The O-line thread

[Larz]

Just going to post OLine stuff

AVT getting love. 
 

 

[WeCantDraftGoodQBs]

Makes sense to have an OL thread because our OL will ultimately determine how our season goes. If our OL stays healthy anything is possible this year. But if we have a repeat of last year with our OL, it's going to be tough for AR to try and get us to the post-season promise land.

[Saul Goodman]

When can Duane Brown start practicing? Clock is ticking. The sooner all five positions on the offensive line are settled as far who is starting, the better. 

[Bronx]

Dwayne should sit until Rodgers plays a snap.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

Just going to post OLine stuff

AVT getting love. 
 

 

At least on passing downs...

Wirfs will now have to hold his blocks for an extra half a second more than he had to before.

AVT will now have to hold his blocks for half a second less than he had to before.

[Larz]

2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

At least on passing downs...

Wirfs will now have to hold his blocks for an extra half a second more than he had to before.

AVT will now have to hold his blocks for half a second less than he had to before.

I’m confused. This was a fantasy draft for 3 respected o-line evaluators. One of them picked AVT for his RG. I thought that was cool 

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, Larz said:

I’m confused. This was a fantasy draft for 3 respected o-line evaluators. One of them picked AVT for his RG. I thought that was cool 

Believe it or not, I wasn't taking a shot at you. 

It'll be interesting if Wirfs is just as good at LT holding his blocks for significantly longer.

On the other hand, AVT will have an easier time because he'll be asked to hold his blocks for less time.

What part of this is terrible?

[Larz]

Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

Believe it or not, I wasn't taking a shot at you. 

It'll be interesting if Wirfs is just as good at LT holding his blocks for significantly longer.

On the other hand, AVT will have an easier time because he'll be asked to hold his blocks for less time.

What part of this is terrible?

Oh do you mean them as a unit ?  I didn’t understand that part my bad 

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, Larz said:

Oh do you mean them as a unit ?  I didn’t understand that part my bad 

Individually --

This year, Wirfs's job will be harder than it'd been previously. AVT's will be easier than it'd been previously.

Nothing more than that is implied.

[Beerfish]

Mitchell getting some forced playing time last year was a blessing in disguise imo.

[Larz]

https://open.substack.com/pub/trenchwarfare/p/the-2023-ol-almanac?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

 

Thorns almanac 

[Larz]

We will go division by division with analysis and fun facts about each offensive line unit. Their rank for each metric league-wide will also be provided (these will be updated prior to Week 1 once lineups are set):

Experience level (combined games started)

Combined age (youngest to oldest)

Total draft capital (highest to lowest)

Combined weight (heaviest to lightest)

Combined relative athletic score (RAS)

Weight-adjusted RAS ranking

Longest tenured line coaches

Breakout unit

Strongest/most powerful player

Highest paid units

Best contract value in 2023 cap dollars

Most represented college football conferences

Takeaways and parting thoughts

[Larz]

Experience Level

Division rank-Team-Combined games started-NFL rank

AFC South

1. Colts: 265 - 13th in the NFL

2. Texans: 179 - 27th in the NFL

3. Jaguars: 146 - 30th in the NFL

4. Titans: 90 - 31st in the NFL

AFC West

1. Chiefs: 369 - 7th in the NFL

2. Broncos: 249 - 16th in the NFL

3. Chargers: 203 - 23rd in the NFL

4. Raiders: 185 - 26th in the NFL

AFC East

1. Jets: 457 - 1st in the NFL

2. Patriots: 392 - 2nd in the NFL

3. Dolphins: 289 - 8th in the NFL

4. Bills: 251 - 15th in the NFL

AFC North

1. Ravens: 387 - 3rd in the NFL

2. Browns: 379 - 4th in the NFL

3. Steelers: 266 - 12th in the NFL

4. Bengals: 260 - 14th in the NFL

NFC South

1. Falcons: 279 - 10th in the NFL

2. Saints: 277 - 11th in the NFL

3. Panthers: 240 - 18th in the NFL

4. Bucs: 217 - 21st in the NFL

NFC West

1. 49ers: 219 - 20th in the NFL

2. Cardinals: 194 - 24th in the NFL

3. Rams: 155 - 29th in the NFL

4. Seahawks: 83 - 32nd in the NFL

NFC East

1. Cowboys: 379 - 4th in the NFL

2. Eagles: 373 - 6th in the NFL

3. Commanders: 231 - 19th in the NFL

4. Giants: 156 - 28th in the NFL

NFC North

1. Lions: 285 - 9th in the NFL

2. Packers: 244 - 17th in the NFL

3. Vikings: 216 - 22nd in the NFL

4. Bears: 191 - 25th in the NFL

[Larz]

Combined age - NFL rank

Division rank-Team-Combined age of unit-NFL rank

AFC South

1. Colts: 135 - T-15th oldest in the NFL

2. Texans: 131 - 25th oldest in the NFL

3. Titans: 129 - 27th oldest in the NFL

4. Jaguars: 127 - 30th oldest in the NFL

AFC West

1. Broncos: 138 - 8th oldest in the NFL

2. Raiders: 135 - T-15th oldest in the NFL

3. Chiefs: 135 - T-15th oldest in the NFL

4. Chargers: 130 - 26th oldest in the NFL

AFC East

1. Jets: 147 - T-1st oldest in the NFL

2. Patriots: 147 - T-1st oldest in the NFL

3. Dolphins: 136 - 9th oldest in the NFL

4. Bills: 134 - 20th oldest in the NFL

AFC North

1. Ravens: 147 - T-1st oldest in the NFL

2. Browns: 142 - T-4th oldest in the NFL

3. Bengals: 136 - 9th oldest in the NFL

4. Steelers: 134 - 20th oldest in the NFL

NFC South

1. Panthers: 136 - T-9th oldest in the NFL

2. Bucs: 136 - T-9th oldest in the NFL

3. Saints: 133 - T-22nd oldest in the NFL

4. Falcons: 133 - T-22nd oldest in the NFL

NFC West

1. 49ers: 142 - T-4th oldest in the NFL

2. Cardinals: 135 - T-15th oldest in the NFL

3. Rams: 133 - T-22nd oldest in the NFL

4. Seahawks: 126 - T-31st oldest in the NFL

NFC East

1. Eagles: 143 - 3rd oldest in the NFL

2. Cowboys: 140 - 7th oldest in the NFL

3. Commanders: 136 - 9th oldest in the NFL

4. Giants: 126 - T-31st oldest in the NFL

NFC North

1. Lions: 136 - T-9th oldest in the NFL

2. Packers: 135 - T-15th oldest in the NFL

3. Bears: 129 - T-27th oldest in the NFL

4. Vikings: 129 - T-27th oldest in the NFL

[Larz]

Total draft capital (highest to lowest)

AFC South

1. Texans: T-3rd highest in the NFL

2. Jaguars: T=7th highest in the NFL

3. Colts: T-15th highest in the NFL

4. Titans: 28th highest in the NFL

AFC West

1. Broncos: T-10th highest in the NFL

2. Chiefs: T-17th highest in the NFL

3. Chargers: 20th highest in the NFL

4. Raiders: 31st highest in the NFL

AFC East

1. Dolphins: T-3rd highest in the NFL

2. Jets: T-3rd highest in the NFL

3. Bills: T-10th highest in the NFL

4. Patriots: T-29th highest in the NFL

AFC North

1. Browns: T=7th highest in the NFL

2. Ravens: T-10th highest in the NFL

3. Steelers: T-17th highest in the NFL

4. Bengals: 23rd highest in the NFL

NFC South

1. Saints: 1st highest in the NFL

2. Falcons: T-3rd highest in the NFL

3. Panthers: T-15th highest in the NFL

4. Bucs: T-25th highest in the NFL

NFC West

1. Seahawks: T=20th highest in the NFL

2. Cardinals: T-20th highest in the NFL

3. 49ers: 27th highest in the NFL

4. Rams: 29th highest in the NFL

NFC East

1. Giants: T-10th highest in the NFL

2. Cowboys: T-17th highest in the NFL

3. Eagles: T-25th highest in the NFL

4. Commanders: 32nd highest in the NFL

NFC North

1. Vikings: 2nd highest in the NFL

2. Lions: T-7th highest in the NFL

3. Bears: 14th highest in the NFL

4. Packers: 24th highest in the NFL

[Larz]

Total unit weight - Heaviest to lightest

Division rank-Team-Combined weight of unit-NFL rank

AFC South

1. Jaguars: 1577 pounds - 15th heaviest in the NFL

2. Texans: 1576 pounds - T-16th heaviest in the NFL

3. Colts: 1560 pounds - T-24th heaviest in the NFL

4. Titans: 1518 pounds - 32nd heaviest in the NFL

AFC West

1. Chiefs: 1595 pounds - 9th heaviest in the NFL

2. Chargers: 1564 pounds - T-21st heaviest in the NFL

3. Broncos: 1560 pounds - T-24th heaviest in the NFL

4. Raiders: 1554 pounds - 26th heaviest in the NFL

AFC East

1. Patriots: 1640 pounds - 1st heaviest in the NFL

2. Jets: 1629 pounds - 3rd heaviest in the NFL

3. Bills: 1601 pounds - 5th heaviest in the NFL

4. Dolphins: 1587 pounds - 13th heaviest in the NFL

AFC North

1. Ravens: 1605 pounds - 4th heaviest in the NFL

2. Bengals: 1592 pounds - 11th heaviest in the NFL

3. Browns: 1570 pounds - 20th heaviest in the NFL

4. Steelers: 1563 pounds - 23rd heaviest in the NFL

 

NFC South

1. Bucs: 1583 pounds - 14th heaviest in the NFL

2. Panthers: 1575 pounds - 18th heaviest in the NFL

3. Saints: 1574 pounds - 19th heaviest in the NFL

4. Falcons: 1545 pounds - T-27th heaviest in the NFL

NFC West

1. Seahawks: 1590 pounds - 12th heaviest in the NFL

2. Cardinals: 1576 pounds - T-16th heaviest in the NFL

3. Rams: 1564 pounds - T-21st heaviest in the NFL

4. 49ers: 1545 pounds - T-27th heaviest in the NFL

NFC East

1. Eagles: 1638 pounds - 2nd heaviest in the NFL

2. Giants: 1600 pounds - 6th heaviest in the NFL

3. Cowboys: 1593 pounds - 10th heaviest in the NFL

4. Commanders: 1545 pounds - T-27th heaviest in the NFL

NFC North

1. Bears: 1598 pounds - 7th heaviest in the NFL

2. Lions: 1596 pounds - 8th heaviest in the NFL

3. Vikings: 1544 pounds - 30th heaviest in the NFL

4. Packers: 1542 pounds - 31st heaviest in the NFLN

[Larz]

Most athletic unit via their RAS

Division rank-Unit-Combined RAS-NFL rank

*There were 18 projected starters without a complete RAS score. The units with those players will be notated in the rankings below

AFC South

1. Colts: 47.3 RAS - 2nd highest in the NFL

2. Titans: 38.5 RAS - 12th highest in the NFL

3. Jaguars: 33.8 RAS - 21st highest in the NFL

Projected starting LG Ben Bartch (competing with Tyler Shatley) has an incomplete RAS, dropping down the overall unit’s rankings. If Shatley were to win the job (his RAS is 8.76), the unit would climb up the rankings.

This score is with Walker Little at LT and not Cam Robinson, who is serving a six-game PED suspension to open the season. Once Robinson inserts back into the lineup the unit’s ranking will drop slightly, but keep an eye out for Little potentially taking over at left guard at some point this season in place of Bartch/Shatley.

4. Texans: 29.3 RAS - 26th highest in the NFL

LT Laremy Tunsil had an incomplete RAS as a prospect due to not participating in the 40-yard dash or agility drills at the combine or his pro day. Tunsil is clearly one of the most athletic tackles in the league, so it is fair to say the Texans would rank higher as a unit if Tunsil had a complete score.

AFC West

1. Chargers: 41.3 RAS - 8th highest in the NFL

2. Chiefs: 37.8 RAS - 13th highest in the NFL

RT Jawaan Taylor does not have a completed RAS, but it didn’t negatively impact the Chiefs ranking due to the other four starters having a RAS of 8.00 (Donovan Smith) or higher. The strength of this unit is the interior trio who in addition to being excellent players, all have an elite RAS score of 9.89 or higher.

3. Broncos: 31.6 RAS - 23rd highest in the NFL

RT Mike McGlinchey does not have a completed RAS

4. Raiders: 29.6 RAS - 25th highest in the NFL

RG Alex Bars does not have a completed RAS

AFC East

1. Bills: 44.4 RAS - 3rd highest in the NFL

2. Jets: 43.3 RAS - 5th highest in the NFL

This score is based on incumbent starting center Connor McGovern winning a camp battle with rookie second-round pick Joe Tippmann. If Tippmann were to win (highly possible), his incomplete RAS would drop the unit’s ranking, although Tippmann is clearly a very good athlete in his own right. Despite the unit’s combined RAS dropping in that scenario and making them appear less athletic on paper, they would actually become more athletic with Tippmann’s youth and upgraded movement skills.

3. Dolphins: 28.0 RAS - 27th highest in the NFL

Both LG Isaiah Wynn and RG Robert Hunt have incomplete RAS. Wynn is in a battle for the job with incumbent starter Liam Eichenberg. If Eichenberg were to win the job, his RAS of 8.55 would boost the unit’s ranking.

4. Patriots: 26.4 RAS - 28th highest in the NFL

RG Michael Onwenu has an incomplete RAS

AFC North

1. Browns: 43.8 RAS - 4th highest in the NFL

2. Steelers: 35.1 RAS - 19th highest in the NFL

3. Ravens: 34.0 RAS - 20th highest in the NFL

4. Bengals: 21.1 RAS - 32nd highest in the NFL

LT Orlando Brown Jr. and RG Alex Cappa each have a RAS score under ‘3,’ sinking the unit’s overall ranking. Brown and Cappa are also the unit’s best overall players, which should serve as a reminder to not automatically equate a more athletic player on paper with a better player on the field. 

NFC South

1. Falcons: 47.6 RAS - 1st highest in the NFL

2. Saints: 36.7 RAS - 15th highest in the NFL

RT Ryan Ramczyk has an incomplete RAS. Every other starter has a score of 8.53 or higher.

3. Panthers: 36.5 RAS - 17th highest in the NFL

4. Bucs: 31.1 RAS - 24th highest in the NFL

Projected starting RT Luke Goedeke has an incomplete RAS.

NFC West

1. Seahawks: 42.3 RAS - 6th highest in the NFL

2. 49ers: 39.1 RAS - 10th highest in the NFL

3. Cardinals: 25.4 RAS - 29th highest in the NFL

Projected starting LG Elijah Wilkinson and RT Paris Johnson Jr. each have an incomplete RAS. If Johnson did all of his testing chances are he would’ve scored highly and Wilkinson is in a tight race for the job and may not even be the starter.

4. Rams: 22.8 RAS - 31st highest in the NFL

This score is based on Alaric Jackson (3.28 RAS) winning the LT job over Joe Noteboom (8.42 RAS, but carries injury concerns) and Tremayne Anchrum (4.47 RAS) winning the LG job over Logan Bruss (8.69 RAS). If Noteboom and/or Logan Bruss win those jobs this unit’s score would be significantly higher. 

NFC East

1. Commanders: 40.4 RAS - 9th highest in the NFL

This score is with Nick Gates (3.58 RAS) winning the LG spot. The unit’s score would be much higher if Chris Paul (9.48 RAS) were to win the job.

2. Eagles: 37.4 RAS - 14th highest in the NFL

LG Landon Dickerson has an incomplete RAS. Every other starter has a RAS of 8.61 (Jordan Mailata) or higher.

3. Cowboys: 35.7 RAS - 18th highest in the NFL

C Tyler Biadasz has an incomplete RAS.

4. Giants: 25.3 RAS - 30th highest in the NFL

RT Evan Neal and projected starting LG Ben Bredeson both have incomplete RAS. Bredeson is in a battle for the job with multiple players, so this ranking may shift prior to Week 1 once lineups are set.

NFC North

1. Bears: 42.3 RAS - 7th highest in the NFL

2. Lions: 38.7 RAS - 11th highest in the NFL

3. Vikings: 36.7 RAS - 15th highest in the NFL

LT Christian Darrisaw has an incomplete RAS

4. Packers: 33.6 RAS - 22nd highest in the NFL

C Josh Myers has an incomplete RAS

[Larz]

Weight-adjusted RAS ranking

Division rank-team-combined weight/RAS-weight adjusted NFL rank

AFC South

1. Colts: 1560 weight/47.3 RAS = 10th best in the NFL

2. Jaguars: 1577 weight/33.8 RAS = T-17th best in the NFL

3. Texans: 1576 weight/29.3 RAS - 23rd best in the NFL

4. Titans: 1518 weight/38.5 RAS - 26th best in the NFL

AFC West

1. Chiefs: 1595 weight/37.8 RAS = 7th best in the NFL

2. Chargers: 1564 weight/41.3 RAS = T-13th best in the NFL

3. Broncos: 1560 weight/31.6 RAS - 29th best in the NFL

4. Raiders: 1554 weight/29.6 RAS - 30th best in the NFL

AFC East

T-1. Bills: 1601 weight/44.4 RAS = T-1st best in the NFL

T-1. Jets: 1629 weight/43.4 RAS = T-1st best in the NFL

3. Patriots: 1640 weight/26.4 RAS - T-13th best in the NFL

4. Dolphins: 1587 weight/28.0 RAS - 22nd best in the NFL

AFC North

T-1 Browns: 1570 weight/43.8 RAS = T-8th best in the NFL

T-1 Ravens: 1605 weight/34.0 RAS = T-8th best in the NFL

3. Steelers: 1563 weight/35.1 RAS - 23rd best in the NFL

4. Bengals: 1592 weight/21.1 RAS - 25th best in the NFL

NFC South

1. Falcons: 1545 weight/47.6 RAS = 11th best in the NFL

[Larz]

Breakout unit

AFC South

Texans

LT Laremy Tunsil
LG Kenyon Green
C Juice Scruggs
RG Shaq Mason
RT Tytus Howard

Houston’s line is one of the youngest, most expensive and inexperienced in the league, which typically wouldn’t be a recipe for a breakout. They are led by one of the game’s premier left tackles in Laremy Tunsil, who is on a top of the market deal, a solid counterpart at right tackle in Tytus Howard and recently acquired Shaq Mason (via trade). Mason recently agreed to a new extension with the team. These three represent the foundation of the unit with Mason being a significant upgrade over last year’s primary starter (A.J. Cann). The team was hamstrung last year with arguably the worst starting center in the league in Scott Quessenberry. Rookie Juice Scruggs will be an upgrade at the pivot. Second-year left guard Kenyon Green had an up and down rookie season last year, but he was just 21-years old. Green’s expected ascension is the key to this line reaching its ceiling as a fringe top ten group. Even with only modest improvements from Green, this should be a much improved, middle-of-the-pack unit with upside for more improvement as the season progresses.

AFC West

Chargers

LT Rashawn Slater
LG Zion Johnson
C Corey Linsley
RG Jamaree Salyer
RT Trey Pipkins

Los Angeles ranks 28th in OL spending and has one of the youngest (7th), most athletic (8th in total RAS) offensive lines with a top five left tackle on a rookie deal leading the way in Rashawn Slater. Slater is returning from a season-ending injury suffered in Week 3 of last season, but it’s a torn biceps which carries a much better long-term prognosis for regaining prior form than a serious lower body, neck or back injury. Add in Zion Johnson at left guard to give the team their left side of the future, last year’s sixth-round steal Jamaree Salyer taking Johnson’s place at right guard and ten-year vet Corey Linsley and you have a strong foundation in place. Even RT Trey Pipkins is a relatively young piece coming off his first full season as a capable starter.

AFC East

Jets

LT Duane Brown
LG Laken Tomlinson
C Connor McGovern/Joe Tippmann
RG Alijah Vera-Tucker
RT Mekhi Becton

The Jets offensive line is one of the most interesting collections of talent in the NFL for 2023. They are projected to be old (tied for 1st with New England in combined age with McGovern at center) with tons of experience (most combined starts in the NFL by far), size (3rd heaviest) and athleticism (5th in total RAS)!

The obvious injury risks associated with both starters at tackle makes them such a high variance unit to project for. Duane Brown is an injury risk because he is the oldest starter in the NFL at 38, while Mekhi Becton has only made one start over the last two seasons. But what if those two stay healthy? This unit would have a chance to be one of the most physically imposing in the league.

[Bronx]

Who do you think is replacing Brown on long term basis? We need a reliable backup LT, and right now I only see AVT as that option. 

 

[Larz]

 

AFC East

Jets

LT Duane Brown
LG Laken Tomlinson
C Connor McGovern/Joe Tippmann
RG Alijah Vera-Tucker
RT Mekhi Becton

The Jets offensive line is one of the most interesting collections of talent in the NFL for 2023. They are projected to be old (tied for 1st with New England in combined age with McGovern at center) with tons of experience (most combined starts in the NFL by far), size (3rd heaviest) and athleticism (5th in total RAS)!

The obvious injury risks associated with both starters at tackle makes them such a high variance unit to project for. Duane Brown is an injury risk because he is the oldest starter in the NFL at 38, while Mekhi Becton has only made one start over the last two seasons. But what if those two stay healthy? This unit would have a chance to be one of the most physically imposing in the league.

 

[Larz]

Not a shock to say the line needs Brown and Becton to stay healthy, but the interior of the line is better than I think a lot of fans think 

[Larz]

 

[FidelioJet]

All the numbers in the world aren't going to change an awful Tackle situation into a good one.

The Jets T position right now is easily the biggest concern with the team and should have every fan worried.

[rangerous]

5 hours ago, WeCantDraftGoodQBs said:

Makes sense to have an OL thread because our OL will ultimately determine how our season goes. If our OL stays healthy anything is possible this year. But if we have a repeat of last year with our OL, it's going to be tough for AR to try and get us to the post-season promise land.

Granted a repeat of last season by the oline will be bad in spite of Rodgers but if it’s half as bad then they should have a good season assuming hall, Wilson, Lazard, hardman, et al stay healthy.  And I think this because the defense is going to be set for a stellar season.  There are no real holes, at least ones that can’t be covered by schemes and it looks like the pass rush is going to be great.  And also remember that Rodgers knows how and when to dump the ball so he’s not going to need perfect blocking.

[Sperm Edwards]

The omg'ing is overboard.

• The Bengals were a late hit on Mahomes away from OT in the AFCCG. Their tackles were Jonah Williams and La'el Colins, both of whom would/should have been benched if Cin had any tackle depth to speak of. 
• The Bills are again trotting out Spencer Brown at RT. He's arguably worse than the Jets' 4th string RT, yet they've been SB contenders both of his seasons. Dawkins is fine, though hardly great himself.
• Chiefs' downgraded from Orlando Brown to Donovan Smith and won a Super Bowl with Andrew Wylie at RT, who's been replaced by Jawaan Taylor (as one-dimensional as they get). They did their starting tackles on the very, very cheap: a $3MM LT and a $5MM RT. They should still reach the AFCCG again at worst.
• Jacksonville has the annual injury report known as Cam Robinson at LT, and his 2nd year meh backup (good against garbage, garbage against good) Walker Little starting at RT. 
• Bolts again are starting Trey Pipkins at RT. Slater is great when healthy, and is allegedly 100% so far, but he's coming off a mostly-missed season from a ruptured biceps tendon that's still untested in real action since it's healed.
• In Miami, Terron Armstead is on PUP himself following offseason knee surgery. RT Austin Jackson pretty much missed all of last season (and sucks), and Isaiah Wynn (who's never played a full season himself & missed half of 2022) is also on PUP.
• Last year Seattle trotted out two rookie tackles who were hardly on par with rock-solid veterans. 16 accepted penalties between them; 16 sacks between them; another 12 QB hits; and Cross alone an additional 37 hurries...playoffs. 

While injured, Duane Brown surrendered 1 sack in 12 games (similar/same numbers that had half this board using the term "elite" to describe Fant the prior season). Most of that was with Zach Wilson and his ball-holding that won't apply this year (not just the >3 seconds, but bailing from the pocket in unknown Zach-directions, where individual OLmen with their backs to him have no idea which way they should push/slide because they've no idea where he is nor where he's headed). Brown's still got quick feet (espeically for such a big/heavy man his age), and the shoulder injury that robbed him of power in the run game will be healed.

Opposite him, it's the best of the rest at RT: the winner of a month-long competition rather than forcing a high pick out there due to draft slot, no matter how unready & how badly he's playing (e.g. Evan Neal). Seriously, some here need to really look at others' shitty starting RTs listed above before crying into their pillows about the feared tragedy that awaits.

The line will be fine so long as they aren't again down to starting - at one point - 6th or 7th string tackles, which is too much to ask of any line to succeed. (Fant, Becton, Brown, Mitchell, AVT, Ogbuehi, Remmers); that's on top of 4 different players lining up at RG (AVT, Herbig, Feeney, LDT). Brutal.

 

[FootballLove]

If you poll fans of any team, they'd say their OL could be better and they struggle putting pressure on the opposing QB as their 2 biggest gripes. This is almost universal. 

At least here, we only gripe about our OL which in all honesty could be really good if healthy. Would you wanna try and tackle Breece Hall running behind Becton and AVT? I wouldn't. My only concern durability and LG.

[Larz]

 

[addage]

On 7/27/2023 at 1:09 PM, Bronx said:

Who do you think is replacing Brown on long term basis? We need a reliable backup LT, and right now I only see AVT as that option. 

 

I doubt that player is on the roster!

[Ecuadorian Jet]

People are talking about Dalvin Cook.....how about a veteran T that can play? It is all question marks on most of our tackles.

[bitonti]

10 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

 

• The Bills are again trotting out Spencer Brown at RT. He's arguably worse than the Jets' 4th string RT, yet they've been SB contenders both of his seasons. 

Spencer brown is underrated 

I don't understand why people think he's terrible. He's huge, agile and 25 years old 

He'd be the best rt on this roster, not counting avt 

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

People are talking about Dalvin Cook.....how about a veteran T that can play? It is all question marks on most of our tackles.

There's a reason why linemen get drafted high you simply do not find these guys on the street 

That's how the Jets ended up paying 9 mil to hurt Duane Brown 

Who by the way is the oldest lineman in the league and has played less than Becton this camp 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Spencer brown is underrated 

I don't understand why people think he's terrible. He's huge, agile and 25 years old 

He'd be the best rt on this roster, not counting avt 

He sucks

[Bobby816]

3 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

People are talking about Dalvin Cook.....how about a veteran T that can play? It is all question marks on most of our tackles.

Is that not Duane Brown and Billy Turner?

[Dunnie]

Still not improved

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