Larz Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Man if the pass rush is legit this defense is going to be feasting 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Defense has the chance to be great. Our corners are elite. Like you said, if the pass rush can get close to them, we have the chance of being a top 3 defense. Game changing defense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 The Browns can be VERY good. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larz Posted July 5, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: The Browns can be VERY good. 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Not that pff has a ton of credibility it would be interesting to see how each portion of the defense stacks up against other teams as a measure of how good it is or can be. I think one issue is that saleh plays that nine wide where other teams are four- three or three- four. Maybe that’s a little nit picky since no team plays strictly one way. I also believe in the Al Davis rule where you build defenses from the corners in, instead of the dline out. Dline are important but maybe the corners are where you use the high draft pick values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 The Jets ONLY getting "Secondary" on this list proves they aren't #Allin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 PFF is pure trash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Larz said: They're going to get top 5 QB this year.... Along with what seems to be a great OL and running game. They will be very tough to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Is Miami's defensive line really that good? Who are their top guys besides Christian Wilkins? EDIT: I guess I forgot they traded for Bradley Chubb. I'm still kinda shocked that's the best group in the AFC. Doesn't scare me that much on paper. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Is Miami's defensive line really that good? Who are their top guys besides Christian Wilkins? 3-4 DL guys always grade out too high on PFF, which clouds the picture. Their other starters are Raekwon Davis (NT) and Zach Sieler. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 I’d take our DL in a heartbeat over Miami’s. PFF is a joke on this. They rated 2 of their 3 starting 3-4 DL (Davis and Ogbah) in the mid 40s to low 50s last year. That’s below starting quality per their grading system. OK, they have Christian Wilkins in the mid 80s. I’ve always had the impression he was a very good player. No argument there. And if they are including Bradley Chubb in the equation, I think he’s overrated because of his huge swings in consistency. Even so, he graded in the same range as Carl Lawson and only had 1 more sack. Complete joke. PFF had Quinnen and Huff both rated in the low 90s last year, JFM not too far behind Wilkins, Clemons just shy of 80 as an elite run stopper, JJ in the low 70s and one of their better Edge setters. To be fair on the flip side, our CBs might be at the top but too many question marks about our safeties to put our secondary at the top. My own rankings would have the Jets DL and CBs near the very top of the AFC, with the DL winning any tie breakers based on quality of depth. Safeties and LBs would likely be near the bottom unless Tony Adams and Jamie Sherwood are big hits. If you have to have weaknesses, those would be the defensive positions to have them at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: Is Miami's defensive line really that good? Who are their top guys besides Christian Wilkins? EDIT: I guess I forgot they traded for Bradley Chubb. I'm still kinda shocked that's the best group in the AFC. Doesn't scare me that much on paper. Miami has a tough defense all around. So no knock on them. But I agree, their DL doesnt seem like it should be tops in the league. I’ll take the Eagles DL all day. The Commanders might be better as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: They're going to get top 5 QB this year.... Along with what seems to be a great OL and running game. They will be very tough to beat. The same QB who sucked, absolutely sucked but somehow you have him returning to form with Rodgers going into a spiral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, GreenFish said: Miami has a tough defense all around. So no knock on them. But I agree, their DL doesnt seem like it should be tops in the league. I’ll take the Eagles DL all day. The Commanders might be better as well. AFC units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: AFC units. Ohh. Missed that key detail. Took a closer look at the AFCE DLs. Holy cow. There’s an argument for each team. It’s going to be a blood bath. QBs better get the ball out quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: The same QB who sucked, absolutely sucked but somehow you have him returning to form with Rodgers going into a spiral. 27 v. 40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: PFF is a joke that's all you needed to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 The safeties are completely unspectacular, which only speakers further to how great their CBs are to be considered the top secondary. That's not unjustified either though, as I cannot imagine there's a single safety in the league that any of us would trade either Sauce or Reed for. The DL has potential but needs to have some of the guys not named Quinnen start to have a greater (and more consistent) return on the field. The most likely answer would be to slide JFM inside and start having some of the slew of hyped-up DEs brought in over the past few years show it on the field, but we'll see. The LBs are easily the team's worst unit now that they got a QB, so we mostly just have to hope that some of the unseen depth the team supposedly likes what they've seen in practice can start to show something. Mosley is arguably the league's most overpaid player and the Quincy contract honestly seemed more like an unsuccessful negotiation tactic as much as anything. However, if the DL can play up to their potential, that's also probably the position this defense can most get away with as the least impressive, although need to not be wasting so much money there in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: 27 v. 40 MVP the two prior seasons 1st ballot HOF’r vs a predator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 My feet hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 10 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: PFF is pure trash. You should make a bot that automatically posts this in every thread that mentions PFF in the title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hex said: You should make a bot that automatically posts this in every thread that mentions PFF in the title. I already looked into it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Philly had a ridiculous 70 sacks last year so id still rate them 1st overall DL. But when it comes to us and Miami?! I’m taking our DL all day. We are just so loaded and so much depth it will be tough to slow down this onslaught EDGE: Lawson, McDonald, JFM, Huff, JJ, Clemons IDL: Q, Al Woods , Solomn Thomas, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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