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He Followed Blockbuster '22 Draft with 'Historic Trade for the Franchise' to Get QB Aaron Rodgers

Eric Allen - Jun 27, 2023

This is one in a series of articles that will also appear in the New York Jets 2023 Yearbook, which will be published later this summer.

The surreal hasn't stopped Jets GM Joe Douglas.

"It's been a surreal three and a half, four months," he said in January. "Coming out of the gate the way we did, 6-3, overcoming some of the obstacles early in training camp and the injuries, having a huge win at home against Buffalo — that was surreal in a positive way. Now on the flip side with how we finished the season with the six-game losing streak — that's surreal in the negative way."But it was all positive vibes for Douglas and the Jets throughout the offseason. Two days prior to the NFL Draft, he made "a historic trade for this franchise" by acquiring future Hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers from Green Bay. To complete the trade, the Jets moved back two slots in the first round (13th to 15th) and also acquired a fifth-round pick (170th), while the Packers received second-round (42nd) and sixth-round (207th) picks plus a conditional second-round selection in 2024 that can become a first-rounder if Rodgers plays 65% of the plays this season.

"Obviously, we're comfortable with how this deal shaped," Douglas said. "I don't think anyone ever walks away from a negotiation where you feel like you won everything in terms of what's gone back and forth. But ultimately, our goal from the beginning was to add Aaron to the team, so we were able to get that."Two pillars of Douglas' 2022 draft class were recognized at this year's NFL Honors as CB Sauce Gardner and WR Garrett Wilson were named Defensive Rookie of the Year and Offensive Rookie of the Year, respectively, by The Associated Press. It marked only the third time since the rookie awards kicked off in 1967 that one team grabbed both honors.Besides Gardner and Wilson, Douglas has built a roster that features elite players that he drafted in OL Alijah Vera-Tucker and RB Breece Hall, signed in CB D.J. Reed, and a pair in DT Quinnen Williams and LB C.J. Mosley that he didn't discard just because of regime change. The Jets took a prudent approach in free agency this year as Douglas re-signed young LB Quincy Williams, continued to tinker with the offensive line, and shifted some pieces around in the wide receiver room, inking Allen Lazard (6-5, 227) and Mecole Hardman Jr. (sub 4.4 speed).

"I love Joe D," head coach Robert Saleh said, "because one of the hardest things to do in this league is to operate in humility and because, you know, this profession, especially when there's success, there's this disease of the me factor that jumps in. You can go off the deep end with a mindset of wanting credit and all that stuff."Joe just does a great job of orchestrating the way we all communicate," Saleh said. "You look at all the guys that he has on his staff, we're all in unison. We disagree a lot, don't get me wrong. But I think those open and honest discussions are where we can disagree without getting ticked at one another. I think it's healthy and I think it's why we've been able to have so much success over the last two years with bringing in the right guys."

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33 minutes ago, bicketybam said:
35 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:
Best, young GM in the league.  We are lucky to have him.  Will have an ozzie newsome run here.

What percent would you rate the likelihood of that? Over 100% or less than -3%?

I would imagine that he would say less than zero % chance that it doesn’t.

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Douglas Picking sauce and G Wilson was not rocket science. The real gem he found was Breece Hall, who beats Garett Wilson for OROY if stayed healthy. Was so huge in running and passing game. Saw how ineffective zach was after losing him. Douglas has been impressive getting the extra draft picks.  

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18 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Douglas Picking sauce and G Wilson was not rocket science. 

Sauce was a no-brainer but I'm sure if we went back we'd be seeing a lot of people demanding Jameson Williams at 10. 

Not that Jameson can't work out but he's obviously off to a rough start...

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17 hours ago, bicketybam said:
17 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:
Best, young GM in the league.  We are lucky to have him.  Will have an ozzie newsome run here.

What percent would you rate the likelihood of that? Over 100% or less than -3%?

..neither   😉

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17 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sauce was a no-brainer but I'm sure if we went back we'd be seeing a lot of people demanding Jameson Williams at 10. 

Not that Jameson can't work out but he's obviously off to a rough start...

Even more popular than Williams at 10 was Jermaine Johnson in that spot. Douglas got Wilson AND Johnson in that round. 

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18 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sauce was a no-brainer but I'm sure if we went back we'd be seeing a lot of people demanding Jameson Williams at 10. 

Not that Jameson can't work out but he's obviously off to a rough start...

They were ? You know he was hurt ? He is a freak, would have been selected before 10 if didn’t tear his ACL end of college career. He missed most of season last yr, and obviously wasn’t going to be a major factor right away. Douglas took the easy pick, Garrett was well rounded coming from a top program. Jameson wasn’t going to be much of a factor until his 2nd yr. 

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7 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

They were ? You know he was hurt ? He is a freak, would have been selected before 10 if didn’t tear his ACL end of college career. He missed most of season last yr, and obviously wasn’t going to be a major factor right away. Douglas took the easy pick, Garrett was well rounded coming from a top program. Jameson wasn’t going to be much of a factor until his 2nd yr. 

Not denying his 1st year was a redshirt year.  But then he also went and got himself suspended for 6 games to start year 2 to boot.  So...

If Jameson had been the pick over Garrett Wilson like some here wanted, no one would have been calling that the slam dunk, "easy" pick right now.  That's all I'm saying here.  

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2023 will tell the tale on the future of Surreal Joe Douglas in NY.

2024 would be the final year of his contract.  No Owner keeps a lame duck GM working on a final year.  They always get either re-signed to extension, or fired.

For 2023, Douglas has gone "all-in" with Rodgers in an effort to win now.  He spent alot to solve his consistent failures in addressing the QB position since his arrival in NY, with an all-time great future-HOF QB in Rodgers.  He's gone all-in for good reason; his career 20-46 (11-23 with Saleh) is very poor on it's face, excused and explained away by fans or not.  A barely .300 winning percentage does not generally keep one in their job for long in the NFL.

That said, his future will depend almost entirely on the success or failure of the 2023 team in the W/L column.  

  • If we win, and we make the playoffs and a run of almost any kind (min. of one playoff win), we almost assuredly will see JD resigned to a lucrative 4-6 year contract extension.
  • If we do not win, or do not make the postseason, JD is almost assuredly fired, and the Jets move on to try someone else.

The unknown will be if we finish better than 2022, but again not "better enough" to show real Super Bowl competitiveness.  Say, 9-7, but miss the post-season again.  Improvement, but the playoff-dearth continues unabated.  In that circumstance, I honestly don't know what Woody would do.

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not denying his 1st year was a redshirt year.  But then he also went and got himself suspended for 6 games to start year 2 to boot.  So...

If Jameson had been the pick over Garrett Wilson like some here wanted, no one would have been calling that the slam dunk, "easy" pick right now.  That's all I'm saying here.  

Exactly. Douglas couldn’t afford to gamble, after taking risks on becton, mimms, and of course zach Wilson at 2 overall. Most thought Garrett would be first WR and gone by 10, so makes the pick that much easier for Douglas. Drake London was already picked. At 6-5 and post up abilities, Douglas probably picks him knowing the highly inaccurate zach Wilson would find him a much easier target to throw to.

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I'll say it till I'm blue in the face.  The trend is our friend and there is a lot to like since some of JD's early failures

Since Zach ..  AVT, Carter II, Quincy Williams, DJ Reed, Conklin, Sauce, Garrett, Breece, JJ, Clemons, Ruckert, Mitchell, Rodgers.

NO GM has collected as much talent in the past 2 years.  Quite frankly, it's probably not even close.

This was only possible because he sacrificed cheap early tenure wins for future draft chips and a healthy salary cap.

His historical 2022 draft enabled us to attract a seemingly happy (chip on his shoulder) Aaron Rodgers.

Even what seem to be bad misses in Tomlinson & Uzomah can still turn it around.

But now is the year for wins.  No excuses.  Playoffs or bust!   

  

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Have to look at the overall job he has done. Believe he has brought a lot of respect to the organization. Has treated a large number of players with respect Clark being the latest that comes to mind giving him an opportunity in the front office. Has released or traded players giving them the opportunity to play for championships at the end of their careers. No this has not led to a large number of free agents signing but that takes time. Gaining respect from players and agents is a huge factor and I believe he is well on his way.

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37 minutes ago, Bocajetfan said:

Have to look at the overall job he has done. Believe he has brought a lot of respect to the organization. Has treated a large number of players with respect Clark being the latest that comes to mind giving him an opportunity in the front office. Has released or traded players giving them the opportunity to play for championships at the end of their careers. No this has not led to a large number of free agents signing but that takes time. Gaining respect from players and agents is a huge factor and I believe he is well on his way.

Wasn't Douglas like 3rd least trusted by agents? 

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3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Agents for Adams, Maye and Robbie wanted big paydays for their clients. JD made offers at what he felt were fair. In retrospect who placed a more accurate value on each of these players. I believe JD made the right call on each.

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15 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

So they ask the agents whose livelihood depends on the size of the contracts Douglas is willing to hand out and they rank him near last. Considering the success of the GMs below him I consider it a badge of honor.

 As for Douglas overall, I sense a more professional front office than the jets have had, maybe forever. 

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40 minutes ago, rangerous said:

So they ask the agents whose livelihood depends on the size of the contracts Douglas is willing to hand out and they rank him near last. Considering the success of the GMs below him I consider it a badge of honor.

 As for Douglas overall, I sense a more professional front office than the jets have had, maybe forever. 

^^  this  😎

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Sauce was a no-brainer but I'm sure if we went back we'd be seeing a lot of people demanding Jameson Williams at 10. 
Not that Jameson can't work out but he's obviously off to a rough start...

We’ve all seen a lot of “no brainer” draft picks flame out and underperform. I give GM’s the full credit when they get one that plays to their potential, the same as I kill them when they don’t because it’s their JOB to get it freaking right.
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19 hours ago, BloodGreen said:


We’ve all seen a lot of “no brainer” draft picks flame out and underperform. I give GM’s the full credit when they get one that plays to their potential, the same as I kill them when they don’t because it’s their JOB to get it freaking right.

^^  VERY true   😎

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Jets' Joe Douglas Has Unfinished Business to Address

General manager will be spending significant time at negotiating table in coming days

New York Jets' general manager Joe Douglas has some work to do in the two-plus weeks prior to the start of training camp.

First, neither of the team's top two 2023 draft picks has signed his rookie contract yet.Including the Jets' Will McDonald, only eight of the 31 first-round selections remain unsigned around the NFL. Edge rushers Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Luke Van Ness, all of whom were drafted ahead of McDonald, have inked deals with their respective teams.

McDonald, the No. 15 overall pick, was one of seven edge defenders taken in Round 1, but he is the only one yet to finalize a contract.The Jets must also agree to terms with second-rounder Joe Tippmann, who was the first center off the board and the No. 43 choice overall.John Michael Schmitz, who went to the New York Giants at No. 57 in the draft order, inked a four-year deal reportedly worth $6.3 million back in May. Schmitz was the next center selected after Tippmann went to the Jets.

The likelihood is high for the rookie deals to be completed in time for training camp, which kicks off July 19 in Florham Park. Since 2011, when a new Collective Bargaining Agreement took effect, the negotiating process for drafted players has changed drastically. The CBA features a rookie wage scale that slots players based upon draft position.There no longer exists much room for negotiation with only minor issues involving guaranteed money and bonuses being up for discussion between draftees and team brass.

The two draft picks present a small challenge compared to the heavy lifting Douglas must do in order to lock up All-Pro defensive tackle Quinnen Williams.Designated to play the 2023 campaign on the fifth-year option, Williams is seeking a new deal that pays market value. Productive defensive tackles Dexter Lawrence (Giants), Daron Payne (Commanders) and Jeffery Simmons (Titans) all recently received contracts that carry a $22+ million average annual value.

Williams, who welcomed a newborn into his family in May, did not attend the Jets' voluntary OTAs this spring. The former No. 3 overall draft pick is coming off a 2022 season during which he recorded a career-high 12.0 sacks and 28 quarterback hits.Jets' head coach Robert Saleh has expressed confidence that Williams and the organization will reach a resolution prior to the start of the NFL Preseason."I’ll let the business guys handle all that stuff, but it’s going to get done. He’ll be here for camp, he’ll be ready to roll and once he is," said Saleh during OTAs on June 6.

As the players' summer break winds down, the "business guys" have plenty of business to do over at 1 Jets Drive. 

rest of above article   >>  https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/joe-douglas-has-unfinished-business-to-address

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