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13 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

why do people insist on posting political crap when its literally like one of the only things on this forum you can't do??

That was definitely posted to slam the "no-politics" rule on this board. @32EBoozer has been here forever.  He knows better.  Just one of those a-hole moments I guess.  It happens.

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23 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

why do people insist on posting political crap when its literally like one of the only things on this forum you can't do??

Two rules, really. No politics, and don’t be a dick. If you know the first one and post your crap anyway, you’re actually breaking both. 

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Well, beyond my lighthearted attempt at humor, I will say that Lawson & JFM had a season that got lost in the wake of Q’s dominant All-Pro season.

It’s difficult to determine the impact players can have along the DL… especially when they are only playing 25% - 50% of snaps. 
 

With Clemons sliding inside this year more often, I can see the per/play impact of QW, JFM, Woods, Clemons & JFM increasing as their snap counts lessen but their performance likely increases. 

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5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

just posting image so it's easier to read without clicking through to twitter

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Jets & Eagles lead with 3 each. Chiefs, Titans & Vikings 2 each.

Dexter Lawrence is a beast. He’s downright powerful; while Q is quick, agile and strong.

 

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33 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

i don't think so. i've been here for years and i was banned once for being a d*ck. i deserved it. i think there is a threshold.....and obviously if you've been here a long time you might get a bit more leeway than a new poster, but for the most part this forum is moderated very well. we are allowed to say a lot, just don't cross that line

Well, I've been here since JN opened up...that was 2005.  I'm not going to post the topic, but it was a month ago and someone posted something that had nothing to do with football and specifically, Jets football.  It was allowed to run for 5 pages...maybe more.  I said it should have been posted in the lounge and it did become political.  I called out the mods for letting it go and I got slammed for it from some posters.  The younger Night Stalker would have blown up the place, but now that I'm a lot older, I took off a few weeks.

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That's been Lawson's deal for his entire career.  Good at his initial jump off the snap and getting close, but rarely ever actually manages to finish the play.  As a general rule, the idea is there are ups and downs with that for all players throughout their career of how it translates to the actual sack numbers, and one down year should be made up for with an up year, which just all averages out over time.

However, when the low rate of finishing the play is a constant for a player throughout their entire career, it is unquestionably a flaw in their own performance.  In the case of Lawson, mostly that he has a good jump off the snap but too often when he starts getting in close, he gets pushed out wide and/or the QB steps up, and he overruns the play.

Don't get me wrong, that's still better than many past Jets "rushers" who would get stood up at the line from the snap, but in the end shows why Lawson made it to FA in the first place and the Jets 3-year deal was his best offer.  With the recent year additions there should be plenty of competition at DE, so here's hoping one or two of them step it up this season, regardless of which of them that is.

JFM on the other hand, seems all but certain to be sliding inside this year, due to both far more people competing on the outside and really no one worth a damn at DT other than of course Quinnen.

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11 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It's kind of unreal how many teams have far better LB units who are all combined paid less than Mosley.  It's the total lack of effort at the position that's really the puzzling part there.

I get that he's a leader and calls the defense, but him making the Pro Bowl last year was kind of silly IMO...

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3 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Well, beyond my lighthearted attempt at humor, I will say that Lawson & JFM had a season that got lost in the wake of Q’s dominant All-Pro season.

It’s difficult to determine the impact players can have along the DL… especially when they are only playing 25% - 50% of snaps. 
 

With Clemons sliding inside this year more often, I can see the per/play impact of QW, JFM, Woods, Clemons & JFM increasing as their snap counts lessen but their performance likely increases. 

JFM is a very valuable and under appreciated player for us because he’s so versatile and effective.  Yes, he deserves criticism for those 2 boneheaded late hits just like CJ Mosley deserves criticism for his equally boneheaded offsides at Buffalo and broken coverage that allowed Detroit to win late.

Franklin Myers is both one of the best IN THE LEAGUE at setting the Edge against the run and pressuring the QB vs the pass from the inside (would like to see his usage here grow this year).

Lawson was not great last year and despite making some clutch plays, he disappeared for long stretches.  His pressure rate was about league average for a player who was known for pressures even if the sacks never added up to double digits.  That’s why he got paid.  His get off remained in the very good range but he relied too heavily on the bull rush.

JFM is 26 / turning 27 and entering his prime.  Gotten better overall each year with the Jets.  Believe this could be a breakout year.  

Lawson just turned 28 and now 2nd year removed from Achilles.  I have a feeling he puts it all together this year .. with this line.

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1 hour ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

Well, I've been here since JN opened up...that was 2005.  I'm not going to post the topic, but it was a month ago and someone posted something that had nothing to do with football and specifically, Jets football.  It was allowed to run for 5 pages...maybe more.  I said it should have been posted in the lounge and it did become political.  I called out the mods for letting it go and I got slammed for it from some posters.  The younger Night Stalker would have blown up the place, but now that I'm a lot older, I took off a few weeks.

they do give a fair bit of leeway. its pretty hard to get banned here or get a thread locked.

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8 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

JFM is a very valuable and under appreciated player for us because he’s so versatile and effective.  Yes, he deserves criticism for those 2 boneheaded late hits just like CJ Mosley deserves criticism for his equally boneheaded offsides at Buffalo and broken coverage that allowed Detroit to win late.

Franklin Myers is both one of the best IN THE LEAGUE at setting the Edge against the run and pressuring the QB vs the pass from the inside (would like to see his usage here grow this year).

Lawson was not great last year and despite making some clutch plays, he disappeared for long stretches.  His pressure rate was about league average for a player who was known for pressures even if the sacks never added up to double digits.  That’s why he got paid.  His get off remained in the very good range but he relied too heavily on the bull rush.

JFM is 26 / turning 27 and entering his prime.  Gotten better overall each year with the Jets.  Believe this could be a breakout year.  

Lawson just turned 28 and now 2nd year removed from Achilles.  I have a feeling he puts it all together this year .. with this line.

Lawson will never hit double digit sacks in his career 

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1 minute ago, jgb said:

Lawson will never hit double digit sacks in his career 

I wouldn’t argue otherwise.  Prior to NY, he was a disruptive pressure guy but not a big sack guy.

Last year he got 7 playing with a better Dline and secondary than he had at the time with Cincy.  But he didn’t look great IMO.

This year, he should be better with the Achilles farther in the rear view and playing with what should be a better, more seasoned Dline and year 2 of a strong secondary.

His usage rate will also impact his numbers.  I see him in the 7-9 sack range with a much better pressure rate but overall lower usage.

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Miami, Buffalo and the Pats all have better individual Edge rushers on paper at this point in time.

But that’s where individual accolades are incomplete when thinking about how good a team is at a position.

The Jets have a real opportunity to have the best Edge performance in the division because they’re deep, play with fresh legs due to their rotation, and have a nice blend of versatility (JFM, Clemons) & high end specialists (Huff, Woods, McDonald).  

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4 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

just posting image so it's easier to read without clicking through to twitter

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QW, Lawson and JFM.  Three very different types of players all showing up in this list.  To me that says.... coaching.  Yes, they're all talented but I think Saleh, Ulbrich & Co. do have a knack for coaching up the DLine.  It's obviously been a big focus of Saleh since his days in Seattle.  Guys like Huff continuing to play a bit above themselves speaks to this as well.  Makes me really optimistic about how JJ in Year 2 and Will McDonald as a rookie could step up and emerge this year.

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11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

 

QW, Lawson and JFM.  Three very different types of players all showing up in this list.  To me that says.... coaching.  Yes, they're all talented but I think Saleh, Ulbrich & Co. do have a knack for coaching up the DLine.  It's obviously been a big focus of Saleh since his days in Seattle.  Guys like Huff continuing to play a bit above themselves speaks to this as well.  Makes me really optimistic about how JJ in Year 2 and Will McDonald as a rookie could step up and emerge this year.

I think you've made a great point here.

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