Larz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 hours ago, bitonti said: LESS, ZERO whatever you call it that's not an advantage. to make the offense simpler isn't going to help the offense score points it's something they tell people in the offseason and we all accept it like the dum dums we are This idea that all the problems were to blame on MLF is wishful thinking pro offenses use motion that's why it's pro not Pee wee Great QBs don’t mind being blitzed because they believe they have the advantage by recognizing it and making the defense pay. Zach pees down his leg when he’s pressured. So the stategery isn’t the same for all QBs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Larz said: Great QBs don’t mind being blitzed because they believe they have the advantage by recognizing it and making the defense pay. Zach pees down his leg when he’s pressured. So the stategery isn’t the same for all QBs. Aaron Rodgers was blitzed on 30% of his dropbacks last season. He completed 66% of his passes on those dropbacks. 8 TDs, 3 INTs. Zach Wilson was blitzed on 42% of his dropbacks last season. He completed 53% of his passes on those dropbacks. 4 TDs, 4 INTs. When pressured, he threw 1 td, 6 ints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Aaron Rodgers was blitzed on 30% of his dropbacks last season. He completed 66% of his passes on those dropbacks. 8 TDs, 3 INTs. Zach Wilson was blitzed on 42% of his dropbacks last season. He completed 53% of his passes on those dropbacks. 4 TDs, 4 INTs. When pressured, he threw 1 td, 6 ints. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Aaron Rodgers was blitzed on 30% of his dropbacks last season. He completed 66% of his passes on those dropbacks. 8 TDs, 3 INTs. Zach Wilson was blitzed on 42% of his dropbacks last season. He completed 53% of his passes on those dropbacks. 4 TDs, 4 INTs. When pressured, he threw 1 td, 6 ints. Fortunately that will all be fixed now that LaFleur is gone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 7 hours ago, oatmeal said: “At the same time, this is one of the main reasons why Rodgers decided to continue his career with the Jets. With Hackett -- a close friend and confidant -- running the offense, he knew he'd have a major say in the implementation and direction of the offense, which he views as a refreshing change from Green Bay. Rodgers chafed at times under Packers coach Matt LaFleur, occasionally expressing his frustration publicly. Rodgers, who once said LaFleur's system "has flaws," vented last season after a loss to the Jets, claiming the offense needed to be simplified. It wasn't the first time he aired his feelings. Make no mistake, Rodgers was vocal in Green Bay's meetings -- he said so himself -- but there's a difference between speaking up and being heard. While it's still the honeymoon phase, it sounds like his words carry more weight in New York. You might say he has ownership of the offense, which was designed with him in mind. Simply put, it's his show.“ @T0mShane@Jetsfan80 Take a bow boys 100% exactly what we been saying the time when this Rodgers thing was just a jet fans fantasy His brother’s was worse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 54 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Fortunately that will all be fixed now that LaFleur is gone. One of the surest bets in the NFL last season was getting Zach Wilson into 3rd and five+, blitz him, and run man to man behind him. It was basically putting Chris Dudley at the free throw line. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: One of the surest bets in the NFL last season was getting Zach Wilson into 3rd and five+, blitz him, and run man to man behind him. It was basically putting Chris Dudley at the free throw line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Larz said: Rodgers and Manning or Bitonti? Peyton Manning is the guy who recommended Adam Gase for HC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, bitonti said: Peyton Manning is the guy who recommended Adam Gase for HC Cool. He still knows more about going no huddle or uptempo than you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 7 hours ago, bitonti said: i'm happy that Rodgers brings this perspective to the locker room But he's physically declining and I don't have confidence he will make it through the season uninjured. didnt you advocate for jimmy f'ing garopollo?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Larz said: Cool. He still knows more about going no huddle or uptempo than you do. he know more about acquiring cocaine than I do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, neckdemon said: didnt you advocate for jimmy f'ing garopollo?? yeah I like having rd 1 picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Won’t amount to anything. But cool, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, bitonti said: he know more about acquiring cocaine than I do Ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, Larz said: Ok? Adam Gase is currently the offensive coordinator for Lincoln HS in Ypsilanti Michigan He's our generation's Rich Kotite and the sad fact is that 7-9 mark is the highpoint of JD's tenure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: Adam Gase is currently the offensive coordinator for Lincoln HS in Ypsilanti Michigan He's our generation's Rich Kotite and the sad fact is that 7-9 mark is the highpoint of JD's tenure What does that have to do with HOF QBs with over 15 years experience preferring an offense with little pre snap motion so they can read the defense they studied and have the option to go fast ? 1JD, October 2023. AR : “ I hear what you’re saying Hack, but I saw the Dline getting gassed and I wanted to go uptempo here and ***DOOR FLIES OPEN*** Bitonti : “what do you think this is old man, pee wee football ? You can’t tell if it’s man or zone without motion. My god you all SUCK!!! Woody is cheap ! Gase did coke ! Get Jimmy effing G in here and draft another rookie QB!!!! AR : ok? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, Larz said: What does that have to do with HOF QBs with over 15 years experience preferring an offense with little pre snap motion so they can read the defense they studied and have the option to go fast ? 1JD, October 2023. AR : “ I hear what you’re saying Hack, but I saw the Dline getting gassed and I wanted to go uptempo here and ***DOOR FLIES OPEN*** Bitonti : “what do you think this is old man, pee wee football ? You can’t tell if it’s man or zone without motion. My god you all SUCK!!! Woody is cheap ! Gase did coke ! Get Jimmy effing G in here and draft another rookie QB!!!! AR : ok? I don't know how you think Aaron Rodgers will tell if the defense is in man or zone without motion Telepathy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: I don't know how you think Aaron Rodgers will tell if the defense is in man or zone without motion Telepathy? I would guess how they move after the center/QB exchange, which is commonly referred to as the “snap” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Larz said: I would guess how they move after the center/QB exchange, which is commonly referred to as the “snap” It's a lot to process in 2.5 seconds - not saying it's impossible, it's just a lot I guess that's why he's the 100 million dollar man huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, bitonti said: It's a lot to process in 2.5 seconds - not saying it's impossible, it's just a lot I guess that's why he's the 100 million dollar man huh Have you seen the clip of Brady turning to fournette on a PA play and say to him “cover 2?” During the play fake ? That’s with only what he saw in .25 seconds. He didn’t get that from motion, he got that from reading the safeties first step post snap Rodgers is top 5 all time my friend. Some lists have him at #3. He’s pretty good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 11 hours ago, KRL said: Rodgers, who once said LaFleur's system "has flaws," vented last season after a loss to the Jets, claiming the offense needed to be simplified. It wasn't the first time he aired his feelings. Yeah, sounds familiar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, bitonti said: yeah I like having rd 1 picks Quite a few sh*t QB's could have been acquired without costing a 1st. Why Jimmy G specifically? Do you just have a thing for handsome Italian men who get hurt all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Quite a few sh*t QB's could have been acquired without costing a 1st. Why Jimmy G specifically? Do you just have a thing for handsome Italian men who get hurt all the time? i've said this about a dozen times but I feel Jimmy G's injury risk and Aaron Rodgers risk are essentially the same at this point in Rodgers' career. He's been durable recently but in his 18th season he's basically a Jimmy G level risk no one wants to entertain the very real possibility that Rodgers gets hurt behind a below average Jets Line. Jimmy G by the way played 11 games last season and 15 games the year before. That's more than Zach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: Jimmy G by the way played 11 games last season and 15 games the year before. That's more than Zach. How many did Rodgers play the last two seasons? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, bitonti said: i've said this about a dozen times but I feel Jimmy G's injury risk and Aaron Rodgers risk are essentially the same at this point in Rodgers' career. He's been durable recently but in his 18th season he's basically a Jimmy G level risk no one wants to entertain the very real possibility that Rodgers gets hurt behind a below average Jets Line. Jimmy G by the way played 11 games last season and 15 games the year before. That's more than Zach. Yes, you’ve explained numerous times why you liked Jimmy G over Rodgers. That’s not what I asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: How many did Rodgers play the last two seasons? Brett farve was an Ironman until he tore his biceps here Rodgers gets hurt, plays hurt, and eventually at the age of 39 that luck won't hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, you’ve explained numerous times why you liked Jimmy G over Rodgers. That’s not what I asked. He was also one of the few qbs available that the Jets wouldn't have had to change offensive systems for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Just now, bitonti said: Brett farve was an Ironman until he tore his biceps here Rodgers gets hurt, plays hurt, and eventually at the age of 39 that luck won't hold Why did it hold at ages 36-39? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Just now, T0mShane said: Why did it hold at ages 36-39? I don't know, human growth hormone? Father time is undefeated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 13 hours ago, Wit said: Lafluer but the bullet for Hackett which paved the way to Rodgers. I can’t WAIT to see some actual jets offense this year. Crazy. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app It is something I am aware of but can't fully comprehend. (The Jets scoring points consistently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 13 hours ago, Untouchable said: Still feels like a dream Like I’m going to suddenly wake up tomorrow and Andy Dalton is our QB. Was going to post the same exact thing - don’t wake me up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 His impact so far has been zero. His impact. will be felt when we play actual games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 12 hours ago, bitonti said: i've heard this several times - like it's some sort of genius advantage they are using less motion Bullsh*t. people said the same thing when Schotty was fired. in general, less motion is not a good thing motion lets the QB know if they are in Man or Zone it takes a top receiver and motions him away from the top CB no motion means it's easier to play defense. There are many plays in Aaron Rodgers' history that benefitted from motion Look at 30 seconds in for Adams vs Ramsey in Motion in the Playoffs for an example of what I'm talking about. That TD Doesn't happen without motion. How many NFL games have you played and how many MVP's have you won? I'll defer to Rodgers on whatever the hell he thinks works best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 3 hours ago, bitonti said: i've said this about a dozen times but I feel Jimmy G's injury risk and Aaron Rodgers risk are essentially the same at this point in Rodgers' career. He's been durable recently but in his 18th season he's basically a Jimmy G level risk no one wants to entertain the very real possibility that Rodgers gets hurt behind a below average Jets Line. Jimmy G by the way played 11 games last season and 15 games the year before. That's more than Zach. Garoppolo has been the nominal starter in SF for 6 season and has started 55 of a possible 87 games. 63.2% Rodgers has been the starter in GB for 15 seasons and has started 223 of a possible 241 games. 92.5% There have been a few QBs to play into their 40s. Brady, Moon, Favre, Vinny, Flutie. Saying that at age 39 the injury risk balloons enough to offset that difference is just wishful thinking on your part. Anything can happen at any time, but this is one of your weaker efforts. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 12 hours ago, bitonti said: i've heard this several times - like it's some sort of genius advantage they are using less motion Bullsh*t. people said the same thing when Schotty was fired. in general, less motion is not a good thing motion lets the QB know if they are in Man or Zone it takes a top receiver and motions him away from the top CB no motion means it's easier to play defense. There are many plays in Aaron Rodgers' history that benefitted from motion Look at 30 seconds in for Adams vs Ramsey in Motion in the Playoffs for an example of what I'm talking about. That TD Doesn't happen without motion. I think if the QB doesn’t like it, or feel he needs it, it’s probably unnecessary. It’s funny that you mention Schotty, because this reminds me of when the Jets acquired Favre. Favre hated all of Schotty’s pre-snap motion bull**** and the offense started clicking once Marty’s son listened to the QB and let him run the offense the way he wanted to. Having had that first hand information at their disposal, they opted to hire Rodgers preferred OC, who will let Rodgers run the system the way he wants to from the start. The motion thing is just the writer’s speculation, anyway. The important thing is that Rodgers is completely comfortable in the offense, and along with Lazard, Cobb, and Turner, they’re all helping to install it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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