This roster has two weaknesses: LB & S

[Doggin94it]

Seriously, I know everyone on here has PTSD and a poverty mentality, but we are absolutely stacked up & down the roster. 

People are concerned about our OL depth? We have 4 OTs on the roster who have been at least functional NFL starters (Brown, Becton, Mitchell, Turner) and a fifth player (AVT) who played very well at tackle but we'd prefer to keep at OG. Depth beyond that is Ced Ogbuehi, a former 1st round bust who did a credible job as an emergency fill in last year, and Carter Warren, a rookie. Yes, Becton is injury prone and brown is old, but even so the odds against another injury apocalypse at OT are high. 

On the interior we need to see a bounce back year from Tomlinson, but again, our depth is above average. McGovern/Tippman (whoever doesn't start), Schweitzer, Turner and Colon can all play guard, and everyone but Turner can play C. No, that's not a list of all pros, but these are all players who can play the position without being completely overwhelmed, which is what you're looking for out of your depth. 

Our RB, WR, and TE rooms are loaded. Our DL is deep and skilled and the addition of woods just patched the one hole (run stuffer). Our CB group is the best in the league. 

As long as rodgers stays healthy, anything less than 10 wins and a deep post season run is a failure

[More Cowbell]

I think @32EBoozer and @FidelioJet really nailed what this teams weakness is. JN Zach hate. We are tearing apart team unity.  

[Larz]

I think they may be giving Sherwood and nas the opportunity to seize jobs with an eye toward bringing in a veteran in august if they don’t 

Safety could use a guy but who is out there?

FB is a need. Last year they practiced with a fullback all summer and when Bawden got hurt they just abandoned it 

 

RB could be a sleeper problem if Hall isn’t really ready for the opener. 

[Jet2020]

Don’t worry. I’ve heard Will Mcdonald can play either spot and be an absolute beast at it. He can even replace our punter. 

[LIJetsFan]

I think we are already going to have (good) problems in figuring out who to keep and who to cut.  This is the most stacked Roster I can recall, ever (I know, I know, on paper). 

[rangerous]

Is the lb position that different than last season? Kwon hasn’t been signed but they didn’t lose anyone else. Macdonald may be able fill one of the lab position and Sherwood and nasrildeen are still there. Maybe not so bad. As for safety, Joyner wasn’t that good and the new pickups might be okay. And maybe one of the bubble corners like hall may change position.

[BigRy56]

LB I feel will be addressed with resigning Kwon but safety I’m not sure the Jets are going to address heading into the season. They seem good with what they have 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

All signs point to the Jets liking Tony Adams at free safety.

Is he a weakness?  I’d reframe it as he’s one of the Jets biggest bets of the off-season (behind Rodgers of course).

We have 2 strong safeties (Whitehead & Clark) who can do different things well.  Not overly worried ..  Whitehead should be better in year 2 and both are in contract years.

So Safety is what it is .. if Tony Adams is what they think he is (after ignoring the FS spot in FA and the top/middle of the draft), maybe we’ll be talking about it as a strength.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

At linebacker, Chuck Clark is going to take a lot of Kwon’s reps.  Their strengths match up, even if their overall size/weight doesn’t.

- Cover the tight end

- In the box run support.  Clark historically is actually better than Alexander here

Sherwood is the wildcard.  He’s flashed in the preseason but hasn’t had a prolonged chance to show what he can do in real games.  I can see him taking Kwon’s spot and/or backing up all 3 linebacker spots.

I don’t think Kwon is coming back ..

[Doggin94it]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

I think they may be giving Sherwood and nas the opportunity to seize jobs with an eye toward bringing in a veteran in august if they don’t 

Safety could use a guy but who is out there?

FB is a need. Last year they practiced with a fullback all summer and when Bawden got hurt they just abandoned it 

 

RB could be a sleeper problem if Hall isn’t really ready for the opener. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hackett use Ruckert as an H-Back

[playtowinthegame]

Why not bring back Kwon on a 1 year deal?

[THE BARON]

Every team has weaknesses.   The key now is that, it does not matter so much for the Jets.  Once you have a good QB, you can and will overcome a roster that is a few players short of being ideal.

Rodgers fixes EVERYTHING. 

[Jethead]

19 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

At linebacker, Chuck Clark is going to take a lot of Kwon’s reps.  Their strengths match up, even if their overall size/weight doesn’t.

- Cover the tight end

- In the box run support.  Clark historically is actually better than Alexander here

Sherwood is the wildcard.  He’s flashed in the preseason but hasn’t had a prolonged chance to show what he can do in real games.  I can see him taking Kwon’s spot and/or backing up all 3 linebacker spots.

I don’t think Kwon is coming back ..

Between the 53 man and the PS hard to imagine we aren't a better team with Kwon in the mix. Hope he returns. If all the kiddos outperform him that's another story.

[pointman]

The thought of ashtyn davis makes me

 

[RutgersJetFan]

I appreciate the sentiment here but the way my cycle of fandom works goes:

January to March - Deep-seeded hatred, self-loathing, and resentment towards my father for being stuck with this franchise.

April to June - Pithy indignation towards anyone that tries to tell me the Jets drafted well 

July - September - I convince myself that they have some good pieces for 1) Setting themselves up for building blocks, or 2) Making a run

October - December - I begin asking myself why I'm wasting Sundays with this stuff, and with few exceptions stop watching. 

You're way ahead of schedule. This is late July/August stuff. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

2 minutes ago, pointman said:

The thought of ashtyn davis makes me

 

You mean Ashtyn Closer Davis. Show some respect. 

[Flashlite80]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

I think they may be giving Sherwood and nas the opportunity to seize jobs with an eye toward bringing in a veteran in august if they don’t 

Safety could use a guy but who is out there?

FB is a need. Last year they practiced with a fullback all summer and when Bawden got hurt they just abandoned it 

 

RB could be a sleeper problem if Hall isn’t really ready for the opener. 

The Jets re-signed Nick Bawden.  Here is a comment on his effectiveness.  "Bawden has been creating a ton of space for the Jets’ run game. He owns a Pro Football Focus run-blocking grade of 86.4 this season, which ranks second-best among the 19 NFL fullbacks with at least 30 run-blocking snaps this season. Only Baltimore’s Patrick Ricard (88.3) sits above Bawden."

LaFleur didn't use the FB very often, but it looks like we have a good one when needed.

[MichaelScott]

...LT, RT, WR, RB depth. Possibly C but give them the benefit of the doubt on that and this team still has 4-5 glaring holes.

[Bobby816]

Kwon and Rapp

[Larz]

4 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said:

The Jets re-signed Nick Bawden.  Here is a comment on his effectiveness.  "Bawden has been creating a ton of space for the Jets’ run game. He owns a Pro Football Focus run-blocking grade of 86.4 this season, which ranks second-best among the 19 NFL fullbacks with at least 30 run-blocking snaps this season. Only Baltimore’s Patrick Ricard (88.3) sits above Bawden."

LaFleur didn't use the FB very often, but it looks like we have a good one when needed.

He’s not reliable enough from an injury standpoint. I think they need another guy in camp. 

[Larz]

21 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hackett use Ruckert as an H-Back

Entirely possible, he seemed to do well at the end of the season but I’m just saying bawden isn’t really reliable 

[PepPep]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

I think they may be giving Sherwood and nas the opportunity to seize jobs with an eye toward bringing in a veteran in august if they don’t 

Safety could use a guy but who is out there?

FB is a need. Last year they practiced with a fullback all summer and when Bawden got hurt they just abandoned it 

 

RB could be a sleeper problem if Hall isn’t really ready for the opener. 

I think RB could be a sleeper solution because Israel Abanikanda is a beast. lol

LB will be interesting. My thinking is that the Jets will primarily use TWO LBs and play a ton of Nickel mixed in with a good amount of Dime and Wide Nine (where one of the LBs will be an Edge -JJ or McDonald). Of course, their base will  be a 4-3 so that means 3 LBs and someone will need to man the 3rd LB spot. Sherwood and Barnes immediately come to mind. But there's a good chance Clark ends up manning that spot.  

Safety, indeed is a weakness. The one true weakness on the team is a legit roaming FS. We simply don't have a good one. This is a guy I would expect the Jets to keep looking for in FA. They signed Trey Dean III to big UDFA money. JBC is a fast, athletic, rangy CB who played Safety at OSU and I would imagine was drafted to vie for the position. And then there's Ash Davis and Will Parks who should get a shot to start. But unless the Jets sign a proven vet, this position will probably be a question mark heading into camp. 

[sec101row23]

If you’re going to be weak at certain defensive position groups, LBer and S are the preferred ones.  Strength at Corner and Edge are way more important and something this roster hasn’t had in a long time.  Too many years this team’s  “strengths” were the least valuable position groups.   Now it’s finally shifted in the right direction.  

[Flashlite80]

30 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

At linebacker, Chuck Clark is going to take a lot of Kwon’s reps.  Their strengths match up, even if their overall size/weight doesn’t.

- Cover the tight end

- In the box run support.  Clark historically is actually better than Alexander here

Sherwood is the wildcard.  He’s flashed in the preseason but hasn’t had a prolonged chance to show what he can do in real games.  I can see him taking Kwon’s spot and/or backing up all 3 linebacker spots.

I don’t think Kwon is coming back ..

I think Clark is an upgrade over Kwon in pass coverage,  While he is a significant upgrade in the run game over Whitehead, he is not nearly the run support of Kwon.

I would prefer Kwon and Clark over Clark and Whitehead any day.  Clark is a very good box safety and very good covering the tight end.  Kwon is the better linebacker and pretty good in coverage for a linebacker.  Whitehead is the weaker option in coverage and is a poor tackler.  He misses way too many tackles, preferring to throw a shoulder rather than wrap up.  Signing Woods is a nice upgrade in the run defense.  Kwon/Clark vs Clark/Whitehead would be just a big.

If they drop Whitehead, the save $7MM cap.  That should be more than enough to re-sign Kwon and add another free safety to battle Adams.

[slats]

The LB they took in the sixth round, Zaire Barnes, was arguably their biggest reach of the draft. The one blurb I read (I think on CBS) said he had some coverage skills, and that’s probably what got him drafted. I don’t worry about LB too much because they don’t seem to, either, and their base defense is generally 4-2-5 (so much so that Ourlads doesn’t even list a strong side LB on their Jets depth chart). I’m surprised to see some of you referring to Clark as a LB solution, I though he was brought in to be a SS solution. 
 
Carrying a FB is no lock, imho. They have four TEs that they could easily carry, four RBs, too. I don’t know if they’ll be willing to expose Kuntz to waivers. That’ll come down to how well he progresses in camp, I imagine. 

[Gastineau Lives]

2 hours ago, Jet2020 said:

Don’t worry. I’ve heard Will Mcdonald can play either spot and be an absolute beast at it. He can even replace our punter. 

I sense sarcasm

[slimjasi]

2 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

I think @32EBoozer and @FidelioJet really nailed what this teams weakness is. JN Zach hate. We are tearing apart team unity.  

Yes, the "toxic fans" on JN ruined our 20200 playoff run!

[RedBeardedSavage]

47 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

If you’re going to be weak at certain defensive position groups, LBer and S are the preferred ones.  Strength at Corner and Edge are way more important and something this roster hasn’t had in a long time.  Too many years this team’s  “strengths” were the least valuable position groups.   Now it’s finally shifted in the right direction.  

JD whiffed on Becton and Wilson, and deserves the criticism for that, but the biggest positive change this organization has made during his tenure is that the Jets finally prioritize the correct positional groups.

So while the results have been mixed, the process is finally good. 

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

JD whiffed on Becton and Wilson, and deserves the criticism for that, but the biggest positive change this organization has made during his tenure is that the Jets finally prioritize the correct positional groups.

So while the results have been mixed, the process is finally good. 

perfectly said. 

Since JD has been here, we have taken Becton, Mims, ZW, AVT, Moore, Sauce, GW, Hall, McDonald, and Tippman with our first and second round picks. 7 of the 9 play premium positions, and among the other two, AVT can play tackle in a pinch and Tippman plays a position that we have been meh or worse at since 2016. 

[kevinc855]

If you are attacking the Jets its through over the middle short routes and screens. Luckily, we have taken away the edges and I feel tightened up our run stop with DT and the line. One can argue weak safeties also make you vulnerable to the long ball but if the pass rush gets its desired result it helps take away that threat through time the QB has the ball. It's a defense that makes you dink and dunk and EARN points. With A Rod on the other side Jets keeping opponets to 17 and under most Sundays may be a recipe to a GREAT season. I feel good, but yes a little safety help would not hurt. Hoping for a better year from Williams at LB as well. 

[The Crusher]

3 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Seriously, I know everyone on here has PTSD and a poverty mentality, but we are absolutely stacked up & down the roster. 

People are concerned about our OL depth? We have 4 OTs on the roster who have been at least functional NFL starters (Brown, Becton, Mitchell, Turner) and a fifth player (AVT) who played very well at tackle but we'd prefer to keep at OG. Depth beyond that is Ced Ogbuehi, a former 1st round bust who did a credible job as an emergency fill in last year, and Carter Warren, a rookie. Yes, Becton is injury prone and brown is old, but even so the odds against another injury apocalypse at OT are high. 

On the interior we need to see a bounce back year from Tomlinson, but again, our depth is above average. McGovern/Tippman (whoever doesn't start), Schweitzer, Turner and Colon can all play guard, and everyone but Turner can play C. No, that's not a list of all pros, but these are all players who can play the position without being completely overwhelmed, which is what you're looking for out of your depth. 

Our RB, WR, and TE rooms are loaded. Our DL is deep and skilled and the addition of woods just patched the one hole (run stuffer). Our CB group is the best in the league. 

As long as rodgers stays healthy, anything less than 10 wins and a deep post season run is a failure

Uhh, did I miss the part about linebackers and safeties? LOL

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, slats said:

The LB they took in the sixth round, Zaire Barnes, was arguably their biggest reach of the draft. The one blurb I read (I think on CBS) said he had some coverage skills, and that’s probably what got him drafted. I don’t worry about LB too much because they don’t seem to, either, and their base defense is generally 4-2-5 (so much so that Ourlads doesn’t even list a strong side LB on their Jets depth chart). I’m surprised to see some of you referring to Clark as a LB solution, I though he was brought in to be a SS solution. 
 
Carrying a FB is no lock, imho. They have four TEs that they could easily carry, four RBs, too. I don’t know if they’ll be willing to expose Kuntz to waivers. That’ll come down to how well he progresses in camp, I imagine. 

I suddenly got the urge to go to the bank and get 100 singles.

                                          - @CTM 

[rex-n-effect]

Every team has soft spots on the roster that coaching has to shore up with play designs. Is this a DC that can effectively do that or is this another Rex team that gets killed in the middle of the field? 

I'm still concerned about the OL until I get to see the unit perform. Sure the roster looks serviceable but that was the consensus this time last year, too. I suspect, injuries aside, the scheme and coaching had a lot to do with the problems at OL. Hopefully that is a resolved problem.

[#27TheDominator]

3 hours ago, slats said:

The LB they took in the sixth round, Zaire Barnes, was arguably their biggest reach of the draft. The one blurb I read (I think on CBS) said he had some coverage skills, and that’s probably what got him drafted. I don’t worry about LB too much because they don’t seem to, either, and their base defense is generally 4-2-5 (so much so that Ourlads doesn’t even list a strong side LB on their Jets depth chart). I’m surprised to see some of you referring to Clark as a LB solution, I though he was brought in to be a SS solution. 
 
Carrying a FB is no lock, imho. They have four TEs that they could easily carry, four RBs, too. I don’t know if they’ll be willing to expose Kuntz to waivers. That’ll come down to how well he progresses in camp, I imagine. 

I think the thing with Clark is that they will be able to play more interchangeably at safety.  Clark and Whitehead both will be able to play more as thumpers than Joyner, so that should help up front.  I don't think they will call him a linebacker, but I think having him will allow them to play an extra safety instead of LB without feeling like the run D is in the toilet.  So they will more likely to do it on plays that are not obviously passing downs. I would like to have Alexander back, but it is basically time to sh*t or get off the pot for Sherwood and Nasrildeen.  If they don't deserve to get on the field now, they are useless.  

FB is one of the things i wonder about.  They have Bawden and I think Ruckert can play some FB or H back.  It will be interesting to see how much they use it.  I am doubting them exposing Kuntz, unless he is hurt or really shows nothing, so you are correct.  There are a bunch of bodies for those spots.  They will cut a guy that another team will take a look at, unless it is Bawden because there are only a few teams even interested in a true FB.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

4 hours ago, slats said:

The LB they took in the sixth round, Zaire Barnes, was arguably their biggest reach of the draft. The one blurb I read (I think on CBS) said he had some coverage skills, and that’s probably what got him drafted. I don’t worry about LB too much because they don’t seem to, either, and their base defense is generally 4-2-5 (so much so that Ourlads doesn’t even list a strong side LB on their Jets depth chart). I’m surprised to see some of you referring to Clark as a LB solution, I though he was brought in to be a SS solution. 
 
Carrying a FB is no lock, imho. They have four TEs that they could easily carry, four RBs, too. I don’t know if they’ll be willing to expose Kuntz to waivers. That’ll come down to how well he progresses in camp, I imagine. 

I've been espousing the Clark playing Kwon's role because he is one of the most versatile strong safeties in the league who plays best in the box.  Call him a safety, linebacker ... doesn't matter.  I just see him being on the field in a similar situation to Kwon last year.  That's to cover the tight end (often in man) and to tackle the running back.

I believe he'll also back-up Whitehead at strong safety in the 4-2-5.  

But I think it will be foolish to start both Whitehead and Clark in a 2 or 3 deep zone.  Neither has great range ... that should be a role reserved for Tony Adams.