Mo Vaughn syndrome

[roscoeword]

That's what it's called when you get old players, and they just don't have it anymore, like the Mets did (and they still do.) And when the Nets sold the farm for a couple of over the hill Boston Celtics... these things rarely work out (maybe Brady is one of the few examples it did)... To me, the Farve thing was no good, Pennington was better than him at that point, he proved it with Miami. I hate getting over the hills guys and giving up assets for them. It's the move of a loser.

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, roscoeword said:

That's what it's called when you get old players, and they just don't have it anymore, like the Mets did (and they still do.) And when the Nets sold the farm for a couple of over the hill Boston Celtics... these things rarely work out (maybe Brady is one of the few examples it did)... To me, the Farve thing was no good, Pennington was better than him at that point, he proved it with Miami. I hate getting over the hills guys and giving up assets for them. It's the move of a loser.

Tampa Bay won a Superbowl with Tom Brady recently.  Or did you miss it?

[Skeptable]

1 minute ago, Dcat said:

Tampa Bay won a Superbowl with Tom Brady recently.  Or did you miss it?

and stafford right after that. OP is just a troll

[Larz]

[Barry McCockinner]

I prefer Rick Vaughn

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

I prefer Rick Vaughn

aka Zach Wilson with his 69 mph football-fastball that he can't (figuratively) get over the plate?

[FTL Jet Fan]

It’s only going to get worse with this blabbering troll rationale.

[SackExchangeNYJ]

18 minutes ago, roscoeword said:

That's what it's called when you get old players, and they just don't have it anymore, like the Mets did (and they still do.) And when the Nets sold the farm for a couple of over the hill Boston Celtics... these things rarely work out (maybe Brady is one of the few examples it did)... To me, the Farve thing was no good, Pennington was better than him at that point, he proved it with Miami. I hate getting over the hills guys and giving up assets for them. It's the move of a loser.

So, to be clear, the Jets should target players at the top of their game now. Maybe they should try to get players that have won two of the last three MVP awards, rather than going after the old guys.

[rangerous]

8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

aka Zach Wilson with his 69 mph football-fastball that he can't (figuratively) get over the plate?

Maybe Zach needs glasses.

[rangerous]

Granted there are dangers in bringing in older players. The game is too physical for older players to keep up. But then there is the wisdom aspect. Guys like ed reed, or Ty law, or Ronnie Lott were effective into their latter years because they knew how to play the game inside and out.  It takes time for players to develop that wisdom and it will sometimes make up for degrading physicality.

[Dcat]

6 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Maybe Zach needs glasses.

Holy crap, you solved it!  Yip,yip, hooray!

 

[Integrity28]

40 minutes ago, roscoeword said:

That's what it's called when you get old players, and they just don't have it anymore, like the Mets did (and they still do.) And when the Nets sold the farm for a couple of over the hill Boston Celtics... these things rarely work out (maybe Brady is one of the few examples it did)... To me, the Farve thing was no good, Pennington was better than him at that point, he proved it with Miami. I hate getting over the hills guys and giving up assets for them. It's the move of a loser.

PTSD from Larry Johnson after he can’t jump. 

[Larz]

Last year the jets avg age was around 26. It probably crept up a little. The oldest team last year had an average of 27.  Having a 40 year old corner would be rough but it’s ok for a QB. Duane Brown is 38. That’s older than you want at LT but just another reason for becton to get it together. Cobb is 33 but last year was similar to his last 4 years. He hasn’t fallen of a cliff. 

[T0mShane]

Mo Vaughn was 350 lbs, had gout in both feet and was clinically addicted to strippers.

[bonkertons]

Funny that instead of using Brady - a guy who played the same sport, same position, who is also a future 1st ballot HOFer, and is based on much more recent history - to evaluate the Rodgers move, you instead decide to use Mo ******* Vaughn?  A guy from a completely different sport, who was never anywhere close to the level of Rodgers in "greatness" terms, and is from 20 ******* years ago.

 

You gotta love the "SOJ" crew.  

[dbatesman]

1 hour ago, roscoeword said:

the Farve thing was no good, Pennington was better than him at that point, he proved it with Miami.

I was not a fan of the Favre trade, but this is horsesh*t. Pennington proved nothing. Favre got hurt.

[bonkertons]

Also, not to harp on such a terrible comparison, but I'll bite: look back at that Mets team.  They brought in Vaughn, Burnitz, Alomar.  They went all in on vets to try to maximize the small window they had left with Piazza(plus their other aging vets like Leiter, Alfonzo, Ordonez, Benitez).

 

This is a completely different situation.  Jets are bringing in one of the greatest of all time to fill arguably the one position that's holding them back.  Also a guy who is expected to walk into a young room and lead.  On paper, Rodgers seems like a puzzle piece that fits perfectly into place.  With the moves the Mets made, it seemed more about spending as much money as they could to get one last run out of their stars. 

 

At the absolute worst, Rodgers provides a bridge from Zach to whoever is next.  The young core will remain long after Rodgers leaves/retires.  We lost a mid-2nd and (most likely) a late 1st.  Is that really something that we'll look back on a decade or two from now and say "giving that up really destroyed what the Jets were building"?  Probably not.

[slats]

Timely analysis. 

[peekskill68]

6 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I was not a fan of the Favre trade, but this is horsesh*t. Pennington proved nothing. Favre got hurt.

I'd bet Favre still had a better arm even when it was disconnected from his body towards the end of the season...

[SackExchangeNYJ]

2 hours ago, Dcat said:

Holy crap, you solved it!  Yip,yip, hooray!

 

(EDIT: Got beaten to it...nothing to see here.)

[ZachWilsonRightArm]

Are we comparing Mo Vaughn to Aaron Rodgers now? 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, SackExchangeNYJ said:

So, to be clear, the Jets should target players at the top of their game now. Maybe they should try to get players that have won two of the last three MVP awards, rather than going after the old guys.

Look, I get your point about Rodgers, but the "2 of the last 3 MVP awards"  thing is ridiculous when the "3" was last season.  That argument only works when the missed year in the 2 of 3 years is the middle year.  The more accurate statement is that he was MVP two years ago.  The issue with Rodgers is whether 2022 was an aberration or if he has started to decline.  

[Larz]

46 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mo Vaughn was 350 lbs, and was clinically addicted to strippers.

[JiFtheOracle]

1 hour ago, roscoeword said:

That's what it's called when you get old players, and they just don't have it anymore, like the Mets did (and they still do.) And when the Nets sold the farm for a couple of over the hill Boston Celtics... these things rarely work out (maybe Brady is one of the few examples it did)... To me, the Farve thing was no good, Pennington was better than him at that point, he proved it with Miami. I hate getting over the hills guys and giving up assets for them. It's the move of a loser.

The Dolphins ran the wildcat the season they traded for Pennington. 

 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Mo Vaughn was 350 lbs, had gout in both feet and was clinically addicted to strippers.

Sounds like mine and @CTM's lovechild.

[roscoeword]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

Granted there are dangers in bringing in older players. The game is too physical for older players to keep up. But then there is the wisdom aspect. Guys like ed reed, or Ty law, or Ronnie Lott were effective into their latter years because they knew how to play the game inside and out.  It takes time for players to develop that wisdom and it will sometimes make up for degrading physicality.

Thanks for giving a normal response 

[AFJF]

2 hours ago, roscoeword said:

That's what it's called when you get old players, and they just don't have it anymore, like the Mets did (and they still do.) And when the Nets sold the farm for a couple of over the hill Boston Celtics... these things rarely work out (maybe Brady is one of the few examples it did)... To me, the Farve thing was no good, Pennington was better than him at that point, he proved it with Miami. I hate getting over the hills guys and giving up assets for them. It's the move of a loser.

JFC

[roscoeword]

1 hour ago, bonkertons said:

Funny that instead of using Brady - a guy who played the same sport, same position, who is also a future 1st ballot HOFer, and is based on much more recent history - to evaluate the Rodgers move, you instead decide to use Mo ******* Vaughn?  A guy from a completely different sport, who was never anywhere close to the level of Rodgers in "greatness" terms, and is from 20 ******* years ago.

 

You gotta love the "SOJ" crew.  

Wasn't making a direct comparison between Mo Vaughn and Rodgers. I wrote "syndrome".. I haven't been on this board for a long time, but i notice that the intellectual level of the posters has plummeted severely... 

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, Dcat said:

Tampa Bay won a Superbowl with Tom Brady recently.  

and he also recently stopped playing and didn't want to take a hit at the end  because he's ancient

Just now, roscoeword said:

Wasn't making a direct comparison between Mo Vaughn and Rodgers. I wrote "syndrome".. I haven't been on this board for a long time, but i notice that the intellectual level of the posters has plummeted severely... 

anyone who thinks paying 150 mil Aaron Rodgers isn't a good idea is labeled a troll or a debbie downer.

Welcome to the club. 

The board is projecting super hard right now. It should all even out around October when everyone realizes Aaron is old, how hard the schedule is (and how much better the Bills/Dolphins are) etc

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

Last year the jets avg age was around 26. It probably crept up a little. The oldest team last year had an average of 27.  Having a 40 year old corner would be rough but it’s ok for a QB. Duane Brown is 38. That’s older than you want at LT but just another reason for becton to get it together. Cobb is 33 but last year was similar to his last 4 years. He hasn’t fallen of a cliff. 

having a 33 y/o WR, a 38 y/o LT and a 40 y/o QB are all equally bad ideas

adjusted for position

everyone's saying Rodgers played hurt last year and that was the reason but a broken thumb doesn't make you not see open guys

even in his prime Rodgers was notoriously sh*t in the playoffs and on big stages. That 6 prime time game thing could be real messy 

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Mo Vaughn was 350 lbs, had gout in both feet and was clinically addicted to strippers.

Other than all that, Mrs. Lincoln....

[JETS SB]

13 minutes ago, AFJF said:

JFC

DAMF

[Larz]

4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

having a 33 y/o WR, a 38 y/o LT and a 40 y/o QB are all equally bad ideas

adjusted for position

everyone's saying Rodgers played hurt last year and that was the reason but a broken thumb doesn't make you not see open guys

even in his prime Rodgers was notoriously sh*t in the playoffs and on big stages. That 6 prime time game thing could be real messy 

 

Cobb has been a 30 yards a game guy for 3 years. If he makes 2 first down catches on 4 targets that’s fine. 

Brown is too old, we need becton to beat him out or even Warren. 
 

Rodgers isn’t perfect but Vegas, the nfl writers, just about everyone is putting the jets in the top 5 or 6 teams in the NFL and it’s not because of sauce 

[AFJF]

1 minute ago, JETS SB said:

DAMF

What are you crying about now?

 

[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, Skeptable said:

and stafford right after that. OP is just a troll

 

2 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

It’s only going to get worse with this blabbering troll rationale.

I’m looking forward to watching Rodgers play QB for the Jets, but are we really going to be calling anyone who doesn’t like the idea a troll?

Like it or not, as of today a case can be made that giving up the draft capital we did for an 40yo QB, and the salary and cap hit that comes with him makes it a questionable move.

I know @Skeptable will downvote this post because that’s what he does (it’s actually preferable dealing with that than having to read his rare posts) but come on everyone else… let’s be better than this. There is a discussion to be had here for those who want to have one.