top picks than we do with offense.  Despite the regime, we seem to consistently try and build the 1985 Bears or the elite D era Ravens, rather than try to compete with the top Offenses.

Since 2007 we have picked Defense with our top #1 pick 13 times out of 17 years.  

Of the remaining 4 top #1 picks, three were QB's!  Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson.

Only once in the past 17 years has our top #1 pick been a non-QB Offensive player, and that was Becton. 

And what do we have to show for this incredible investment of draft capital to the Defense and the constant hiring of Defense minded HEad Coaches?

The longest streak of uncompetitive football in the NFL.

So in desperation, due to our ongoing failure to find or identify a QB, we got Aaron Rodgers.  That is awesome if he still has it (and I think he does).  But he isn't Jesus Christ, he doesn't walk on water, and he won't turn water into wine.  Our supporting cast is thin, subpar at many spots and unreliable health-wise (O-line) and our skill position players have only two elite talents, one of whom is coming back off a horrible injury and is 100% TBD if he'll be the same guy.

All this said, I just think the route to change is CHANGE, to try and win by building elite talent on offense.  Not doing the same old defense, defense, defense think we've always done, especially with a pick like this one that is almost all athleticism/RAS score based, who at most will only be a rotational guy while we have Rodgers.

We paid alot to get Rodgers, I would have gotten him another weapon.  But clearly, mot of the forum does not agree and loves bendy gumby, lol.

Once you have a QB - it's coaching, luck, and defense. Oh and health. 

I don't think a first round WR was gonna suddenly launch this team into elite status. 

[undertow]

11 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

BPA + Positional Value

If JD was hung up on "positional value" not sure he would be taking RBs and centers in the early 2nd and trading up for guards. 

[slimjasi]

As I posted during the draft, one of the big thoughts I repeatedly found myself with while watching the Jets last year was: "I wish we could somehow clone Bryce Huff"

Well, my hope is that we have done this. 

There are 5 premium positions in football: QB, OT, EDGE, WR, AND CB. It's possible we have an elite QB (I know, debatable), WR (Wilson is still young but he has top 5 NFL WR potential), and CB (Sauce is already there). Having an elite edge presence, especially with this defense, is something we should all want. 

[sciond]

The Jets had 10+ years of the worst drafting of all time....

Did you people forget what life was before JD?

Now you have positions of need...

versus needing everything....

[jamesr]

I can’t Susan fir the board but as someone who doesn’t follow the draft or college football much I reacted like a dipsh*t because I never heard of the guy before. But now that I recognize his name U agree it’s a need. Plus the jumping over cars. Doing back  flips and riding a unicycle things appeals to the fat silly fool in me! 

Just wait till he does a back flip over a car while riding a unicycle. Superbowl baby!

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[Tranquilo]

4 minutes ago, undertow said:

If JD was hung up on "positional value" not sure he would be taking RBs and centers in the early 2nd and trading up for guards. 

I don't know what your point is. So because he may or may not have reached before on certain positions, he has to reach forever? The fact is, whether or not he's hung up on it or not, the position he drafted has value in the 1st round.

I swear this is what you see in politics now. "IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN HOW COME" "THEN WHAT ABOUT."

Fact: Edge Rusher is a good pick in the first round

End of story

[kdels62]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I say it over and over, the NFL is an offense-dominated league.  You do not win if you do not score.

Our Offense has been ranked 28th, 29th, 28th, 11th (Fitzy), 30th, 24th, 23rd, 31st, 32nd, 28th and 29th since 2012.

No wonder we're the leader by far in years without a playoff appearance.  

Closest we came, yup, 2015 with Fitz and the 11th ranked scoring Offense.

And yet, we as a team invest far heavier in Defense with our top picks than we do with offense.  Despite the regime, we seem to consistently try and build the 1985 Bears or the elite D era Ravens, rather than try to compete with the top Offenses.

Since 2007 we have picked Defense with our top #1 pick 13 times out of 17 years.  

Of the remaining 4 top #1 picks, three were QB's!  Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson.

Only once in the past 17 years has our top #1 pick been a non-QB Offensive player, and that was Becton. 

And what do we have to show for this incredible investment of draft capital to the Defense and the constant hiring of Defense minded Head Coaches?

The longest streak of uncompetitive football in the NFL.

So in desperation, due to our ongoing failure to find or identify a QB, we got Aaron Rodgers.  That is awesome if he still has it (and I think he does).  But he isn't Jesus Christ, he doesn't walk on water, and he won't turn water into wine.  He's 40 ffs. Our supporting cast is thin, subpar at many spots and unreliable health-wise (O-line) and our skill position players have only two elite talents, one of whom is coming back off a horrible injury and is 100% TBD if he'll be the same guy.

All this said, I just think the route to change is CHANGE, to try and win by building elite talent on offense.  Not doing the same old defense, defense, defense think we've always done, especially with a pick like this one that is almost all athleticism/RAS score based, who at most will only be a rotational guy while we have Rodgers.

We paid alot to get Rodgers, I would have gotten him another weapon.  But clearly, mot of the forum does not agree and loves bendy gumby, lol.

He’s the all-time Big 12 leader in sacks. He broke out with double digit sacks as a 20 year old. He’s not a combine wizard or an out of nowhere player. He’s been building to this draft position. 

As for the rest… the Jets have among the highest cap investment in OL in the league. 2 first round OL, a second round Center, a high price vet at guard, a backup center who has been a starter for 6 years, a vet tackle who started every game for us last year. There’s plenty investment here. At receiver the Jets have spent 1 first rounder and 2 second round picks in the last 3 years unfortunately 2 of those guys are busts but the 1st rounder just put up an OROY campaign. They have about $30 million in cap space tied up to veterans who if healthy are 700 yards per season type players. They have another $18 million + a third round investment at TE. RB is tricky but their investment at the position is in line with most good teams. Also the main RB was gonna be OROY before injury. MC can pass block and had 1000 all purpose yards his rookie year. 

Last year the problem wasn’t starting talent, it was depth and QB play. Both those needs were addressed. Pass rushers are extremely expensive and important pieces, getting one with McDonald’s profile is important at any stage of team building.

[Long Island Leprechaun]

23 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I say it over and over, the NFL is an offense-dominated league.  You do not win if you do not score.

Our Offense has been ranked 28th, 29th, 28th, 11th (Fitzy), 30th, 24th, 23rd, 31st, 32nd, 28th and 29th since 2012.

No wonder we're the leader by far in years without a playoff appearance.  

Closest we came, yup, 2015 with Fitz and the 11th ranked scoring Offense.

And yet, we as a team invest far heavier in Defense with our top picks than we do with offense.  Despite the regime, we seem to consistently try and build the 1985 Bears or the elite D era Ravens, rather than try to compete with the top Offenses.

Since 2007 we have picked Defense with our top #1 pick 13 times out of 17 years.  

Of the remaining 4 top #1 picks, three were QB's!  Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson.

Only once in the past 17 years has our top #1 pick been a non-QB Offensive player, and that was Becton. 

And what do we have to show for this incredible investment of draft capital to the Defense and the constant hiring of Defense minded Head Coaches?

The longest streak of uncompetitive football in the NFL.

So in desperation, due to our ongoing failure to find or identify a QB, we got Aaron Rodgers.  That is awesome if he still has it (and I think he does).  But he isn't Jesus Christ, he doesn't walk on water, and he won't turn water into wine.  He's 40 ffs. Our supporting cast is thin, subpar at many spots and unreliable health-wise (O-line) and our skill position players have only two elite talents, one of whom is coming back off a horrible injury and is 100% TBD if he'll be the same guy.

All this said, I just think the route to change is CHANGE, to try and win by building elite talent on offense.  Not doing the same old defense, defense, defense thing we've always done, especially with a pick like this one that is almost all athleticism/RAS score based, who at most will only be a rotational guy while we have Rodgers.  especially the year after we invested a #1 in a supposedly elite edge rusher (a narrative that's now changed when this pick got made, lol).

We paid alot to get Rodgers, I would have gotten him another weapon.  But clearly, mot of the forum does not agree and loves bendy gumby, lol.

Our offense didn't lack weapons or even a decent O-line. It lacked a NFL level QB and a healthy O-line, not to mention the season-ending injury of one of our best offensive weapons in Hall. They added talent in FA on the offensive side and depth on the OL. Rodgers is the key to making all that work. So yeah, Gumby looks like a very sensible choice, given the alternatives that were left at the 15th pick. 

[jgb]

27 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I say it over and over, the NFL is an offense-dominated league.  You do not win if you do not score.

Our Offense has been ranked 28th, 29th, 28th, 11th (Fitzy), 30th, 24th, 23rd, 31st, 32nd, 28th and 29th since 2012.

No wonder we're the leader by far in years without a playoff appearance.  

Closest we came, yup, 2015 with Fitz and the 11th ranked scoring Offense.

And yet, we as a team invest far heavier in Defense with our top picks than we do with offense.  Despite the regime, we seem to consistently try and build the 1985 Bears or the elite D era Ravens, rather than try to compete with the top Offenses.

Since 2007 we have picked Defense with our top #1 pick 13 times out of 17 years.  

Of the remaining 4 top #1 picks, three were QB's!  Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson.

Only once in the past 17 years has our top #1 pick been a non-QB Offensive player, and that was Becton. 

And what do we have to show for this incredible investment of draft capital to the Defense and the constant hiring of Defense minded Head Coaches?

The longest streak of uncompetitive football in the NFL.

So in desperation, due to our ongoing failure to find or identify a QB, we got Aaron Rodgers.  That is awesome if he still has it (and I think he does).  But he isn't Jesus Christ, he doesn't walk on water, and he won't turn water into wine.  He's 40 ffs. Our supporting cast is thin, subpar at many spots and unreliable health-wise (O-line) and our skill position players have only two elite talents, one of whom is coming back off a horrible injury and is 100% TBD if he'll be the same guy.

All this said, I just think the route to change is CHANGE, to try and win by building elite talent on offense.  Not doing the same old defense, defense, defense thing we've always done, especially with a pick like this one that is almost all athleticism/RAS score based, who at most will only be a rotational guy while we have Rodgers.  especially the year after we invested a #1 in a supposedly elite edge rusher (a narrative that's now changed when this pick got made, lol).

We paid alot to get Rodgers, I would have gotten him another weapon.  But clearly, mot of the forum does not agree and loves bendy gumby, lol.

The jets biggest draft investment was on offense — Aaron Rodgers. You can’t pretend away the trade to say the draft was overweighted on defense.

Jets fans; “we gave up far too much for Rodgers!”

Also Jets fans: “We didn’t invest enough in offense!”

[Tranquilo]

2 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Our offense didn't lack weapons or even a decent O-line. It lacked a NFL level QB and a healthy O-line, not to mention the season-ending injury of one of our best offensive weapons in Hall. They added talent in FA on the offensive side and depth on the OL. Rodgers is the key to making all that work. So yeah, Gumby looks like a very sensible choice, given the alternatives that were left at the 15th pick. 

The Jets reached at least 24 pts 3 games in a row (when Breece had 60% of the snaps).

They reached 24 pts 1 time in the next 10 games

[slimjasi]

15 minutes ago, undertow said:

If JD was hung up on "positional value" not sure he would be taking RBs and centers in the early 2nd and trading up for guards. 

I think the one move that stands out is trading up for AVT (although AVT is a pretty unique talent since he can also play tackle in a pinch) and also trying to trade into the first round last year to take Hall (ended up getting him in the early 2nd). 

But every other first round pick has been at a premium position (Becton, ZW, Sauce, GW). 

Someone asked Douglas about this (I believe at the predraft press conference last year) and he basically said that "positional need' is built into the draft board. So, they rank the players by how good they are at their relative positions and how much getting an impact player at that position would help the Jets, specifically. 

[undertow]

19 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

I don't know what your point is. So because he may or may not have reached before on certain positions, he has to reach forever? The fact is, whether or not he's hung up on it or not, the position he drafted has value in the 1st round.

I swear this is what you see in politics now. "IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN HOW COME" "THEN WHAT ABOUT."

Fact: Edge Rusher is a good pick in the first round

End of story

I didn't say it was a bad pick I said JD went BPA which is what he did....I also didn't say the other moves were bad it was evidence that he wasn't targeting a position.  I see the JD cult is back to freak out over ever discussion on player personnel decisions...... you guys must have been busy with Zach Wilson the past few years. lol

[RedBeardedSavage]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I think the one move that stands out is trading up for AVT (although AVT is a pretty unique talent since he can also play tackle in a pinch) and also trying to trade into the first round last year to take Hall (ended up getting him in the early 2nd). 

But every other first round pick has been at a premium position (Becton, ZW, Sauce, GW). 

Someone asked Douglas about this (I believe at the predraft press conference last year) and he basically said that "positional need' is built into the draft board. So, they rank the players by how good they are at their relative positions and how much getting an impact player at that position would help the Jets, specifically. 

And AVT might end up being a tackle...

[slimjasi]

Just now, RedBeardedSavage said:

And AVT might end up being a tackle...

My hope is no because I think he's built to be a dominant guard but just a serviceable tackle. But definitely could happen. 

[Warfish]

11 minutes ago, jgb said:

The jets biggest draft investment was on offense — Aaron Rodgers. You can’t pretend away the trade to say the draft was overweighted on defense.

Jets fans; “we gave up far too much for Rodgers!”

Also Jets fans: “We didn’t invest enough in offense!”

We’ll, if you think he is a fix-all savior for this O, then I could see where you might think a second edge #1 after last years edge #1 was best.

Guess we’ll see. If our O finishes top 10 then I guess I was wrong. That’ll be the coolest wrong I’ll have ever been.

[PepPep]

9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I say it over and over, the NFL is an offense-dominated league.  You do not win if you do not score.

Our Offense has been ranked 28th, 29th, 28th, 11th (Fitzy), 30th, 24th, 23rd, 31st, 32nd, 28th and 29th since 2012.

No wonder we're the leader by far in years without a playoff appearance.  

Closest we came, yup, 2015 with Fitz and the 11th ranked scoring Offense.

And yet, we as a team invest far heavier in Defense with our top picks than we do with offense.  Despite the regime, we seem to consistently try and build the 1985 Bears or the elite D era Ravens, rather than try to compete with the top Offenses.

Since 2007 we have picked Defense with our top #1 pick 13 times out of 17 years.  

Of the remaining 4 top #1 picks, three were QB's!  Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson.

Only once in the past 17 years has our top #1 pick been a non-QB Offensive player, and that was Becton. 

And what do we have to show for this incredible investment of draft capital to the Defense and the constant hiring of Defense minded Head Coaches?

The longest streak of uncompetitive football in the NFL.

So in desperation, due to our ongoing failure to find or identify a QB, we got Aaron Rodgers.  That is awesome if he still has it (and I think he does).  But he isn't Jesus Christ, he doesn't walk on water, and he won't turn water into wine.  He's 40 ffs. Our supporting cast is thin, subpar at many spots and unreliable health-wise (O-line) and our skill position players have only two elite talents, one of whom is coming back off a horrible injury and is 100% TBD if he'll be the same guy.

All this said, I just think the route to change is CHANGE, to try and win by building elite talent on offense.  Not doing the same old defense, defense, defense thing we've always done, especially with a pick like this one that is almost all athleticism/RAS score based, who at most will only be a rotational guy while we have Rodgers.  especially the year after we invested a #1 in a supposedly elite edge rusher (a narrative that's now changed when this pick got made, lol).

We paid alot to get Rodgers, I would have gotten him another weapon.  But clearly, mot of the forum does not agree and loves bendy gumby, lol.

I just want to point out...

1. The most clear deficiency to the success of our offense last year (apart from injuries) was QB and the Jets went out and got a QB. A good one. Regardless of age. They got a good one. And they invested a 2nd rounder, a first rounder next year and what you can argue is an additional 3rd rounder due to the pick swap with GB. That's a lot of draft capital to invest in the offense. They went a different way about it, via trade. But still. I think a little bit more context is fair. Like, significant draft capital WAS invested in the offense.  

2. JD fortified the depth of the O-line with Tippman and Warren. Then added Abanikanda for depth at RB. Back to back to back offensive picks. Sure, you can say they weren't first rounders. You can argue some of them are more developmental than others (Warren). But nonetheless. This was far from a Defense heavy draft by JD. More on that later...

3. While I 100% agree that this is an offense-dominated league. Its also true that you cannot win without a pass rush. We've seen it time and time again. If you can't get to the QB, you will be shredded by many teams in the pass game. And so many 'big games', playoff games, SBs, etc., have turned on a big sack or pressure, etc. Its why so many Edge rushers still go early, its why so many Edge rusher neutralizers (OTs) still go early. 

4. McDonald IV is FAR from an ALL RAS score based selection. I don't know how you came up with that. His production has been good and he comes in as a polished pass rusher with a full bag of moves having played a full 4 years of college ball. He will only be a rotation guy because that is how Saleh likes to play defense and because the Jets have good depth on the D-line (which is very important these days in the NFL).      

5. Back to the rest of the draft, you mentioned Hall coming off terrible injury...well JD drafted Abanikanda. You've gotta love that pick, no? He gets an uber athlete (albeit raw with some injury concerns) in the 7th in Kuntz to potentially be a situational weapon. And as already mentioned, JD took potentially the top interior lineman in the draft and a backup OT- probably after missing out on their top choice in Rd. 1.  I just don't see how there is much to complain about when you consider the way the rest of the draft unfolded. Ok, so he could have drafted JSN (obviously they did not view him as a 1st round prospect) or a better OT prospect (the 5th, not even the 4th top OT on the board). But I have zero issue with who they ended up choosing instead. Especially with what they did the rest of the way. A WR would have been nice but lets see how the rest of FA shakes out. 

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

We’ll, if you think he is a fix-all savior for this O, then I could see where you might think a second edge #1 after last years edge #1 was best.

Guess we’ll see. If our O finishes top 10 then I guess I was wrong. That’ll be the coolest wrong I’ll have ever been.

No, just challenging the premise that we over-allocated our assets on defense (didn’t we also draft a OL, RB and TE this draft??) when we just traded for Aaron Rodgers at a price people are losing their sh*t over.

[Larz]

JSN doesn’t start here. It was a weak crop of WR.  
 

Jets trade for AR 

“they don’t invest in offense “

[RedBeardedSavage]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

My hope is no because I think he's built to be a dominant guard but just a serviceable tackle. But definitely could happen. 

I hear ya, but like, he looked pretty damn good @ tackle too. 

More to the original point, I don't think it's fair to label AVT as just a guard - he's probably an A+ guard and a B @ tackle.

I think it's not as straightforward to gauge his value appropriately in the normal 'positional importance' debate because of his ability to play tackle at a high level.

[DoubleDown]

I have absolutely no issue with taking EDGE in the first round.  By my count, there were 7 of them taken in the first round this year.

As always, it's going to come down to the player.

From what I've seen, MacDonald is fast, can bend, and seems to have a nose for strip sacks.  For a defense which seems to consistently underperform when it comes to fumble recoveries and turnovers in general, it's a big need.

[slimjasi]

6 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I hear ya, but like, he looked pretty damn good @ tackle too. 

More to the original point, I don't think it's fair to label AVT as just a guard - he's probably an A+ guard and a B @ tackle.

I think it's not as straightforward to gauge his value appropriately in the normal 'positional importance' debate because of his ability to play tackle at a high level.

Agreed. 

You can also probably say the same thing about Tippman - who can has potential to be very good NFL guard should they decide to go that route (although I think he's going to be our center sooner than later) 

 

[Jetsfan80]

52 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

I don't think it's that clear cut.

For the past 10 years (including 4 years before the Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes), the Chiefs have only drafted 3 offensive players in the first round. The QB part of it is a big deal and you also have to determine value.

@Warfish probably lauded the Clyde Edwards-Helaire pick for the Chiefs too.  And now their starting RB is....a 7th rounder.

A really good EDGE is going to help Aaron Rodgers more than a slot receiver like JSN ever could.

[Maynard13]

53 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I can’t Susan fir the board but as someone who doesn’t follow the draft or college football much I reacted like a dipsh*t because I never heard of the guy before. But now that I recognize his name U agree it’s a need. Plus the jumping over cars. Doing back  flips and riding a unicycle things appeals to the fat silly fool in me! 

Hey bet he cant flip burgers and pancackes like you though. ?