A momentum shift in SOJ … ??

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Let me start by stating the obvious … the Jets have sucked for the vast majority of the last 12 years.

So it’s understandable for many to be skeptical about anything they do.  “Same old Jets”  “such a Jetsy thing” … where are the wins?

JD’s first draft and the Zach selection do NOT help this narrative.  Last year’s win total in a year that should have resulted in a 500+ record was a reflection of those early mistakes.  

Since the Zach miss, I’m kind of liking the momentum I see in talent acquisition.  

Looking back at this off-season, some interesting SOJ thoughts by some on this board that are being dispelled.

1. We will not get a reputable Offensive Coordinator  (wrong)

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

4. Maybe he’s interested but look at his DEMANDS  ..  (wrong, more like a wish list)

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

7. JD and Saleh are in desperate win this year or get fired mode!  Everything is about winning this year!!  (meh .. JD looks to be taking a methodical balanced approach)

8. The Patriots screwed the Jets and caused them to reach .. (maybe, maybe not .. depends on the actual facts and your personal narrative)

——————————————

Exciting times!  Let’s continue to contradict the SOJ mentality..

[Beerfish]

Win some games and make the playoffs, until then none of the above matters at all.

[Larz]

The national media declared the Jets Super Bowl contenders, then started hating on them. It’s time the fans let go of battered jets fan syndrome and started to embrace this team. 
 

We still have to get to the first PS game to know anything, but not so long ago we were discussing teddy 2 gloves, Mayfield, and Wentz as emergency plans if Rodgers retired or the 49ers or whatever.  
 

not only did we get Rodgers, he’s super psyched to be here. I mean he’s legit over the moon happy, and he has a chip on his shoulder and something to prove 

 

 

 

[UnknownJetFan]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Let me start by stating the obvious … the Jets have sucked for the vast majority of the last 12 years.

So it’s understandable for many to be skeptical about anything they do.  “Same old Jets”  “such a Jetsy thing” … where are the wins?

JD’s first draft and the Zach selection do NOT help this narrative.  Last year’s win total in a year that should have resulted in a 500+ record was a reflection of those early mistakes.  

Since the Zach miss, I’m kind of liking the momentum I see in talent acquisition.  

Looking back at this off-season, some interesting SOJ thoughts by some on this board that are being dispelled.

1. We will not get a reputable Offensive Coordinator  (wrong)

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

4. Maybe he’s interested but look at his DEMANDS  ..  (wrong, more like a wish list)

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

7. JD and Saleh are in desperate win this year or get fired mode!  Everything is about winning this year!!  (meh .. JD looks to be taking a methodical balanced approach)

8. The Patriots screwed the Jets and caused them to reach .. (maybe, maybe not .. depends on the actual facts and your personal narrative)

——————————————

Exciting times!  Let’s continue to contradict the SOJ mentality..

Not sure I get the logic of 8 as far as the outcome nobody is looking at. In the end instead of getting the 4th OT taken, Jets got the 1st Edge Rusher taken. 

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

I think there were only a small handful of people that said or really believed this (at least not since the end of the last season)   It's been pretty darn clear for a quite a long time the Jets were brining in a veteran to start this year.

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

Most everyone understood we were making a move and getting one of three guys was the overall understanding here.  It ended up being Rodgers - but few completely ruled him out - the discussion was mostly about which of the 3 will we end up with.

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

We are absolutely mortgaging our future - well, certainly taking out a pretty big loan against it.  I know a lot of people keep saying swapping 1's, a second round draft pick and a 1st round pick isn't a lot.  I believe it is.

And $110mm over two years is a lot.

 I'm not even saying it's not worth it, I think the chance is absolutely worth taking - but w are giving up an awful lot for a one year (maybe two) of a soon to be 40 year old QB.  

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

Unfortunately I do not believe AR will play for $1 - $2mm this year - And I absolutely don't believe it to be a "fact" 

And Rodgers playing one year - IMO is still the more likely scenario.  

Let's see what the contract looks like when done, but Rodgers isn't going to leave $108mm on table just because he likes going to Knicks games. 

_____________________________________________________

I appreciate the optimism, there does seem to be a lot of things going right right now for the Jets and much of what you wrote to accurate - but I just think there's a bit of revisionist history here.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Win some games and make the playoffs, until then none of the above matters at all.

Same exact thread is made every off season. And those who express skepticism are tarred and feathered.

Now, personally, I do have optimism for the season. The most since the 2010 off season, when I hoped Sanchez could make a leap and be the final missing piece.

But I sure don’t fault anyone for needing wins before they allow themselves any positive thought about this team.

[Larz]

He looks like one of us getting the job for crying out loud lol. He’s living the dream 
 

 

[Larz]

Aaron Rodgers ;

 

 

Jets fans ;

“Ain’t winning nothing without JSN”

[shawn306]

I’ll embrace this team when it hosts a playoff game. 
 

Until then SOJ

[SackExchangeNYJ]

SOJ is cultural. It is ingrained in American society and the media to rip on everything the Jets do. I don't think winning would even cure it.

Last time the Jets were good was in Rex's first couple seasons. What did the media talk about? The Jets winning? No, they talked about Rex's wife's feet.

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said:

SOJ is cultural. It is ingrained in American society and the media to rip on everything the Jets do. I don't think winning would even cure it.

Last time the Jets were good was in Rex's first couple seasons. What did the media talk about? The Jets winning? No, they talked about Rex's wife's feet.

I think Rex brought it up first. 

[SackExchangeNYJ]

4 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I think Rex brought it up first. 

Really? My memory isn't that great, but if it was...why in Hades would he do that?

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Let me start by stating the obvious … the Jets have sucked for the vast majority of the last 12 years.

So it’s understandable for many to be skeptical about anything they do.  “Same old Jets”  “such a Jetsy thing” … where are the wins?

JD’s first draft and the Zach selection do NOT help this narrative.  Last year’s win total in a year that should have resulted in a 500+ record was a reflection of those early mistakes.  

Since the Zach miss, I’m kind of liking the momentum I see in talent acquisition.  

Looking back at this off-season, some interesting SOJ thoughts by some on this board that are being dispelled.

1. We will not get a reputable Offensive Coordinator  (wrong)

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

4. Maybe he’s interested but look at his DEMANDS  ..  (wrong, more like a wish list)

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

7. JD and Saleh are in desperate win this year or get fired mode!  Everything is about winning this year!!  (meh .. JD looks to be taking a methodical balanced approach)

8. The Patriots screwed the Jets and caused them to reach .. (maybe, maybe not .. depends on the actual facts and your personal narrative)

——————————————

Exciting times!  Let’s continue to contradict the SOJ mentality..

You can Wilson a miss but the real miss was having milfy as offensive coordinator. I guess you can say hiring a newbie coach and letting him select his staff is also a soj type of thing. And you can also say the same about Douglas.  They’ve pretty much had first time GMs since dick steinberg.

[Warfish]

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Looking back at this off-season, some interesting SOJ thoughts by some on this board that are being dispelled.

1. We will not get a reputable Offensive Coordinator  (wrong)

Never said it.  But I did express cynicism over the Hackett hire, because I frankly don't think his resume proves he is a good OC.

But his O produced when he was with Rodgers, and was a big part (apparently) is getting him, so ok, we'll see.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

I was half right, half wrong.  I did think there was a good chance we ended up with Zach starting again, because it's clear JD loves him still.

But I was 100% sure we were keeping him rostered.  To be clear, he doesn't deserve to be, and most teams would move on from a Wilson/Rosen type bust rather than keep him.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

Yup, I was wrong on this one.  Early on I thought they'd talk a good game about "trying" to get Rodgers, fail, and just start Wilson.

Clearly wrong on this one.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

4. Maybe he’s interested but look at his DEMANDS  ..  (wrong, more like a wish list)

I never really got into "his demands" as an issue.  He wants his guys, that's typical of HOF vets.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

There are no victory laps on this question yet.  TBD.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

There are no victory laps on this question yet.  TBD.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

7. JD and Saleh are in desperate win this year or get fired mode!  Everything is about winning this year!!  (meh .. JD looks to be taking a methodical balanced approach)

Clearly they're in win-now mode, and it's clearly because this is the year before JD becomes a lame duck and would be extended or fired (typically) and JD's been told he has to win now.   There are no big moves we could have afforded that we didn't make because of this supposed "methodical/not win now" idea of yours. 

Rodgers WAS the win-now move, and it's clearly a win now at all short-term-costs move.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

8. The Patriots screwed the Jets and caused them to reach .. (maybe, maybe not .. depends on the actual facts and your personal narrative)

I don't get into the "but what if the Pats...." or "the Pats screwed us" talk, it's silly.

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Exciting times!  Let’s continue to contradict the SOJ mentality..

You know what would do that best, far better than fans taking victory laps in early May?

Winning alot of games.  Producing a top 5 or top 10 Offense.  Making the playoffs.

Having an actual future QB somewhere for the not-too-distant After-Rodgers time period would be good too.

Those kinds of things.  Actual, tangible results do more than 100 homer victory lap over the cynics threads.

[The Crusher]

20 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said:

Really? My memory isn't that great, but if it was...why in Hades would he do that?

Kinda got away from him I guess. 

[Green Ghost]

4 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Let me start by stating the obvious … the Jets have sucked for the vast majority of the last 12 years.

So it’s understandable for many to be skeptical about anything they do.  “Same old Jets”  “such a Jetsy thing” … where are the wins?

JD’s first draft and the Zach selection do NOT help this narrative.  Last year’s win total in a year that should have resulted in a 500+ record was a reflection of those early mistakes.  

Since the Zach miss, I’m kind of liking the momentum I see in talent acquisition.  

Looking back at this off-season, some interesting SOJ thoughts by some on this board that are being dispelled.

1. We will not get a reputable Offensive Coordinator  (wrong)

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

4. Maybe he’s interested but look at his DEMANDS  ..  (wrong, more like a wish list)

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

7. JD and Saleh are in desperate win this year or get fired mode!  Everything is about winning this year!!  (meh .. JD looks to be taking a methodical balanced approach)

8. The Patriots screwed the Jets and caused them to reach .. (maybe, maybe not .. depends on the actual facts and your personal narrative)

——————————————

Exciting times!  Let’s continue to contradict the SOJ mentality..

Again with this nonsense? It’s May. What is wrong with you people?

[jetsons]

A momentum shift in SOJ … ??...

[IndianaJet]

17 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Let me start by stating the obvious … the Jets have sucked for the vast majority of the last 12 years.

So it’s understandable for many to be skeptical about anything they do.  “Same old Jets”  “such a Jetsy thing” … where are the wins?

JD’s first draft and the Zach selection do NOT help this narrative.  Last year’s win total in a year that should have resulted in a 500+ record was a reflection of those early mistakes.  

Since the Zach miss, I’m kind of liking the momentum I see in talent acquisition.  

Looking back at this off-season, some interesting SOJ thoughts by some on this board that are being dispelled.

1. We will not get a reputable Offensive Coordinator  (wrong)

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

4. Maybe he’s interested but look at his DEMANDS  ..  (wrong, more like a wish list)

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

7. JD and Saleh are in desperate win this year or get fired mode!  Everything is about winning this year!!  (meh .. JD looks to be taking a methodical balanced approach)

8. The Patriots screwed the Jets and caused them to reach .. (maybe, maybe not .. depends on the actual facts and your personal narrative)

——————————————

Exciting times!  Let’s continue to contradict the SOJ mentality..

You'll be the first to scream the sky is falling when Cimini reports that Rodger's first training camp pass fell incomplete.

[JetsFanatic]

The only thing that will change this culture is winning games. It’s been a good off season and we have every reason to believe things are changing, but until they win it’s all lip service.

[jtomm]

14 hours ago, shawn306 said:

I’ll embrace this team when it hosts a playoff game. 
 

Until then SOJ

[#27TheDominator]

16 hours ago, Larz said:

He looks like one of us getting the job for crying out loud lol. He’s living the dream 
 

 

Don't know about you, but in my dreams I am not fondling Wes Schweitzer's ass!

[#27TheDominator]

I think any talking about what it cost us is premature.  We don't fully know what we are going to get.  So far, it is a the honeymoon period and everything seems great.  Who knows what will happen at the first sign of adversity or if he will stick around for another year or two past this one?  He restructured his deal to facilitate the trade.  Nobody expects it to stay this way.  At some point it will get redone again.  At that point you can start talking a little more seriously about his plans, but right now it is a bit early. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

14 hours ago, Warfish said:

Never said it.  But I did express cynicism over the Hackett hire, because I frankly don't think his resume proves he is a good OC.

But his O produced when he was with Rodgers, and was a big part (apparently) is getting him, so ok, we'll see.

I was half right, half wrong.  I did think there was a good chance we ended up with Zach starting again, because it's clear JD loves him still.

But I was 100% sure we were keeping him rostered.  To be clear, he doesn't deserve to be, and most teams would move on from a Wilson/Rosen type bust rather than keep him.

Yup, I was wrong on this one.  Early on I thought they'd talk a good game about "trying" to get Rodgers, fail, and just start Wilson.

Clearly wrong on this one.

I never really got into "his demands" as an issue.  He wants his guys, that's typical of HOF vets.

There are no victory laps on this question yet.  TBD.

There are no victory laps on this question yet.  TBD.

Clearly they're in win-now mode, and it's clearly because this is the year before JD becomes a lame duck and would be extended or fired (typically) and JD's been told he has to win now.   There are no big moves we could have afforded that we didn't make because of this supposed "methodical/not win now" idea of yours. 

Rodgers WAS the win-now move, and it's clearly a win now at all short-term-costs move.

I don't get into the "but what if the Pats...." or "the Pats screwed us" talk, it's silly.

You know what would do that best, far better than fans taking victory laps in early May?

Winning alot of games.  Producing a top 5 or top 10 Offense.  Making the playoffs.

Having an actual future QB somewhere for the not-too-distant After-Rodgers time period would be good too.

Those kinds of things.  Actual, tangible results do more than 100 homer victory lap over the cynics threads.

To be fair, I'm not taking victory laps ... read all my caveats.

I just think there are real reasons to be optimistic.  @Larz wrote it best when mentioning how happy and motivated Aaron Rodgers looks to be a Jet.  This by itself is far different than what I remember out of Favre ... even at the beginning.

So we'll see if this is a start of a change to the SOJ mentality.  My original post had a question mark, not an exclamation point.

As for tea leaves, his ongoing contract revision / discussions are telling me it's not the one & done at a huge dead cap hit many of us feared it would be.  His feedback to media, comments about feeling re-energized, and other things are pointing me in that direction as well.  We'll see ultimately what the contract looks like and how long he plays ... but I'm really enjoying the early indicators that might suggest this is different than Favre.

 

[Bobby816]

Have to play in the AFCDG or better for this season to not be a failure IMO. Ideally SB

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

43 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

You'll be the first to scream the sky is falling when Cimini reports that Rodger's first training camp pass fell incomplete.

Haha, that's not true :).

I tend to stay in the middle, with a lean toward positive.

Zach was different last year.  People were legitimately worried that he had the YIPS.   I still think that was the reason for his issues .. never saw someone who struggled so much to hit a basic NFL throw.

[UntouchableCrew]

I mean, a lot of this remains to be seen. Really depends on how the next 2-3 years plays out.

If we win the Super Bowl SOJ basically dies on the spot.

If Rodgers' run here ends up like Favre's it's the most SOJ stuff ever.

[Rhg1084]

Jets are going to be REALLY good this year and our fans aren’t going to know how to react. We’re not used to success 

[NIGHT STALKER]

18 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Win some games and make the playoffs, until then none of the above matters at all.

Yep, it's all about winning games and what comes with it.  I've been a Jets fan since '64 and for a few hiccups here and there, the Jets have sucked and hence the moniker SOJ.  That can quickly change this season or at least put us on the path of ditching SOJ...it's wait and see for this old timer.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

19 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Let me start by stating the obvious … the Jets have sucked for the vast majority of the last 12 years.

So it’s understandable for many to be skeptical about anything they do.  “Same old Jets”  “such a Jetsy thing” … where are the wins?

JD’s first draft and the Zach selection do NOT help this narrative.  Last year’s win total in a year that should have resulted in a 500+ record was a reflection of those early mistakes.  

Since the Zach miss, I’m kind of liking the momentum I see in talent acquisition.  

Looking back at this off-season, some interesting SOJ thoughts by some on this board that are being dispelled.

1. We will not get a reputable Offensive Coordinator  (wrong)

2. Read the tea leaves … Zach will be our 2023 QB (wrong)

3. We are NOT getting Aaron Rodgers (wrong)

4. Maybe he’s interested but look at his DEMANDS  ..  (wrong, more like a wish list)

5. We are getting him but are mortgaging the future given his contract   (wrong … look at his ongoing contract restructuring)

6. One and done!  He said he was 90% retired (wrong.. people say a lot of things .. fact is AR is not playing for $1-2M this year and then retiring)

7. JD and Saleh are in desperate win this year or get fired mode!  Everything is about winning this year!!  (meh .. JD looks to be taking a methodical balanced approach)

8. The Patriots screwed the Jets and caused them to reach .. (maybe, maybe not .. depends on the actual facts and your personal narrative)

——————————————

Exciting times!  Let’s continue to contradict the SOJ mentality..

The SOJ mentality is a loser mentality happens to any team that sucks for a long time, the SOJF is exactly an example of this. And even now on the cusp of greatness they are still there complaining and whining about nothing. It will go away soon

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I just think there are real reasons to be optimistic.

Apart from @bitonti and maybe a very small group of others, I think this is a universal sentiment.  Almost everyone, myself included, thinks there are reasons to be optimistic for 2023.  That's inherent in trading for Aaron Rodgers.

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

  @Larz wrote it best when mentioning how happy and motivated Aaron Rodgers looks to be a Jet.  This by itself is far different than what I remember out of Favre ... even at the beginning.

Rodgers =/= Favre

Similar pathways, different in almost every other way.

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

So we'll see if this is a start of a change to the SOJ mentality.  My original post had a question mark, not an exclamation point.

As noted, the only thing that will change so-called SOJ cynicism/doubt is winning, and then consistent winning over a long period of time.  Even then, people who are inherently cynics in their lives will still be cynics.  

Things earned over 50 years don't go away just because Rodgers might start the year 2-0 or something, lol.

Wanting to "change SOJ mentality" is akin to wanting to count the number of angels that can dance on a the head of a pin.....pointless.  

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

As for tea leaves, his ongoing contract revision / discussions are telling me it's not the one & done at a huge dead cap hit many of us feared it would be.  His feedback to media, comments about feeling re-energized, and other things are pointing me in that direction as well.  We'll see ultimately what the contract looks like and how long he plays ... but I'm really enjoying the early indicators that might suggest this is different than Favre.

We know nothing.  Rodgers will be Rodgers, and every year his decision making will be a fluid and independent thing.

I'm hopeful it's a minimum of two years, and will ultimately be structured that way.  But only Rodgers knows, and I strongly doubt he knows yet what he'll want to do in the summer of 2024 yet.  As he himself has said.

[bitonti]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Apart from @bitonti and maybe a very small group of others, I think this is a universal sentiment.  

I'm very much looking forward to watching the Jets go 8-9 

[Warfish]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Quote

Apart from @bitonti .....

I'm very much looking forward to watching the Jets go 8-9 

Like I said, apart from @bitonti .....

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

43 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Apart from @bitonti and maybe a very small group of others, I think this is a universal sentiment.  Almost everyone, myself included, thinks there are reasons to be optimistic for 2023.  That's inherent in trading for Aaron Rodgers.

Rodgers =/= Favre

Similar pathways, different in almost every other way.

As noted, the only thing that will change so-called SOJ cynicism/doubt is winning, and then consistent winning over a long period of time.  Even then, people who are inherently cynics in their lives will still be cynics.  

Things earned over 50 years don't go away just because Rodgers might start the year 2-0 or something, lol.

Wanting to "change SOJ mentality" is akin to wanting to count the number of angels that can dance on a the head of a pin.....pointless.  

We know nothing.  Rodgers will be Rodgers, and every year his decision making will be a fluid and independent thing.

I'm hopeful it's a minimum of two years, and will ultimately be structured that way.  But only Rodgers knows, and I strongly doubt he knows yet what he'll want to do in the summer of 2024 yet.  As he himself has said.

I don’t care about the fan’s mentality, I care about the team’s decisions which lead to that mentality.

There is a reason why fans have been saying SOJ ..  that’s because the Jets ownership/management have been mostly inept thru their history.

So if the Jets are able to get a guy like Aaron Rodgers, there must be a hundred things wrong with the deal.

“No way he’s choosing us, look at him stringing us along, look at his list of demands, 1 & done, salary cap hell”.

That doesn’t seem to be the case here and that in itself is a change from some of the desperate SOJ moves we are all used to.

Favre and Rodgers to the Jets are fair benchmarks and I never got the sense Favre was all in .. or even enjoyed being a Jet.  Rodgers seems to want to be a Jet and might be helping build a winner by taking less upfront and possibly total money (TBD) .. I mean these are the Jets we are talking about, a team that has historically needed to overpay to get players.

We might ultimately find out Rodgers is playing us or doesn’t have anything left in the tank but right now I choose to be cautiously optimistic that Douglas and Saleh know what they are doing, something that could lead to a successful season and possibly multi year run.

Would I bet on it?  Nahh .. my own SOJ mentality takes me to a place where all our top players will get injured ..

For now, it’s exciting that JD & Saleh have acquired a motivated and happy franchise QB in a fair trade .. having read his market & motivations well .. having lined up the pieces beforehand .. things that would have likely been already ****ed up at this stage.

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

DEATH - TAXES - AND THE NY JETS

[AZSOJ]

My old moniker was SOJ which became AZSOJ.  With over 50 + years of watching this chit show I can finally say, I am looking forward to the season expecting better things (wins instead of losses) rather then hoping for the best but expect the worst.