I knew the Jets defense was good last season, but this stat was pretty surprising

[AFJF]

Was looking at some QB stats from last season and something that jumped out at me was while we all agree the Jets had some of the worst QB play you'll ever see in your life, the Jets defense held all opposing QB's to similar (or worse) numbers in some categories.  That's facing Josh Allen x2, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Kirk Cousins and a rejuvenated Geno Smith.

 

 

[LIJetsFan]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics!  So why didn't we win more games? None the less interesting stat.       

Oh. wait, I know, it must have been special teams that cost us all those games. 

[Maxman]

That's wild, I like the comparison. I never really thought about it that way.

Being on the field less and knowing that they can take some chances and it will be okay.....those are huge difference makers for the defense this year.

[JiFtheOracle]

[slats]

42 minutes ago, Maxman said:

That's wild, I like the comparison. I never really thought about it that way.

Being on the field less and knowing that they can take some chances and it will be okay.....those are huge difference makers for the defense this year.

It cuts both ways. Having a QB of our own who’s expected to perform a lot better than the QBs did last year will also put more on pressure on the defense as offenses will need more points to beat the Jets. 
 
They are a defense designed to operate from a lead, though. That much maligned front four rotation will have fresh legs after opposing QBs all game, while Sauce and DJ take their targets away. They will have a lot of opportunities for big plays as other teams will need to manufacture their own. 

[AFJF]

3 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics!  So why didn't we win more games? None the less interesting stat.       

Oh. wait, I know, it must have been special teams that cost us all those games. 

Ummm...the offense, perhaps?

[JohnnyLV]

3 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics!  So why didn't we win more games? None the less interesting stat.       

Oh. wait, I know, it must have been special teams that cost us all those games. 

Benching Zach torn the team apart and let LaFleur finish the job.

[Embrace the Suck]

3 hours ago, slats said:

It cuts both ways. Having a QB of our own who’s expected to perform a lot better than the QBs did last year will also put more on pressure on the defense as offenses will need more points to beat the Jets. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Yes, but the defense forced very few turnovers.  The Jets threw 14 interceptions and lost 9 fumbles, while the Jets themselves had only 12 picks and 4 fumble recoveries for a -7.  The Jets ranked 29th in takeaways and turnover ration.

 

If this defense is going to truly be a top defense, it needs to force more than 1 turnover a game.  

[slats]

36 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Yes, but the defense forced very few turnovers.  The Jets threw 14 interceptions and lost 9 fumbles, while the Jets themselves had only 12 picks and 4 fumble recoveries for a -7.  The Jets ranked 29th in takeaways and turnover ration.

 

If this defense is going to truly be a top defense, it needs to force more than 1 turnover a game.  

This has been one of my biggest pet peeves forever. Belichick coaches his defenses to try to steal the ball on every down. It’s a mindset, and the Jets haven’t had it in forever, despite their run of defensive head coaches. 
 
The good news is that Will McDonald had ten strip sacks over the course of his college career. There’s probably not a bigger play to be made on defense, and they need to generate some. 

[LIJetsFan]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

Benching Zach torn the team apart and let LaFleur finish the job.

Didn't they all don MFW t-shirts though? I think it was Zack sh!t for brains Wilson who tore the team apart both on and off the field. (and LaFleur of course)   

[Maynard13]

1 hour ago, slats said:

This has been one of my biggest pet peeves forever. Belichick coaches his defenses to try to steal the ball on every down. It’s a mindset, and the Jets haven’t had it in forever, despite their run of defensive head coaches. 
 
The good news is that Will McDonald had ten strip sacks over the course of his college career. There’s probably not a bigger play to be made on defense, and they need to generate some. 

Old McDonald had a DUCK E-i-e-i-o .....And a quack quack here and a quack quack there, here a quack there a quack, everywhere a quack quack 

 

[batman10023]

6 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics!  So why didn't we win more games? None the less interesting stat.       

Oh. wait, I know, it must have been special teams that cost us all those games. 

Didn’t we lose a game on a last second punt return for a td

[Jethead]

Jets defense could be AFC's best, league top 3 in 2023, barring injury or some self-inflicted stupidity like not signing Q (which I don't expect). Need to improve takeaways.

[Hex]

54 minutes ago, Jethead said:

Jets defense could be AFC's best, league top 3 in 2023, barring injury or some self-inflicted stupidity like not signing Q (which I don't expect). Need to improve takeaways.

Takeaways will hopefully improve once the offense gets good enough to force the other team to throw more.

[Sonny Werblin]

Interceptions?

[rex-n-effect]

On paper the Jets defense racked up some nice stats last year--especially as the season went on. It's easy for your defense to look good when they aren't asked to do a lot. Teams knew by the middle of the season that they could win without scoring 30 points--hell they could win scoring 20 points. The corners could take away the big plays but they could grind out conservative plays, especially with how unimpressive the defense was against the run and short passes. 

If I am pessimistic about anything for this year, it's about Ulbricht's defense. 

[jgb]

2 hours ago, rex-n-effect said:

On paper the Jets defense racked up some nice stats last year--especially as the season went on. It's easy for your defense to look good when they aren't asked to do a lot. Teams knew by the middle of the season that they could win without scoring 30 points--hell they could win scoring 20 points. The corners could take away the big plays but they could grind out conservative plays, especially with how unimpressive the defense was against the run and short passes. 

If I am pessimistic about anything for this year, it's about Ulbricht's defense. 

I do think Jets defense was inflated a bit last year due to a toothless offense putting no pressure on opponents, but this defense is absolutely good enough for January football if the offense doesn’t gargle donkey balls.

[Jetsfan80]

8 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Benching Zach torn the team apart and let LaFleur finish the job.

Oh is that what happened?  I thought Zach Wilson losing both games to NE single-handedly “tore the team apart”.  Guess I was watching a different season.  

[RoadFan]

For a very good defense, they were lousy at forcing turnovers.
 

AR will put more stress on opposing offenses to score and they’ll take more chances.  Jets defense will get more opportunities for big plays.

[Jetsfan4life90]

I feel like the Jets defense early on in the season was forcing turnovers.

However, once AVT and Hall went down and the offense went to hell, the defense started forcing turnovers a lot less. 

[RevisIsland610]

15 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Benching Zach torn the team apart and let LaFleur finish the job.

No, actually letting him start so many games is what tore the team apart. There would have been a mutiny if Mike White didn't replace Wilson especially after that awesome performance in New England. 

[SayNoToDMC]

I'm just worried about week 1. Buffalo is our main opposition to win the division, and we want a SB. I hate the scheduling.

If you remember it took a few weeks for our D to click. We shut down Allen better than anyone though. 

I don't know if the slow start was because training camp is a joke now with hitting, or we needed to gel.

We also got a new QB. I was hoping to avoid Bills till at least week 4. They're our biggest regular season games.

[jgb]

 

18 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Benching Zach torn the team apart and let LaFleur finish the job.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation 

[Raideraholic]

On 5/14/2023 at 7:54 AM, slats said:

It cuts both ways. Having a QB of our own who’s expected to perform a lot better than the QBs did last year will also put more on pressure on the defense as offenses will need more points to beat the Jets. 
 
They are a defense designed to operate from a lead, though. That much maligned front four rotation will have fresh legs after opposing QBs all game, while Sauce and DJ take their targets away. They will have a lot of opportunities for big plays as other teams will need to manufacture their own. 

You could look at it two ways .  Teams knew the Jets offense was so brutal that they became conservative on offense.   Don’t take chances , and come away with the victory.     We are going to see just how good that Jet   defense  really is.   They put up similar numbers as last year , against the teams they played this year -than without a doubt they deserve all the praise.      I don’t expect jet defense numbers to be any where as close as last year, and has nothing to do with sophomore slump .     Just playing higher caliber offenses this year .      The Jets offense should be more potent as you did bring in top 10 Qb in football , but let’s see if their defense was really that good.      

 

[Flashlite80]

On 5/14/2023 at 5:22 AM, AFJF said:

Was looking at some QB stats from last season and something that jumped out at me was while we all agree the Jets had some of the worst QB play you'll ever see in your life, the Jets defense held all opposing QB's to similar (or worse) numbers in some categories.  That's facing Josh Allen x2, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Kirk Cousins and a rejuvenated Geno Smith.

 

 

Jets got off to a slow start the first three games defensively.  Over the last 14 games. they surrendered 234 points, good for #3.  If you eliminate the tewo horrible punts returned for touchdowns, they allowed 220 points.  That would have been good enough for #1

The defense did not create near enough turnovers but still played at an elite level.  They were on the field too long because of an horrendous offense.  The punter had numerous shanks, putting the defense in poor.  All these led to a consistent poor field position.  A pourous run defense  also set the defense on it's heels at times.

A  better offense, a decent punter and improved run defense could make a world of difference.   To the latter,  we finally have a safety who can tackle and a DT who is a run stuffer.  The defense will be fresher, leading to stronger pass rush.  Quarterbacks will have less time to find open windows.  That will force more passes into tighter coverage.

They addressed the offensive issues, replaced the punter and added Clarke and Woods to support the run defense.  If they perform as we hope, quarterbacks will hate playing us.

[rangerous]

The only stat that matters for a defense is points against. That’s why there are so many bend don’t break type defenses.  But holding the opposing QBs to fewer yardage than the jet ones is probably more due to reed and sauce in the secondary.

[Jetsfan80]

19 hours ago, RoadFan said:

For a very good defense, they were lousy at forcing turnovers.
 

AR will put more stress on opposing offenses to score and they’ll take more chances.  Jets defense will get more opportunities for big plays.

Yep.  Your 2nd point answers the 1st one.  It's much tougher to force turnovers when playing from behind.  Gotta make the opposing offense more one dimensional and Rodgers of course will help make that happen.