15 - 43 - 77 - 170 = Bad Combination

[32EBoozer]

During this menopausal period waiting upon TC, I’ve been reviewing the whole AR trade / Draft results. Originally, I was a staunch “red line in the sand” supporter of hold out until after the Draft to make this trade. I see how important it has been having Rodgers at voluntary workouts and OTA’s before Training Camp, yet I wonder how far GB would have waited to trade Rodgers? If AR is everything we hoped for and the OL holds its own, then what we missed out on is a wash. If AR is in decline and we get 2022 stats vs. his MVP stat line, we are in for another difficult search for our FQB with a new coach & GM. Sending the conditional #1 in ‘24 was also a tough pill to swallow.

15: The uncertainty of the talent of our OL, the swapping of #13 for #15 screwed up our whole draft. While I understand the need at Edge for next year, the same could have been said for OT. Hopefully Warren & Mitchell can be our long-term answer and lessen the impact of missing out on Jones at #15.

43: While I understand why EM needed to go, I wonder if there weren’t a better deal to be had. If we waited to make the AR trade we would have had #42 & #43. That could have been a very good LB or DT

77: The number of picks that passed between our #43 - #120 selections. There was a lot of solid players taken in this range.. especially DT & LB. 

170: WTF?! Still don’t understand that selection.

Very excited for the season and hoping that the move for Rodgers doesn’t turn into another #SOJ talking point!

 

[Rhg1084]

Bro- we have Aaron Rodgers as our QB. Enough trying to dissect the trade. Even if we gave up too much, who cares? 

[32EBoozer]

10 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Bro- we have Aaron Rodgers as our QB. Enough trying to dissect the trade. Even if we gave up too much, who cares? 

Rhg…. Did you see this part of my post?

“During this menopausal period waiting upon TC, I’ve been reviewing the whole AR trade / Draft results”

While I enjoy the non-football discussions regarding streaming options, ESPN layoffs, dreams coming true and relocating out of NYC…. There isn’t a whole lot to talk about right now. Am I not allowed to review how we arrived at where we are as a team and how well our GM played his hand?

Shall we discuss our vegetable gardens instead? 😁

[Rhg1084]

8 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Rhg…. Did you see this part of my post?

“During this menopausal period waiting upon TC, I’ve been reviewing the whole AR trade / Draft results”

While I enjoy the non-football discussions regarding streaming options, ESPN layoffs, dreams coming true and relocating out of NYC…. There isn’t a whole lot to talk about right now. Am I not allowed to review how we arrived at where we are as a team and how well our GM played his hand?

Shall we discuss our vegetable gardens instead? 😁

Listen I hearya. But from watching those behind the scenes draft videos JD was well aware Pitt was gonna trade up for Jones. I don’t think he was even an option for us and McDonald was the pick all along. Does giving up the 1st next year sting a little bit? Sure. But this team is so loaded with talent that hopefully it’s an afterthought 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

In hindsight I would've just given 13 for Rodgers and kept our two seconds.

The conditional 2024 pick would've been a fourth or less. 

[Larz]

Picks always work out, they are a sure thing 

[Larz]

So what’s the value of not debating Wilson vs teddy 2 gloves today?

[32EBoozer]

23 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Listen I hearya. But from watching those behind the scenes draft videos JD was well aware Pitt was gonna trade up for Jones. I don’t think he was even an option for us and McDonald was the pick all along. Does giving up the 1st next year sting a little bit? Sure. But this team is so loaded with talent that hopefully it’s an afterthought 

McD was only a part of the equation. I have high hopes for him as a DPR this year and hopefully more next year.

Hoping Tippman steps in this year as the starting Center (making McGovern as the swing G) and Israel breaks off some big runs as well. 

This offseason was all about Rodgers and surrounding him with solid line play, a power running game and talent on the outside. Add to that the continuing development of the defense and we are hoping the uptick in scoring will be the difference between 7-10 and 11-6

[rex-n-effect]

[Barry McCockinner]

[Hal N of Provo]

One thing if for sure - that trade put an end to “JD fleeces everyone” talk.  

GB got great value.  The Jets needed AR by the time it went down - and GB was able to get a good deal in spite of needing to trade AR desperately   

I did not love how much was given up but I’m looking forward to the season with AR.  

[Bowles Movement]

We got 2 first rders plus for Adams who was demanding a huge new contract.   You think paying a 2 and the equivalent of a 2 for Rodgers is JD getting ripped off?

[Jetsplayer21]

18 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

One thing if for sure - that trade put an end to “JD fleeces everyone” talk.  

GB got great value.  The Jets needed AR by the time it went down - and GB was able to get a good deal in spite of needing to trade AR desperately   

I did not love how much was given up but I’m looking forward to the season with AR.  

I think it was huge for JD not to give into the automatic first. Hoping the chance is extremely low, but if rodgers missed more than 65%, we are looking at a very good #1 pick next yr if Zach Wilson is taking 40+ % of snaps. 

[32EBoozer]

16 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

We got 2 first rders plus for Adams who was demanding a huge new contract.   You think paying a 2 and the equivalent of a 2 for Rodgers is JD getting ripped off?

Does Rodgers 2 yr/$110m contract count?

#13 - #15 equivalent of a 3rd also

 

[Hal N of Provo]

23 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

I think it was huge for JD not to give into the automatic first. Hoping the chance is extremely low, but if rodgers missed more than 65%, we are looking at a very good #1 pick next yr if Zach Wilson is taking 40+ % of snaps. 

That clause protected him from the crippling scenario - AR gets injured, Zach doesn’t get better, the Jets lose their top 5 pick that could have been the long term QB. 
 

i don’t think any of that is happening but it would be crippling if it did.   Smart protection.   

[BornJetsFan1983]

4 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

During this menopausal period waiting upon TC, I’ve been reviewing the whole AR trade / Draft results. Originally, I was a staunch “red line in the sand” supporter of hold out until after the Draft to make this trade. I see how important it has been having Rodgers at voluntary workouts and OTA’s before Training Camp, yet I wonder how far GB would have waited to trade Rodgers? If AR is everything we hoped for and the OL holds its own, then what we missed out on is a wash. If AR is in decline and we get 2022 stats vs. his MVP stat line, we are in for another difficult search for our FQB with a new coach & GM. Sending the conditional #1 in ‘24 was also a tough pill to swallow.

15: The uncertainty of the talent of our OL, the swapping of #13 for #15 screwed up our whole draft. While I understand the need at Edge for next year, the same could have been said for OT. Hopefully Warren & Mitchell can be our long-term answer and lessen the impact of missing out on Jones at #15.

43: While I understand why EM needed to go, I wonder if there weren’t a better deal to be had. If we waited to make the AR trade we would have had #42 & #43. That could have been a very good LB or DT

77: The number of picks that passed between our #43 - #120 selections. There was a lot of solid players taken in this range.. especially DT & LB. 

170: WTF?! Still don’t understand that selection.

Very excited for the season and hoping that the move for Rodgers doesn’t turn into another #SOJ talking point!

 

That season last year he had would of had us deep in the playoffs

[slats]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

Does Rodgers 2 yr/$110m contract count?

#13 - #15 equivalent of a 3rd also

 

Ultimately, either the Jets have a successful season this year, or they don’t. The price of the deal will only matter if they don’t. I expected them to give up a second this year and a second that could become a first next year. They gave up a little more with the pick swap. If the Jets are preparing for the playoffs in the first week of January, I’ll be good. 

[32EBoozer]

23 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

That season last year he had would of had us deep in the playoffs

Yes. You’re absolutely correct. 

3,695 yds - 26 TD - 12 Int - 32 Sacks

91.1 QBR

Vs.

Cumulative Jets Passing Stats:

3,900 yds - 14 TD - 14 Int - 42 sacks -

74 QBR

 

[Bowles Movement]

2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Does Rodgers 2 yr/$110m contract count?

#13 - #15 equivalent of a 3rd also

 

We got another pick back in the 2023 draft from GB too.  

But regardless, are you suggesting that Rodgers one yr removed from MVP is somehow comparable to Adams, who we got a lot more in trade than what we paid for Rodgers?

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

We got another pick back in the 2023 draft from GB too.  

But regardless, are you suggesting that Rodgers one yr removed from MVP is somehow comparable to Adams, who we got a lot more in trade than what we paid for Rodgers?

2 totally different scenarios. One was going to be playing on a 5th year option and could be tagged for a couple of years by the team actually giving us a haul of Draft Capital. The other came to town being owed $110m over 2 years whether he retires or plays and would cost us Draft capital.

I think you got off track on my original post. I’m glad Rodgers is here!

[Bowles Movement]

9 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

2 totally different scenarios. One was going to be playing on a 5th year option and could be tagged for a couple of years by the team actually giving us a haul of Draft Capital. The other came to town being owed $110m over 2 years whether he retires or plays and would cost us Draft capital.

I think you got off track on my original post. I’m glad Rodgers is here!

Im glad that youre glad.   Should be a couple of exciting years here.

We can quibble over what we could have beaten up GB for to get Rodgers.  Maybe if JD had waited the price would have gone down.  But by how much, and would it have been worth it to have Wilson throwing passes as the number 1 in OTAs vs having ARod here building team unity and maybe luring in some more FAs?

[32EBoozer]

2 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

We can quibble over what we could have beaten up GB for to get Rodgers.  Maybe if JD had waited the price would have gone down.  But by how much, and would it have been worth it to have Wilson throwing passes as the number 1 in OTAs vs having ARod here building team unity and maybe luring in some more FAs?

Agreed. My OP stated the following:

Originally, I was a staunch “red line in the sand” supporter of hold out until after the Draft to make this trade. I see how important it has been having Rodgers at voluntary workouts andOTA’s before Training Camp, yet I wonder how far GBwould have waited to trade Rodgers?

Jets players are excited to have a 1st Ballot HOF QB “In-The-House” and hope has returned to 1JD. That’s a powerful incentive for every player to use the 6 weeks before TC to be in top physical condition when they return. 
 

I also expect the coaching staff to be on their game when players are looking to be coached up. Last season there were some comments from players regarding a lot of wasted time at practices. I think Aaron Rodgers is used to well organized practices where things run in a timely and efficient manner. Saleh & Albricht better be ready to roll. 
 

We have a small window to maximize Rodgers  time here. Everyone must be ready to perform at their highest level to bring a championship to this organization and fan base.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

20 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

One thing if for sure - that trade put an end to “JD fleeces everyone” talk.  

GB got great value.  The Jets needed AR by the time it went down - and GB was able to get a good deal in spite of needing to trade AR desperately   

I did not love how much was given up but I’m looking forward to the season with AR.  

No. That is not for sure. You occasionally have to get fleeced on a trade to land the guy you want. No matter what people tell you, GB was in the driver's seat. In general, when there is a fleecing, JD is the one who knocks. JD fleeces more than he gets fleeced. No doubt he got fleeced in the GB trade, but that was always going to be the case.