Zach Wilson - Every Throw vs Panthers

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[Hael]

It looks kinda like the same thing we've seen now for a couple years.  He mostly makes simple 1 read throws.  Several of those throws have some nice zip on them, and he rolls out with some good suddenness. 

The flipside is that the majority of his balls have accuracy problems, especially the gimme throws.  Many of the completions are actually not where they need to be, and that either exposes the receiver to a big hit, or loses potential YAC b/c of it, and you can see why there are so many drops by the receiver corps as a lot of those balls are hard to catch.

Also he looked better against the Uhaul drivers then the starters. 

[Ecuadorian Jet]

maybe career backup........maybe

[TBJ]

#2 pick

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

3 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

maybe career backup........maybe

Out of the league in 2 years

[Bobby816]

Still isn’t fit to be an NFL starter. But he has a couple years to grow.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

King of the dump-off

[T0mShane]

I think it’s a positive that he’s dumping it off instead of trying to create stuff on his own, but I wish those dump offs were a little more accurate than they are because he’s going to get somebody killed. 

[32EBoozer]

8 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

King of the dump-off

When Rodgers does a dump-off it’s “taking what the defense gives you”.

When Wilson does a dump-off it’s “ King of the dump-offs”

What a fan base!

[TuscanyTile2]

I thought he had only one bad pass today (the screen pass to Bam).  Most of the rest of the throws were short passes so nothing overly exciting.  But those are throws he's had trouble on in the past so I'm going to call today progress.

[Hal]

^^^ this

[GreenFish]

54 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

Still isn’t fit to be an NFL starter. But he has a couple years to grow.

This is how I saw it also. He proved having him as the number 2 is perfectly fine. But he's not a starter yet. Have to hope he develops consistency. If he's consistently hitting the short passes and every now and then popping a deep ball, that's a middle of the pack starter. He'll not a top notch running game to support him though. 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

 

 

Boring painful 

[Hal]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Boring painful 

Good thing the Jets got 4 of these babies this year! 

[UntouchableCrew]

The number of fans praising Wilson for generally doing a below average job hitting one read quick hitters and screen passes in a preseason game is crazy to me. He’s being asked to do the bare minimum and still badly missing and double clutching like 25% of the time.

The one time he tried to push the ball down the field he underthrew an open man for a TD.

He wasn’t awful but like, if this inspires legitimate confidence in you I don’t know what to say.

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, Hal said:

Good thing the Jets got 4 of these babies this year! 

Didn’t watch this one, just watch little bit of Zach 

[Hal]

Just now, The Crusher said:

Didn’t watch this one, just watch little bit of Zach 

I was pregame surfing for an hour getting ready.   Then it started…  run run screen.  

 

The Dline was fun to watch and that was it.  

[T0mShane]

 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

I just watched this finally. I thought he looked fine. Actually pretty encouraged. The one bad overthrow to Bam was the only standout. Thought he actually looked confident and the pass deep to Hardmon was a great throw(looked like PI to me). 

Slow and steady. 

[Grandy]

36 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

I agree with this. We know he has the "arm talent" and can sh*t out a football 50 yards. His great arm makes for some cool flash plays, but that's not what he needs to succeed right now. 

The simple stuff has been his biggest kryptonite. He played a simplistic, almost boring game today. It wasn't flashy, but he was hitting the dinks and dunks he was killing earthworms with last year. And with that, I'm content for now. 

If he keeps progressing and working hard, he's worth the roster spot. Zach is in an interesting situation compared to other comparable busts because of the Rodgers mentorship and a team still interested in salvaging him. It's unlikely he exits the hall of suck, but I'd be a fool to write him off completely. Either way, gonna be fun to watch it unfold. 

[JohnnyLV]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

I just watched this finally. I thought he looked fine. Actually pretty encouraged. The one bad overthrow to Bam was the only standout. Thought he actually looked confident and the pass deep to Hardmon was a great throw(looked like PI to me). 

Slow and steady. 

Zach will never be right in some fans eyes. They hate Zach because he struggles with screens and swing passes and short passing in general, but when he does well at it the criticism is he only completed short passes. We played maybe the most uniformly solid preseason game in a very long time and yet 50% of the game day thread was still Zack bashing.

[Larz]

My tweeter is broken. His accuracy on screen passes was much better.  
 

https://x.com/nyjets_media/status/1690476099178729473?s=46

[pointman]

2 hours ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

King of the dump-off

You definitely don't watch Jet games.

[win4ever]

Things I liked:  

He was decisive on some throws, especially with the roll outs, which seems to indicate he understands some of the basics of the offense.  There were times the last two years, it looked like he didn't actually know beyond the first read.  

He stayed more-so in the pocket than last year, still doesn't stand tall enough, tends to get a bit jittery, but better.  

I liked the 3rd and 4 pass that Brownlee didn't catch.  He was clearly interfered with, but Wilson stood tall in the pocket, stepped into the throw, and it was accurate.  A good QB or WR gets that interference call.  I like the route stem from Brownlee as well, if the CB wasn't interfering, then it creates good separation.  

The pass right before the 2 min warning was also excellent, he stepped up into the throwing lane and had the pass right on the money.  

The TD pass was good, although I wish he actually stepped into it a bit.  

Neither here nor there:

I didn't mind the missed TD pass to Hardman.  The issue was the end zone, that's a pass comes close to hitting Hardman in stride in the middle of the field.  But Hardman has to slow down because he needs to block the defender with his body to make the catch and stay in bounds.  Wilson needs to put more air on that throw to act as a natural barrier (a rainbow throw) so Hardman can maintain his momentum.  There is an open TE on a post route, but his first read is to go from Hardman, and it was open, so I don't blame him for taking the shot.  If he moves on from Hardman, there is no time to get back to him, if the post is covered, since there was a safety in the middle.  I like the read, and I like the the throw for the most part, I don't like the trajectory.  

Things I disliked:  

Pre-snap reads were bad, and they've been horrible in the past too.  The blitz 3rd down, was a perfect pre-snap alert opportunity.  The LB jumped the blitz, perfect time to quickly alert to the blitz, since it's an inside blitz, and then snap.  He didn't, guy ran untouched right up the middle.  

The throw right after the Hardman miss on 1st and 20 was absolute moronic Wilson.  It actually worked out that the throw missed the target by 10 feet, because if it was on target, that might have been a pick 6.  There was no pressure at all, the CB was basically sitting on the out route, especially because Lazard is slow on the outbreak for that route.  He slows down too much and the CB can read it.  Without pressure, this is where Wilson needs to get off the read, and move to secondary options.  Instead, he does his "look at the middle, hold the safety" and fire the pre-determined pass without actually reading the corner.   That was a situation where the seam TE would have had a shot down the field if Wilson comes off the first read.  It wasn't even a read, it was basically "I'm throwing it here anyway" deal.  

The incomplete screen pass on 3rd down is another one from the same tree.  Two defenders to that side, with a WR route and a RB coming out of the backfield.  That has to be a read on the safety, if the safety bites as hard as he did to the RB, you look to the other side.  Your first step back with the ball is the safety, and if he bites, you move to the right side with open options.  If the safety doesn't bite, you play high/low with the WR/RB.  Instead, it's a predetermined throw as soon as he gets the ball.  Again, relatively clean pocket where he had time, but pre-snap read is bad, and he panics.  

There's a quick RB outlet on 2nd and 6, where the RB gets tackled by 3 guys.  Clean pocket, but the timing is ruined on the play.  The two WRs running routes haven't cleared their defender when Wilson makes the throw.  It's a predetermined RB outlet, but because of the timing, there is no chance of success.  The slot CB is blitzing, meaning you have one on one matchups with both WRs on the outside, and your RB is going into the space, probably with a LB mirroring him.  You have to read the WR/CB match up first because that's your runway clearance.  If the CBs run back with the WR, you have a 1 on 1 match up with your RB vs LB.  If the CBs get beat by your WRs, easy TD.  The call vs the defensive play call works here, if you just don't do one thing, and that is showing impatience by throwing the ball early.  I understand in blitz situations, he has to have a hot read but this is a horrible pre-snap read.  

Overall, there seems to be some improvement but it's clearly a work in progress.  He still has a really hard time processing pre-snap reads and that really hurts his post snap decisions at times.  A lot of times I felt like he had his mind made up pre-snap on where to throw.  

 

 

[RevisIsland610]

I thought he was pretty good today. Just in general he looks calmer and more in control. He had a few passes that weren't great but some guys just can't give the guy any credit. I have bashed him plenty but he does look different. Maybe a year or 2 learning from a future HOFer will help him become a solid backup. I'm not sure if he will ever be a starting QB. 

[Ghost420]

Maybe he'll make a serviceable backup at some point. 

[Untouchable]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think it’s a positive that he’s dumping it off instead of trying to create stuff on his own, but I wish those dump offs were a little more accurate than they are because he’s going to get somebody killed. 

This

At least he’s not trying to constantly pirouette out of a clean pocket and throw the ball up for grabs off his back foot.

I noticed multiple plays where he was working his way through his reads instead of locking onto his primary from the jump.

He’s made strides, but he still manages to make the routine look difficult for some reason.

[Warfish]

5 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

 

 

Didn't get to see the game tonight, was at a Nats game in DC (walkoff HR by Ruiz on the first pitch in the bottom of the 9th to win, go Nats!)

So I REALLY appreciate you posting this vid, great way to see how Zach played.

I still see the guy we saw in the past, he is fundamentally an inaccurate thrower of the football, and we saw that alot in this video.  It's hard to see him being a modern 65%+ type NFL QB at this point without serious improvement in his throw accuracy in the future.

[Barkus]

I think Zach showed some progress. Of course still has a ways to go. But he showed something to build on. He was non-functional at the end of the year last year. Hopefully he can continue to improve and be at least a functional back up for the time being.

[Rich Thornburgh]

6 hours ago, Hael said:

It looks kinda like the same thing we've seen now for a couple years.  He mostly makes simple 1 read throws.  Several of those throws have some nice zip on them, and he rolls out with some good suddenness. 

The flipside is that the majority of his balls have accuracy problems, especially the gimme throws.  Many of the completions are actually not where they need to be, and that either exposes the receiver to a big hit, or loses potential YAC b/c of it, and you can see why there are so many drops by the receiver corps as a lot of those balls are hard to catch.

Also he looked better against the Uhaul drivers then the starters. 

This ain’t coastal Carolina pal

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

It’s weird how on any in-breaking route it always seems like there are 2 or 3 defenders in the immediate area converging as the ball arrives.

Must be easy for defenders to read ZW’s eyes  / tendencies.

Hackett did a great job dialing up the simple no-read boot action plays today, but that can’t be the entire passing game.

As a drop back passer being asked to read the entire field (i.e. a real QB) ZW still has a long way to go.

You could say today constitutes “progress” since he’s getting the ball out faster and didn’t dirt any layups. 

The blue tent / hospital balls are a a legit concern.

Baby steps, I guess.

He still doesn’t have any kind of commanding presence out there and ultimately I don’t think his teammates believe in him.

Do they like him and support him?  Yeah probably.  He’s a nice kid.

But the euphoric sycophantism throughout the entire organization over Aaron Rodgers tells you everything you need to know about how they felt with ZW.

There was nothing remotely close to this kind of hysteria when Favre took over on the heels of the Chad era, and Favre was obviously also an all-time great and future HOFer.

[Rich Thornburgh]

3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

It’s weird how on any in-breaking route it always seems like there are 2 or 3 defenders in the immediate area converging as the ball arrives.

Must be easy for defenders to read ZW’s eyes  / tendencies.

Hackett did a great job dialing up the simple no-read boot action plays today, but that can’t be the entire passing game.

As a drop back passer being asked to read the entire field (i.e. a real QB) he has a long way to go.

You could say today constitutes “progress” since he’s getting the ball out faster and didn’t dirt any layups. 

The blue tent / hospital balls are a a legit concern.

Baby steps, I guess.

He still doesn’t have any kind of commanding presence out there and ultimately I don’t think his teammates believe in him.

Do they like him and support him?  Yeah probably.  He’s a nice kid.

But the euphoric sycophantism throughout the entire organization over Aaron Rodgers tells you everything you need to know about how they felt with ZW.

There was nothing remotely close to this kind of hysteria when Favre took over on the heels of the Chad era, and Favre was obviously also an all-time great and future HOFer.

This.

 

Zach telegraphs his throws.  Which is why most of his completions are designed dump off plays that’s the only way to protect him from throwing an INT.

 

But congrats to everyone.  He looked mediocre facing the panthers backups 

[32EBoozer]

@Dunnie only gives these to the posters he loves! 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

First and foremost, it's preseason, you really cant put stock into any performance from this garbage (lets remember how he looked as a rookie in the preseason) but I will give  him this, his drop backs and footwork isnt near as sloppy as it's been.  Way more precise on hitting the back foot w/ the right steps and not continuing to fade or drift.  

Progress?  Who knows, it's meaningless. 

[Matt39]

38 minutes ago, JiF said:

First and foremost, it's preseason, you really cant put stock into any performance from this garbage (lets remember how he looked as a rookie in the preseason) but I will give  him this, his drop backs and footwork isnt near as sloppy as it's been.  Way more precise on hitting the back foot w/ the right steps and not continuing to fade or drift.  

Progress?  Who knows, it's meaningless. 

He barely played in the preseason as a rookie. I’m happy they finally let him play but it’s clear he’s doing everything with training wheels. He was the second pick in the draft and gives you nothing that would indicate that.