Chris Schubert of The Draft Network Joins JetNation Radio to Summarize 2023 Draft Class

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Chris Schubert of The Draft Network joins JetNation Radio to break down the New York Jets draft class, the approach the team took and some of the undrafted free agents we’ve heard about thus far.

Was this class a home run or a head scratcher?  Click the link above and check out the conversation.

 

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[Bowles Movement]

I dont know Schubert and his credentials.  
Id ask him who he would have drafted at 15  or in the fourth rd that would have played and contributed more.   Bart Scott and Jake Asman both independently opined that between the players available, and the quality of the current team,  getting guys that can contribute at key positions and provide depth was as much as they could hope for.

[Sammybighead]

The draft wasn't particularly talented. A lot of these draft gurus wanted the jets to conjure phantom prospects and draft them instead.

[BornJetsFan1983]

6 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

The draft wasn't particularly talented. A lot of these draft gurus wanted the jets to conjure phantom prospects and draft them instead.

Yeah and most of the early reviews wanted us to draft the guy who went 30. Until we start winning we won't be given accolades.

The draft was basically the same as eagles yet they had a great draft and we sucked...uh huh sure whatever 

[Bowles Movement]

Last year we had 4 picks in the top 34 with 2 in the top ten.  This year we had the 15 and 44? In what seems like a weaker draft and for a better deeper team.    Not a surprise that this years draft doesnt produce as many starters.

[section314]

Turned it off when the one idiot said he didn’t get the RB pick. Where do they find these people?

[Green Ghost]

2023… everybody with an iPad and a dream is an expert

[#27TheDominator]

38 minutes ago, section314 said:

Turned it off when the one idiot said he didn’t get the RB pick. Where do they find these people?

Yeah.  He says something like Hall might not be back for 6 weeks.  He doesn't think a good back can help?  Didn't he notice the drop off?  WTF?  If he thinks Carter and Bam are all that he missed the second half of the season 

[Cyberjet]

Who is this guy? This guy makes no sense. He says that Saleh has a rotational defense and the Jets draft a rotational elite pass rusher - “that says to me that the Jets don’t have an elite pass rusher” - huh? The Jets system is the pass rusher - they don’t depend on one sole guy.

You expect and think it’s easy to get a  starter in round 4? 
Hey Buddy - Breece Hall is coming off ACL surgery and as you said IF Hall comes back then what do you do? You freaking play them both - that’s a pick for Rogers and the offense. 
 

not impressed by this guy. Rogers elevates everyone’s game - he makes the WRs and TEs better, he improves the OL by getting the ball out faster and recognizing defenses. 
 

The Jets are better. You solve any immediate issues with free agency. 

[Bowles Movement]

23 minutes ago, section314 said:

Turned it off when the one idiot said he didn’t get the RB pick. Where do they find these people?

Yeah because RB s hardly ever get hurt and rarely impact the game…

[Cyberjet]

3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Yeah.  He says something like Hall might not be back for 6 weeks.  He doesn't think a good back can help?  Did t notice thr drop off?  WEF?  If he thinks Carter and Bam are all that he missed the second half of the season 

Agree 100%. The RB might be the best pick of the draft. He was drafted because he’s talented and Hall is an IF.

[Cyberjet]

27 minutes ago, section314 said:

Turned it off when the one idiot said he didn’t get the RB pick. Where do they find these people?

Glenn can do a lot better than this guy. What did he say - onto 2024?!?He needs to get out more

[Cyberjet]

I think the Jets should have drafted a WR TE Center LT another WR a RT and another WR - no RB because your starter might come back from ACL surgery- all starters because the window to help Rodgers is only open for a short while. That’s how you draft. 

[Sammybighead]

The premise of the argument from Glenn and Chris is they didn't understand the strategy of not getting immediate impact starters.

Listen, I agree. I wish we got 3 day one starters to help immediately. They're not wrong for wanting that. However, I can go food shopping with the intent of making lasagna, but if the grocery store is out of noodles, sauce and cheese, I'm not making lasagna no matter how much my intent is to do so.

I just don't think there were impact day 1 starters. Even if jones fell to us, is he a day 1 starter at tackle? The guy was widely viewed as a raw project. He's not beating out a healthy Becton or brown, maybe not even mitchell.

JSN could have certainly made an immediate impact, and that's probably what I would have done. However, to just look at the snap count of mcdonald and say he's not an impact guy would be a mistake. If we up 4 late and Josh Allen has the ball with less than 2 minutes left and mcdonald gets a game sealing sack, you're not gonna care he only played 20% of snaps. Mcdonald is capable of impact, game altering plays even in limited usage. Watch him play and tell me he's not the only edge guy we have that may be able to generate pressure/sack on an island 1 on 1. Huff can, to a degree, and we all LOVE HIM and think he's vital. And he only played like 20% of snaps. Mcdonald is a weapon on defense, just like JSN would have been a weapon on offense. And guess what you'll need next year when Lawson is gone? An edge rusher, the hardest thing to find beyond qb and shutdown corner. And for everyone saying edge wasn't a need, we all thought CB wasn't a need last year.

Trade down wasn't an option, they tried. Stop bringing that up, it's idiotic, there was no trade down partner.

So assuming no trade down, and other than jsn, who you taking if not mcdonald? Who was left that was an impact day 1 starter? The only other guy that may have been a day 1 starters in this team is kancey, and he is undersized with short arms. Anyone else would have been a reach. 

It's nice to say what you want in fantasy land, but there has to be an actual path to achieve it.

[Dunnie]

8 hours ago, section314 said:

Turned it off when the one idiot said he didn’t get the RB pick. Where do they find these people?

Well ... maybe they never saw him run the rock ... that kid is the definition of ultra fast,  tough, change of pace.

[Sammybighead]

8 hours ago, section314 said:

Turned it off when the one idiot said he didn’t get the RB pick. Where do they find these people?

Yeah I actually thought it was vital they come away with another legit RB. It tool saquan a full year to return to form. We all love breece and he's the starter, but what if he's not the same guy all year? You need a home run threat lining up behind Rodgers and they found one. Probably why they were considering a RB at 15. You want an impact guy year 1? A legit RB should be high on your list then.

[Cyberjet]

1 hour ago, Sammybighead said:

Yeah I actually thought it was vital they come away with another legit RB. It tool saquan a full year to return to form. We all love breece and he's the starter, but what if he's not the same guy all year? You need a home run threat lining up behind Rodgers and they found one. Probably why they were considering a RB at 15. You want an impact guy year 1? A legit RB should be high on your list then.

How someone cannot understand the logic and value of picking a talented RB at that point in the draft with your starting RB still rehabilitating an ACL injury makes you question his analytical skills. 

[jetsons]

10 hours ago, section314 said:

Turned it off when the one idiot said he didn’t get the RB pick. Where do they find these people?

Agree... schubert not understanding that just proves he has zero common sense. 

[AFJF]

14 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

The premise of the argument from Glenn and Chris is they didn't understand the strategy of not getting immediate impact starters.

Listen, I agree. I wish we got 3 day one starters to help immediately. They're not wrong for wanting that. However, I can go food shopping with the intent of making lasagna, but if the grocery store is out of noodles, sauce and cheese, I'm not making lasagna no matter how much my intent is to do so.

I just don't think there were impact day 1 starters. Even if jones fell to us, is he a day 1 starter at tackle? The guy was widely viewed as a raw project. He's not beating out a healthy Becton or brown, maybe not even mitchell.

JSN could have certainly made an immediate impact, and that's probably what I would have done. However, to just look at the snap count of mcdonald and say he's not an impact guy would be a mistake. If we up 4 late and Josh Allen has the ball with less than 2 minutes left and mcdonald gets a game sealing sack, you're not gonna care he only played 20% of snaps. Mcdonald is capable of impact, game altering plays even in limited usage. Watch him play and tell me he's not the only edge guy we have that may be able to generate pressure/sack on an island 1 on 1. Huff can, to a degree, and we all LOVE HIM and think he's vital. And he only played like 20% of snaps. Mcdonald is a weapon on defense, just like JSN would have been a weapon on offense. And guess what you'll need next year when Lawson is gone? An edge rusher, the hardest thing to find beyond qb and shutdown corner. And for everyone saying edge wasn't a need, we all thought CB wasn't a need last year.

Trade down wasn't an option, they tried. Stop bringing that up, it's idiotic, there was no trade down partner.

So assuming no trade down, and other than jsn, who you taking if not mcdonald? Who was left that was an impact day 1 starter? The only other guy that may have been a day 1 starters in this team is kancey, and he is undersized with short arms. Anyone else would have been a reach. 

It's nice to say what you want in fantasy land, but there has to be an actual path to achieve it.

Disagreeing with a strategy is not the same as not understanding a strategy.

I thought they should have tried to win this season.  Some disagree.  To each his own.

[Sammybighead]

19 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Disagreeing with a strategy is not the same as not understanding a strategy.

I thought they should have tried to win this season.  Some disagree.  To each his own.

You can disagree with the strategy only if there is a viable alternative. 

I disagree that I should be confined to live on earth only, alas, I don't have a spaceship capable of lightspeed.

[Barkus]

5 hours ago, jetsons said:

Agree... schubert not understanding that just proves he has zero common sense. 

This was my biggest turn off also. The offense fell apart when hall went down. He is coming off an ACL. If hall is off or has a setback the rb room is Michael carter and bam knight, who frankly sucked. This is a running based offense need the depth badly.

[Bowles Movement]

35 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Disagreeing with a strategy is not the same as not understanding a strategy.

I thought they should have tried to win this season.  Some disagree.  To each his own.

Ill ask you the question you should have asked Schubert- who would you have drafted at 15, 44 and in the fourth round that would have started and played every down?  Who would you have taken in place of Izzy the RB in the 5th?

[AFJF]

1 hour ago, Sammybighead said:

You can disagree with the strategy only if there is a viable alternative. 

I disagree that I should be confined to live on earth only, alas, I don't have a spaceship capable of lightspeed.

I suppose if you think McDonald was the last good player available in round 1, there were no other alternatives.

 

We'll have to give it a few years before we know that to be the case or not.

[AFJF]

51 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Ill ask you the question you should have asked Schubert- who would you have drafted at 15, 44 and in the fourth round that would have started and played every down?  Who would you have taken in place of Izzy the RB in the 5th?

I'd have to go back amd listen but I thought we threw around a few names.

[Larz]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Disagreeing with a strategy is not the same as not understanding a strategy.

I thought they should have tried to win this season.  Some disagree.  To each his own.

They traded for a 39 year old QB to win next year? 
 

[AFJF]

29 minutes ago, Larz said:

They traded for a 39 year old QB to win next year? 
 

This is apparently what some people believe.  I expected them to try to win right away.  Not the case, apparently.

[Bowles Movement]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

I'd have to go back amd listen but I thought we threw around a few names.

Ill be honest   I didn't listen to all of it after I got your guests take, so maybe I missed it.

But You don't remember who you preferred at 15?

[AFJF]

5 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Ill be honest   I didn't listen to all of it after I got your guests take, so maybe I missed it.

But You don't remember who you preferred at 15?

Sorry, thought you were asking who he preferred.

I wanted JSN there.  Not a huge miss if you're all in on Randall Cobb, but I think JSN would've been better.

[Bowles Movement]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Sorry, thought you were asking who he preferred.

I wanted JSN there.  Not a huge miss if you're all in on Randall Cobb, but I think JSN would've been better.

I ask because your criticism of McDonald is that he wont play every snap.  I would argue that JSN wouldn't play all the time here either-with Hardman Davis Lazard and Wilson we have 4 professional WR with size and experience.  JSN wouldn't come in and kick one of them to the curb.  Frankly fwiw, I'm underwhelmed by JSN s speed and size combo too for the 15 th pick, but that's another story.

 Even if he did play every play in the slot, slot WRs don't play every down-There are many 2 WR alignments.  So aren't we back to your same issue with McDonald?

[Cyberjet]

1 hour ago, Bowles Movement said:

I ask because your criticism of McDonald is that he wont play every snap.  I would argue that JSN wouldn't play all the time here either-with Hardman Davis Lazard and Wilson we have 4 professional WR with size and experience.  JSN wouldn't come in and kick one of them to the curb.  Frankly fwiw, I'm underwhelmed by JSN s speed and size combo too for the 15 th pick, but that's another story.

 Even if he did play every play in the slot, slot WRs don't play every down-There are many 2 WR alignments.  So aren't we back to your same issue with McDonald?

I just don’t get the fact that somehow a draft is an immediate solution to put the team over the top - furthermore that JSN was the answer to that philosophy is just bizarre. Making the Jets ready for Rogers involves a multi focal approach which is exactly what Douglas is doing. Plus having Rodgers elevates the play of every offensive player and  makes our defense better simply by increasing offense time of possession and scoring more points

[Larz]

3 hours ago, AFJF said:

Sorry, thought you were asking who he preferred.

I wanted JSN there.  Not a huge miss if you're all in on Randall Cobb, but I think JSN would've been better.

The signings this week were not related to the draft. It’s after the period where they would count towards the compensation pick formula. 

[Larz]

4 hours ago, AFJF said:

This is apparently what some people believe.  I expected them to try to win right away.  Not the case, apparently.

Drafting a pass rusher that forces fumbles doesn’t help you win ? 

[AFJF]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

Drafting a pass rusher that forces fumbles doesn’t help you win ? 

Is that what I said?

I've literally been defending the McDonald pick from the second it was made and explained to people that having fresh pass rushers in the fourth quarter is a good thing.

However, having wide receivers who excel and creating immediate separation off the LOS is also a good thing and something that I believe would elevate this group from good/very good to great/elite.

Would've preferred they sign Ngakoue as a situational guy who has 19 sacks over the past two seasons and sign JSN to create a WR group that's incredibly difficult to defend.

The Jets chose to go with the long term project at edge and address slot by adding Cobb.

Hopefully one of the kids (Gipson) blows them away in camp and wins the slot job.

[AFJF]

3 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

I ask because your criticism of McDonald is that he wont play every snap.  I would argue that JSN wouldn't play all the time here either-with Hardman Davis Lazard and Wilson we have 4 professional WR with size and experience.  JSN wouldn't come in and kick one of them to the curb.  Frankly fwiw, I'm underwhelmed by JSN s speed and size combo too for the 15 th pick, but that's another story.

 Even if he did play every play in the slot, slot WRs don't play every down-There are many 2 WR alignments.  So aren't we back to your same issue with McDonald?

My criticism is not that he won't play every snap.  My criticism is that he will play a low number of snaps while a player like JSN would have played far more and therefore contributed far more this season.

[Bowles Movement]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

My criticism is not that he won't play every snap.  My criticism is that he will play a low number of snaps while a player like JSN would have played far more and therefore contributed far more this season.

I guess we can agree to disagree. 

We dont know how impactful JSN would be on this team or how many snaps that he would get.  And you dont know how many or few McDonald will get.  Its just your guess.

And I dont measure a player by how many snaps they take but rather what they do with those opportunities.