PFF Ranks Jets 4th in AFC

[Smashmouth]

Lets face it, the Jets ranked behind KC CINN and Buff does make some sense but keep in mind the single reason these three teams are ahead of the Jets is because they have actually had a QB which made all three SB contenders for the past few years, and rightfully so. 

It is my opinion that the Jets have a better roster and a better Defense than all three of these teams and the Jets Secondary and pass rush which made life hell for damn near every QB they faced is very real . Can KC or Cincy say that ? 

Now that we also have a QB, people are putting us in that conversation but I think we are much better built to deal with Elite QB's than any team on that list and the only team that comes close are the Bills but they have been steadily slipping on pass defense over the past few years. 

2 games vs Josh Allen last year Allen Passed for 136 yards and 233 yards . The Jets had 10 games they did not give up 200 yards passing . The highest total passing yards vs the Jets was 261 by Burrow and that was game 3. The Jets defense didn't get rolling right out of the gate and  had their 3 worst pass defense games in that window of 3 games to start the season. After that they were Lights out only giving up 2500 yards passing the rest of the season and only 8 Passing TD's. 

I'm betting Aaron Rodgers has a better shot to exploit the Bill's Chief's and Bengals defenses than they have of exploiting ours especially with our defense having an elite year under their belt. 

Its time to step up and kick some AFC ass.

[Barry McCockinner]

I don't see anything wrong with ranking the Jets 4th in the AFC but I do need to add that PFF is absolute garbage, made up, pure trash that no one should ever take seriously for anything. 

 

[GreenFish]

4th makes sense. Nobody is going to have us above those teams without seeing us play first. Those teams have had continuity on both sides of the ball.

[slimjasi]

I’d have the Jets anywhere from 4 through 8.  
 

After KC, Buffalo, and Cincy, I’d have the jets, dolphins, ravens, jags, and chargers all occupying spots 4 through 8, in no particular order. 

 

 

[Trotter]

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I don't see anything wrong with ranking the Jets 4th in the AFC but I do need to add that PFF is absolute garbage, made up, pure trash that no one should ever take seriously for anything. 

 

Barry next time don’t hold back your feelings

[Larz]

I’d say third. 
 

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Jills

NEW YORK JETS

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[Smashmouth]

I'm fine as well that they have the Jets ranked 4th  and @Barry McCockinner I cant stand PFF either but my main point is we are built on  Defense to stop elite QB's and for the most part even with the terrible offensive output we have had the past few years we still shut most QB's down.

There are some telling stats on KC they are Horrible in the redzone ranked 29th  and were the worst team in the NFL giving up passing TD's . The Bills and Bengals are better but Allen struggled against us last year so I think the biggest threat is the Bengals because they can score against anyone and also play tough defense.  Sure KC won the SB but its hard to repeat and facing our pass defense can make the difference . 

Should be a very exciting year

[BUM-KNEE]

Everything will hinge on how good our OL can perform down the stretch. That is the key to how this season will end up.

[doitny]

24 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

I'm fine as well that they have the Jets ranked 4th  and @Barry McCockinner I cant stand PFF either but my main point is we are built on  Defense to stop elite QB's and for the most part even with the terrible offensive output we have had the past few years we still shut most QB's down.

There are some telling stats on KC they are Horrible in the redzone ranked 29th  and were the worst team in the NFL giving up passing TD's . The Bills and Bengals are better but Allen struggled against us last year so I think the biggest threat is the Bengals because they can score against anyone and also play tough defense.  Sure KC won the SB but its hard to repeat and facing our pass defense can make the difference . 

Should be a very exciting year

we better hope the defense is just as good as last year. every year is different.

nobody will be taking Sause for granted this year. and the one thing i hated last year and i hope they dont do again this year is keep Sause on one side instead of following the #1 WR. now DJ was really good too but Sause should be on #1 wherever he goes. right now its easy to avoid him, just line up where he isnt and he wont follow.

CJ is a year older. 

QW??? i know everybody loves him now from the " we dont care just pay him" thread but is he going to have another great year or turn back into a pumpkin? 

lets hope there as good as last year

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, doitny said:

we better hope the defense is just as good as last year. every year is different.

nobody will be taking Sause for granted this year. and the one thing i hated last year and i hope they dont do again this year is keep Sause on one side instead of following the #1 WR. now DJ was really good too but Sause should be on #1 wherever he goes. right now its easy to avoid him, just line up where he isnt and he wont follow.

Not gonna happen in this defense, and regardless, DJ Reed is really good, as you pointed out. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 

[Barry McCockinner]

31 minutes ago, doitny said:

we better hope the defense is just as good as last year. every year is different.

nobody will be taking Sause for granted this year. and the one thing i hated last year and i hope they dont do again this year is keep Sause on one side instead of following the #1 WR. now DJ was really good too but Sause should be on #1 wherever he goes. right now its easy to avoid him, just line up where he isnt and he wont follow.

CJ is a year older. 

QW??? i know everybody loves him now from the " we dont care just pay him" thread but is he going to have another great year or turn back into a pumpkin? 

lets hope there as good as last year

I think the defense will be better when they have an offense that actually puts pressure on other teams. No more just playing it close to the vest and waiting for our offense to falter for opposing teams. They're going to feel the pressure of playing from behind or having to keep up and teams will have to take more chances. Our turnover margin should be towards the top of the league this year.

[DjHoldyHold]

JET NOT NUMBER 1???!!!! ???

[Sperm Edwards]

35 minutes ago, doitny said:

we better hope the defense is just as good as last year. every year is different.

nobody will be taking Sause for granted this year. and the one thing i hated last year and i hope they dont do again this year is keep Sause on one side instead of following the #1 WR. now DJ was really good too but Sause should be on #1 wherever he goes. right now its easy to avoid him, just line up where he isnt and he wont follow.

CJ is a year older. 

QW??? i know everybody loves him now from the " we dont care just pay him" thread but is he going to have another great year or turn back into a pumpkin? 

lets hope there as good as last year

While I wouldn't exactly say I'm worried about DJ, the likelihood of anyone simply repeating a career year just because...well it's the stuff of disappointments. He was out of his mind in most games and, while I'd welcome it with open arms, accept that might not repeat. This time last year everyone expected an "elite" pass blocking season from Fant at LT. 

Mosley sucks anyway, and after losing weight to get his 40 time back under 5 seconds, gets pushed around like a playground wimp.

QW I'm not as concerned about a step backwards, as he's still getting better. I guess Reed is only a year older so there's no reason I should gauge them differently, other than Reed wasn't projected as some all-world talent like QW. Also with the amount of DL rotation they do he should be kept fresh. But yeah it's often a fool's errand to expect a sudden career year to now become the baseline going forward. Also yeah, while it's not fair to fault him for others, it's common to be concerned about how much fire he's got after getting paid (and his brother along with him in the same offseason). 

[jetspenguin]

we better hope the defense is just as good as last year. every year is different.
nobody will be taking Sause for granted this year. and the one thing i hated last year and i hope they dont do again this year is keep Sause on one side instead of following the #1 WR. now DJ was really good too but Sause should be on #1 wherever he goes. right now its easy to avoid him, just line up where he isnt and he wont follow.
CJ is a year older. 
QW??? i know everybody loves him now from the " we dont care just pay him" thread but is he going to have another great year or turn back into a pumpkin? 
lets hope there as good as last year

Bingo

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.

[derp]

Think the Jets have the widest range of outcomes in the AFC. Impossible to tell how much Rodgers changes. Can’t have them top three, but they probably have the best narrative to crack it, so everyone who’s not trying to have a hot take is going to have them fourth in the preseason.

[rex-n-effect]

Love seeing the team get positive press but I'm trying to moderate my excitement until the season gets going. 

We don't know if we're getting 2021 or 2020 Rodgers. We haven't seen the best coaching out of Saleh. Is the defense as good as it looked the back half of last season because they are that good or did teams slow play the Jets knowing they could win without running up the score? Will the OL hold up or collapse under injury after injury leaving Rodgers running for his life?

 

[WeCantDraftGoodQBs]

Of course, it would be amazing to actually finish the year as one of the top 4 teams in the AFC, which would mean we finally got back into the playoffs and probably got past the wildcard round too. It's also nice not to start the season off with being ranked last (or close to last) in the AFC!

[sciond]

2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I don't see anything wrong with ranking the Jets 4th in the AFC but I do need to add that PFF is absolute garbage, made up, pure trash that no one should ever take seriously for anything. 

 

But how do you really feel?

[Jet2020]

AFCE has a good chance of having all 4 teams make the playoffs. It has never happened and likely won’t, but if ever there was a time, 2023 would be it. 
 

 

[BigRy56]

This sounds about right to start the season. Can’t wait to see the Jets line up against the 3 above them right now though. Feels like that ranking will increase quickly 

[jgb]

5 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I don't see anything wrong with ranking the Jets 4th in the AFC but I do need to add that PFF is absolute garbage, made up, pure trash that no one should ever take seriously for anything. 

 

Sure beats individual fans’ result-based-analysis “eye tests.” Doesn’t have to be perfect to have value.

[Barry McCockinner]

24 minutes ago, jgb said:

Sure beats individual fans’ result-based-analysis “eye tests.” Doesn’t have to be perfect to have value.

I used to think the same until last season when they had an analyst who later admitted he didn't even watch the game giving analysis on it.

[jamesr]

First read the headline as "4th in AFC East ..."   

[JETS SB]

3 hours ago, Jet2020 said:

AFCE has a good chance of having all 4 teams make the playoffs. It has never happened and likely won’t, but if ever there was a time, 2023 would be it. 
 

 

Not a chance. Pats are not playing .500 

6-11 or 7-10. At best with that schedule and team. 

[jgb]

9 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I used to think the same until last season when they had an analyst who later admitted he didn't even watch the game giving analysis on it.

Ok so one guy admitted he didn’t take the job seriously. That would mean every organization sucks and has no value.

[Barry McCockinner]

18 minutes ago, jgb said:

Ok so one guy admitted he didn’t take the job seriously. That would mean every organization sucks and has no value.

They bill themselves as an advanced analytics outfit that combs through every game with a fine tooth. Forgive me if I lost all trust in anything they publish

[JohnnyLV]

I am not sure what to think of the Jets yet, but I just think Buffalo takes a big step back this year,

[BornJetsFan1983]

10 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Lets face it, the Jets ranked behind KC CINN and Buff does make some sense but keep in mind the single reason these three teams are ahead of the Jets is because they have actually had a QB which made all three SB contenders for the past few years, and rightfully so. 

It is my opinion that the Jets have a better roster and a better Defense than all three of these teams and the Jets Secondary and pass rush which made life hell for damn near every QB they faced is very real . Can KC or Cincy say that ? 

Now that we also have a QB, people are putting us in that conversation but I think we are much better built to deal with Elite QB's than any team on that list and the only team that comes close are the Bills but they have been steadily slipping on pass defense over the past few years. 

2 games vs Josh Allen last year Allen Passed for 136 yards and 233 yards . The Jets had 10 games they did not give up 200 yards passing . The highest total passing yards vs the Jets was 261 by Burrow and that was game 3. The Jets defense didn't get rolling right out of the gate and  had their 3 worst pass defense games in that window of 3 games to start the season. After that they were Lights out only giving up 2500 yards passing the rest of the season and only 8 Passing TD's. 

I'm betting Aaron Rodgers has a better shot to exploit the Bill's Chief's and Bengals defenses than they have of exploiting ours especially with our defense having an elite year under their belt. 

Its time to step up and kick some AFC ass.

I thought this was AFCe. 4th in afc as a whole sh*t other than kc who favored to beat us? Not bills, cinn or Ravens...we beat buff and cin with out a QB. I think we beat KC this year too. People do not realize how much more violent and aggressive our def is going to be when we we have great field position and the lead. No more 4 play punts. We had great def with no qb. That is crazy good. Hell I think our def is better than the rex days. As bad as Sanchez was he was not as bad as last year. It's going to be a great year

[slimjasi]

4 hours ago, jgb said:

Ok so one guy admitted he didn’t take the job seriously. That would mean every organization sucks and has no value.

Eh, that was a pretty big screw up and the explanation for it was really lame and left me wondering how often that happens.

beyond that, I’ve just never been blown away by  their analyses 

I look at their stuff, but I recommend consuming with plenty of salt 

[jgb]

9 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Eh, that was a pretty big screw up and the explanation for it was really lame and left me wondering how often that happens.

beyond that, I’ve just never been blown away by  their analyses 

I look at their stuff, but I recommend consuming with plenty of salt 

Sal Alosi made a "pretty big screw up" also, yet you like the Jets.

They are one data point of many. Seems you use it that way. It's the extremist "they are garbage trash therefore I can immediately dismiss everything they publish with no effort to consider and debate the substance of their output" that I roll my eyes at.

[jgb]

9 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

They bill themselves as an advanced analytics outfit that combs through every game with a fine tooth. Forgive me if I lost all trust in anything they publish

You don't need my forgiveness but I just wonder if you hold organizations you like to a "one strike, you're useless garbage" standard or if we see a teensie weensie bit of confirmation bias poking through here.

[slimjasi]

4 hours ago, jgb said:

Sal Alosi made a "pretty big screw up" also, yet you like the Jets.

They are one data point of many. Seems you use it that way. It's the extremist "they are garbage trash therefore I can immediately dismiss everything they publish with no effort rather than consider and debate the substance of their output" that I roll my eyes at.

Sorry friend, not remotely the same. PFF analyzes football players and teams for a living. That’s all they do. The QW “screw up” was considerably more central to their bottom line than anything Sal Alosi did with the Jets. A better argument would be that the Jets as a whole continue to “screw up” year after year, and yet, I continue to support them with my time and energy. And that is a good point, but Jets fandom (and probably sports fandom, in general) isn’t particularly rational. 
 

More importantly, I never wrote anything remotely close to what is in the quotation marks. In fact, I explicitly wrote that I do read what PFF puts out there. What I wrote was that, because I have long been underwhelmed by PFF rankings/analyses (I have been critical of them for years and have often debated the “substance of their output” as you put it), I take their stuff with some salt - healthy skepticism. 
 

 

[Barry McCockinner]

4 hours ago, jgb said:

Sal Alosi made a "pretty big screw up" also, yet you like the Jets.

They are one data point of many. Seems you use it that way. It's the extremist "they are garbage trash therefore I can immediately dismiss everything they publish with no effort rather than consider and debate the substance of their output" that I roll my eyes at.

Aside from this being a bad comparison, Alosi was also immediately fired. Credibility is difficult to achieve and easy to lose. For good reason.

If you want to continue to give credibility to advanced metrics that may or may not be completely fabricated be my guest.

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Aside from this being a bad comparison, Alosi was immediately fired. Credibility is difficult to achieve and easy to lose. For good reason.

If you want to continue to give credibility to advanced metrics that may or may not be completely fabricated be my guest.

Alosi resigned. But my point stands. If you like an organization, you forgive issues with individuals. If you don't, one issue is all you need to double down on your confirmation bias.

[jgb]

32 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Sorry friend, not remotely the same.

So that's why they call it "an analogy" and not "an exact!"

There are plenty of closer analogies, but let's be honest, you'll sh*t on them because it fits your designed narrative (it's human, we all do it) so I won't waste my time.

It's my own fault for falling into the trap of talking about anything other than the quality of their analysis. That's what I'm willing to discuss regarding PFF going forward -- if someone disagrees with one of their conclusions. Everything else is conclusory, lazy dismissal because the ratings hurt the feelz.