Mangini on Rodgers

[Bronx]

 

[jeremy2020]

I don't want to read it so just tell me do I herald Mangini as a mangenius or a manidiot?

[ganggreen305]

Mangenius!!!!  

[Jet Nut]

Never heard this before.  

[slats]

13 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

I don't want to read it so just tell me do I herald Mangini as a mangenius or a manidiot?

In this instance, I’d go with broken clock. 

[Hal N of Provo]

31 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Never heard this before.  

Pat McCaffey and all the other talking heads are Mangenius in Mission Impossible costumes - so it’s an original thought.  

[Biggs]

We got a pissed off Belicheck when we hired Mangini.  

[slimjasi]

17 minutes ago, Biggs said:

We got a pissed off Belicheck when we hired Mangini.  

[BallinPB]

I can't wait for training camp so we have better things to talk about.  

[PFSIKH]

1 hour ago, slats said:

In this instance, I’d go with broken clock. 

He is right twice a day?

[Warfish]

9 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

I can't wait for training camp so we have better things to talk about.  

Better yet, preseason.  Actual play in actual game-like situations by actual players.  Good stuff.

[The Crusher]

4 minutes ago, PFSIKH said:

He is right twice a day?

Every other day.

[DoubleDown]

Always liked Mangini's takes as an analyst.

[GangGreened]

Jets fans to Rodgers:

[Beerfish]

This up coming season will be a 'no in between' season.

Either a monumental success or a colossal failure.

Can't wait till at least training camp, I feel uncomfortable when every one and their dog loves the jets.

[Bleedin Green]

Did he also suggest Saleh should name his next kid Aaron, but then later pretend he never actually liked Rodgers in the first place if things go south?

[rex-n-effect]

But isn't Rodgers really happy now? He got away from a front office and coach he didn't like to play for an OC he likes, a bunch of young players that look up to him and several of his friends. 

JD blew it.

[Rich Thornburgh]

12 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Did he also suggest Saleh should name his next kid Aaron, but then later pretend he never actually liked Rodgers in the first place if things go south?

No but he recommended Saleh go into umbrella quarters preven the entire 4th quarter next time they face the Patriots and Bailey Zappe

 

Mangini is so smart.  Did you hear he drafted Revis, Brick and Mangold?

[rangerous]

Mangini is making a great point. I think one of fahrves issues is that he really didn’t want to play for the jets. He wanted the Vikings.  He did well but his heart wasn’t in it. It sounds like Rodgers very much wants to play for the jets. No telling what his motive is beyond the large contract. Maybe he’s just tired of playing in a podunk town and wants the limelight.  And he’s probably a little angered by the way he was pushed out in Green Bay and whatever rumors were probably being spun about him being on the decline.

we’ll see. So much of this game is between the ears.

[slimjasi]

15 hours ago, Beerfish said:

 

Can't wait till at least training camp, I feel uncomfortable when every one and their dog loves the jets.

I do, as well, but it honestly doesn't feel like that is the case. The vast majority will still pick the Bills to win the division. The consensus seems to be that we are probably a wild card team. 

[jetspenguin]

The Penguin is always right

[Embrace the Suck]

Always liked him, and thought he got a raw deal when a few jerkoffs revolted on him for holding people accountable. He left a good team for Rex to ride into the ground.

[slats]

1 hour ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Always liked him, and thought he got a raw deal when a few jerkoffs revolted on him for holding people accountable. He left a good team for Rex to ride into the ground.

Rex rode that team, with Sanchez instead of Favre, to back to back AFCCGs. Meanwhile, Mangini was busy running the Browns into the ground. I actually like cantankerous, sarcastic personalities, but I like coaches who can coach. 

[UntouchableCrew]

6 hours ago, slimjasi said:

I do, as well, but it honestly doesn't feel like that is the case. The vast majority will still pick the Bills to win the division. The consensus seems to be that we are probably a wild card team. 

What I'm not looking forward to is that for the first time since Rex it feels like there are a lot of people (including prominent media types) who are actively rooting for us to fail. If we stumble there's gonna be a lot of pile on.

 

45 minutes ago, slats said:

Rex rode that team, with Sanchez instead of Favre, to back to back AFCCGs. Meanwhile, Mangini was busy running the Browns into the ground. I actually like cantankerous, sarcastic personalities, but I like coaches who can coach. 

Mangini wasn't a good coach but I'll go to the grave giving him credit for building the core of that team. Revis, Brick, Harris, Mangold, Jenkins, Pace, Faneva, Woody, Leon, Brad Smith etc. He's the guy who gave Cotchery a chance when Herm had him buried on the depth chart.

Rex got more out of the team but Tannenbaum was an accountant and the team bled talent every year under Rex.

[slats]

39 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Mangini wasn't a good coach but I'll go to the grave giving him credit for building the core of that team. Revis, Brick, Harris, Mangold, Jenkins, Pace, Faneva, Woody, Leon, Brad Smith etc. He's the guy who gave Cotchery a chance when Herm had him buried on the depth chart.

I think that if Mangini actually had this ability to find talent that often gets assigned to him, he’d probably have gotten a front office job between his stint in Cleveland and now. But, of course, his last draft with the Jets sucked and that carried over pretty well to his next gig, and he was out of work until Jim Harbaugh picked him up in SF for a couple years and left him there went he went to Michigan. 
 
I mean, I understand lamenting missing out on a guy like Belichick, but Mangini has done exactly nothing since 2015, and not much before that. He’s still only 52 years old. Nobody in the NFL has an interest. That should say a lot. 

[UntouchableCrew]

3 minutes ago, slats said:

I think that if Mangini actually had this ability to find talent that often gets assigned to him, he’d probably have gotten a front office job between his stint in Cleveland and now. But, of course, his last draft with the Jets sucked and that carried over pretty well to his next gig, and he was out of work until Jim Harbaugh picked him up in SF for a couple years and left him there went he went to Michigan. 
 
I mean, I understand lamenting missing out on a guy like Belichick, but Mangini has done exactly nothing since 2015, and not much before that. He’s still only 52 years old. Nobody in the NFL has an interest. That should say a lot. 

There's some truth to this but I think part of it has to do with Spygate. I don't think the good ole boys club that is the NFL loves a narc. There are guys worse than Mangini that have stayed employed...

That said, at a bare minimum I think the fact that Mike Tannenbaum was a good GM under Mangini and an awful GM under Rex is more than coincidence.

[#27TheDominator]

15 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

There's some truth to this but I think part of it has to do with Spygate. I don't think the good ole boys club that is the NFL loves a narc. There are guys worse than Mangini that have stayed employed...

That said, at a bare minimum I think the fact that Mike Tannenbaum was a good GM under Mangini and an awful GM under Rex is more than coincidence.

Typical take on the Manginious.   He was blackballed because of spygate?  That was 2007.  He got hired in Cleveland in 2009 and then SF in 2013 under Harbaugh.  When Harbaugh ran out to Michigan Tomsula promoted him to DC moving back from the offensive side of the ball.  He failed at every stop.  That is why he doesn't work.

I think Tannenbaum gets a bum rap on the Rex years.  I don't think the players were worse, so much as the fit and culture.  Rex was a bunch of bluster and that kind of thing is tough to keep up.  I liked Rex, but he was not a rocket scientist keeping that team together.  A bunch of the guys drafted under Rex did fine elsewhere. Demario Davis is literally still kicking around.  Wilkerson was a very good pick.  Shonn Greene, Ducasse, Slauson, Kerley, Bilal Powell were all fine picks.  He didn't find another Revis.  That should not surprise anyone.  Tannenbaum also did okay in his stint in Miami.

As slats pointed out, if Mangini actually had so much to do with how good those first few drafts were, he would have a front office job.  There also isn't much discussion about why those stud players Mangini "selected" performed so much better under Rex. 

[rex-n-effect]

46 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I think Tannenbaum gets a bum rap on the Rex years.  I don't think the players were worse, so much as the fit and culture.  Rex was a bunch of bluster and that kind of thing is tough to keep up.  I liked Rex, but he was not a rocket scientist keeping that team together.  A bunch of the guys drafted under Rex did fine elsewhere. Demario Davis is literally still kicking around.  Wilkerson was a very good pick.  Shonn Greene, Ducasse, Slauson, Kerley, Bilal Powell were all fine picks.  He didn't find another Revis.  That should not surprise anyone.  Tannenbaum also did okay in his stint in Miami.

As slats pointed out, if Mangini actually had so much to do with how good those first few drafts were, he would have a front office job.  There also isn't much discussion about why those stud players Mangini "selected" performed so much better under Rex. 

Of the players drafted by Tannenbaum during the Rex years, less than a quarter are described by you as "fine" or better. You also have to attribute to him the poor FA acquisitions like Holmes and Tebow and the bloated contracts that required Idzik to come in and strip down the team to trash in 2012. I thought he was roundly criticized in Miami for the same bloated contracts and poor cap management. 

I don't think I've ever seen anybody praise Mangini as a great talent evaluator--I certainly don't think so. IMO Mangini seemed to decently understand how a functional team should be built. I don't think that makes him a genius. Rex was fixated on the defense and didn't seem to be a good talent evaluator at all. He seemed to like Tannenbaum's idea of buying big names and not paying attention to the rest of the roster. 

[Maynard13]

On 6/14/2023 at 3:24 PM, Bronx said:

 

 

Lets Go!

[UntouchableCrew]

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Typical take on the Manginious.   

Is it? 

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

He was blackballed because of spygate?  That was 2007.  He got hired in Cleveland in 2009 and then SF in 2013 under Harbaugh.  When Harbaugh ran out to Michigan Tomsula promoted him to DC moving back from the offensive side of the ball.  He failed at every stop.  That is why he doesn't work.

I never said he was "blackballed." But "he can't get work" is funny to me because guys far worse continue to have gainful employment in the NFL because they're in "the club." They're well connected. Mangini burned bridges when he outed BB. That seems kinda obvious to me.

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I think Tannenbaum gets a bum rap on the Rex years.  I don't think the players were worse,

Well you've outed yourself. Because they were.

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

so much as the fit and culture.

That too.

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

  Rex was a bunch of bluster and that kind of thing is tough to keep up.  I liked Rex, but he was not a rocket scientist keeping that team together.  A bunch of the guys drafted under Rex did fine elsewhere. Demario Davis is literally still kicking around.  Wilkerson was a very good pick.  Shonn Greene, Ducasse, Slauson, Kerley, Bilal Powell were all fine picks.  He didn't find another Revis.  That should not surprise anyone.  Tannenbaum also did okay in his stint in Miami.

I mean, virtually none of this is true. Rex literally traded out Braylon Edwards and Jericho Cotchery for Plaxico Burress and Derrick Mason. He drafted zeroes like the Louisville Slugger Calvin Pryor, Dee Milliner, Quineton Coples, and Kyle Wilson. The fact that you're trying to pretend Vlad Ducasse wasn't a disaster of a pick shows the straws you're grasping at.

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

As slats pointed out, if Mangini actually had so much to do with how good those first few drafts were, he would have a front office job.  There also isn't much discussion about why those stud players Mangini "selected" performed so much better under Rex. 

Rex was a better defensive coordinator than Mangini. Nobody on the planet is disputing that, so of course he got more out of Revis and Harris than Mangini did.

I'm just pointing out what to me is extremely obvious:

• The Jets roster drastically improved from the time Mangini was hired to when he was fired
• The Jets roster drastically got worse from the time Rex was hired to when he was fired.

Can anyone with a pulse argue otherwise?

[tfine]

Rex was great with X’s and O’s but he was a terrible talent evaluator…every single 1st round pick that was drafted under him was a bust…wait I’ll go further than that…EVERY draft pick was a bust….Stephen Hill over Alshon Jeffery and Kyle Wilson over Gronk still make my blood boil to this day…


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[Rich Thornburgh]

11 hours ago, tfine said:

Rex was great with X’s and O’s but he was a terrible talent evaluator…every single 1st round pick that was drafted under him was a bust…wait I’ll go further than that…EVERY draft pick was a bust….Stephen Hill over Alshon Jeffery and Kyle Wilson over Gronk still make my blood boil to this day…


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Rex said publicly he didn’t want Stephen Hill.  He and Bradway wanted to draft Russell Wilson that year but Woody instead traded for Tim Tebow

[Rich Thornburgh]

13 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Is it? 

I never said he was "blackballed." But "he can't get work" is funny to me because guys far worse continue to have gainful employment in the NFL because they're in "the club." They're well connected. Mangini burned bridges when he outed BB. That seems kinda obvious to me.

Well you've outed yourself. Because they were.

That too.

I mean, virtually none of this is true. Rex literally traded out Braylon Edwards and Jericho Cotchery for Plaxico Burress and Derrick Mason. He drafted zeroes like the Louisville Slugger Calvin Pryor, Dee Milliner, Quineton Coples, and Kyle Wilson. The fact that you're trying to pretend Vlad Ducasse wasn't a disaster of a pick shows the straws you're grasping at.

Rex was a better defensive coordinator than Mangini. Nobody on the planet is disputing that, so of course he got more out of Revis and Harris than Mangini did.

I'm just pointing out what to me is extremely obvious:

• The Jets roster drastically improved from the time Mangini was hired to when he was fired
• The Jets roster drastically got worse from the time Rex was hired to when he was fired.

Can anyone with a pulse argue otherwise?

Mangini was a mediocre defensive coordinator in New England before coming here.  The pats won for the same reason they always won it was all Tom Brady

 

Mangini flopped in Cleveland, flopped in San Francisco and 32 nfl teams today won’t touch him because he’s simply not good at anything.  I don’t care about jets fans retcon fantasies about him drafting Brick and Mangold he wasn’t the GM.

[UntouchableCrew]

3 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

 I don’t care about jets fans retcon fantasies about him drafting Brick and Mangold he wasn’t the GM.

Thanks for quoting me. I don't care what you think about anything and will post what I like.

[jgb]

35 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Thanks for quoting me. I don't care what you think about anything and will post what I like.